Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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If they sell for <$12-1300, I would say they will be big hitters. A marked increase in cost over the XTR2 for a (presumed) marked increase in performance over the XTR2. That, I could justify.
If they actually try to sell them for $17-1800, they’ll fizzle out like the DMR Pro. Thanks but hard pass.
Unless something has changed since the whole Leupold debacle then it's 80% by count to be labeled made in USA. There's WAAYYY more pieces in the erector assembly, springs, screws, and everything else in an optic than lenses. So what else is coming from over seas and where is it coming from?
Hopefully not from Nunya like Premier, that didn't turn out so well.
I hope they source quality parts and it turns out great because the market needs more reliable optics, I'm just always leery of where the parts come from and for good reason.
DT, that is an impressive amount of mils with a 100y zero!
How about the length, I don't think I've seen that spec, looks shorter than the 4-20.
Obviously the glass is "300% better than the original XTR2" is subjective, but encouraging to hear from someone who has a lot of time with the XTR2 4-20's. Also encouraging to hear that CA may be better controlled in the XTR3, it was an issue in the XTR2 but to be expected at that price point, if this truly does come in at $1500 or more, the expectation would be much better CA control.
The scope looks great, I really like that package, I wonder if I travel up to Greeley if they'll let me play with one, any strings you can pull @GeoffatBurris ?
PS - not sure that bubble level location is going to be very effective when you're behind the scope
Looks nice. I can't wait to see the street price. I really like my XTR-II and this looks like a great step up.
Depending on price, I have to think an XTR3 would start taking over some of the T5Xi market share... makes me wonder if that will go away or if Steiner will come out with an improved version of the Tactical series as well (a la M7Xi).
Steiner/Burris has always kinda seemed like the Lexus/Toyota kinda deal so I’m interested to see how this will fit into the product lineup and if it puts others at risk.
Steiner/Burris has always kinda seemed like the Lexus/Toyota kinda deal so I’m interested to see how this will fit into the product lineup and if it puts others at risk.
Quick side note:
Watching Dorgan kick ass with a 308 and burris xtr2 @ the JC steel match a couple weeks ago was AWESOME! Burris has a good dude endorsing their product, excited to see this take off.
Watching Dorgan kick ass with a 308 and burris xtr2 @ the JC steel match a couple weeks ago was AWESOME! Burris has a good dude endorsing their product, excited to see this take off.
It is a matter of QC by the ordering company more than anything else. You can get very high quality mechanical components out of Phillipines, China, Japan, etc.
ILya
I'd agree, IF it has an illuminated reticle and the 3.3-18 stays under 28 oz.
The country of origin is irrelevant to quality. The vendor's quality systems, manufacturing systems, tools, equipment, and most importantly it's culture determine the quality of its products.
People forget that these other countries are designing and building aircraft, precision manufacturing equipment, etc. It's not that they CAN'T make quality stuff. Rather, it's that often, from an American standpoint, we're not asking them to. We're going to them to cut corners and make it cheaper due to lower labor costs. They're fully capable of manufacturing to pretty darn good tolerances and quality.
I'm excited to see the reticle in this one. These, and the new NF reticle, definitely have me excited for SHOT. Still looking forward to ZCO as well of course. It's a great time to be in the PR world!
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I really like my XTR II on my 6.5 creed and have no problems seeing out to 1k yards. This looks like it has some nice upgrades but the design really looks like the bushy DMR II. I bought a couple of the LRHSi on the Gap deal and for the money they are really hard to beat right now....
Everywhere I have ever lived I have allways tried to support and buy from local companies, in Texas it was Larue and a few others, in Arkansas it was Wilson Combat and Choat machine and tool and now that I'm in Colorado I foresee a road trip in my future to Greely Colorado.
That sounds like they really did listen and learn from the short comings of the XTR II. A nod of respect, they deserve.
What's the eta on the illuminated version? Interested in this as a LR hunting scope. The Mark 5 would be great but I'm not paying 500 more for illumination.
Dang, that kinda sucks on the price.
Count me in the group that is of the "if this is $1500+ street price for the high mag version, I'm probably out" opinion. I don't expect a next-gen XTR to compete with a razor gen 2. But of course, that's based on the enormous performance gap between the XTR2 and Rz G2 right now. If the XTR3 completely closes that gap, then there's no reason it wouldn't be popular at a similar price point as the razor G2.
IMHO, Burris should avoid a repeat of the T5xi where it was completely non-competitive glass-wise at it's initial price point (ignoring the tracking issues as I assume they've learned that lesson). It's just not great business IMHO to release something that has to be heavily discounted for the performance to match the price.
Count me in the group that is of the "if this is $1500+ street price for the high mag version, I'm probably out" opinion. I don't expect a next-gen XTR to compete with a razor gen 2. But of course, that's based on the enormous performance gap between the XTR2 and Rz G2 right now. If the XTR3 completely closes that gap, then there's no reason it wouldn't be popular at a similar price point as the razor G2.
IMHO, Burris should avoid a repeat of the T5xi where it was completely non-competitive glass-wise at it's initial price point (ignoring the tracking issues as I assume they've learned that lesson). It's just not great business IMHO to release something that has to be heavily discounted for the performance to match the price.
Nice. This will be a good fit for my 18" Grendel.
It's interesting these are going to be 6x since the new Steiner is 7x. I'm curious if we'll see another Steiner M7Xi model.
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I foresee a trip to Greely in the next couple of weeks. I want to see that scope being built.
Ilya
Ilya
Wishing for the new and improved XTR III to be at the old XTR II price point is hilarious to me. Maybe right before the XTR4 or whatever comes out the XTR III will be down there.
Before we get to the point of me asking to take some videos, I first need to convince them to let me into the building. As it were, I have some work reasons to swing by Denver in a couple of weeks, so I will try to visit Burris while I am at it.
I like XTR II scopes (especially the lower mag ones), and I know that they have been working on XTR III for some time so I am exceedingly curious.
ILya
XTRII 5-25 is around $900 new, right? I don't think anyone has an issue with $1200-$1300 (potentially a 40% price increase) if the performance is significantly improved. But it would have to be a truly major advancement to justify nearly doubling the price. Of course, nobody knows how much better the performance will be, so trying to justify the price versus performance at this point is futile. My only thought was that if its twice as good as the XTRII and will target an entirely different price point, they should have given it an entirely new lineup name. But who cares - hopefully it's an awesome scope and dirt cheap.
Go start a new thread where you can be appropriately flamed for your baseless and trolling comments.
Sincerely,
Someone who’s owned one...
Own a gen 2 razor and an XTR II (in fact, purchased here from Dorgan). At a similar price point, will probably purchase a second Razor Gen II. But I do wish they were not such a power pole atop the rifle! If the XTR III closes that gap … maybe. The tracking is stellar on both.
I think regular prices for the higher magnification XTR II scopes are in the $1050 to $1300 range. I am not sure how going up to $1600-$1700 is doubling.
As as the price for the XTR III goes, I do not think there is any sense in speculating what it should cost until we know how good it is, i.e. what its direct competition in terms of performance is.
If it ends up costing around $1600-$1700 it is up against Athlon Cronus and Delta Stryker, for example, but then it also has to be better than the less expensive Athlon Ares ETR and PST Gen 2.
ILya
$1,500-$1,600 for a predominately USA made scope, where the predecessor's internals are known to be great, that is now potentially lighter, shorter, more travel, better reticle, better glass - I'm in!
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Im lolling people wanting S&B scope for SWFA prices. Come on now peeps!!
(not that im not in that boat a little haha)
Not gonna lie tho...I am most excited about the USA part. Hope they don't fek it up tho. My Steiner T5 3-15 is a pretty solid little scope and it was made in Greeley. WOnder if they are still going to be made there also...
DT
I absolutely love the design of the knurling, the devil is in the details.
This is my number 1 optic I’m most interested in for 2019. I’ve owned SB, Minox, Kahles... all great but I don’t like paying $2500 per optic. The older I get, the more my optics get switched out to more fiscally responsible options.
I thought I had seen them for <$1000. Must have been wrong. If so, anything >$1500 would have been near double or full on double cost.
I agree there's no need to speculate on value until performance has been assessed.
Just a regular SCR in the one he has. It's already been stated at least twice that the tree reticle isn't available for public release yet.
You're in
Looks like we wont be needing a 3-18 Vortex AMG after all.
I'm hoping this is just the first of many new scopes in line for 2019, might be the year I finally get all my rifles glass that I'm 100% content with.
My thoughts exactly. I've been wanting a 3-18amg to come out for a while. With the FOV the 3.3-18 is putting out, a 4-20 would have been nice.
I agree FOV is often overlooked and one of the most important features of a scope. However for competition and paper/steel ranges anything under 6x is totally useless. I’ve never gone below 9-10x in a PRS match. The reticle becomes different to use for holds at the lower end.
When hunting comes into play and a deer is 25 yards away that low end becomes crucial. A shorter 20” 6.5 creed with this 3.3-18 scope in a lightweight setup would be an awesome whitetail rig for my areas I hunt.
Now that this is out, and the XTRII is such a piece of shit, you guys replacing them with the XTR III should just give me your old junk 4-20 SCR MIL please. I will dispose of it properly.
I just wouldn't feel right about myself unless I offered out of the goodness of my heart to help you with such a grueling task.
i too think i could dispose of some of these out in the aussie outback, do send me your junk we have much room
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