That line of thinking left manufacturing in the 90s..........
Nobody who excels at manufacturing today believes that.
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Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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Nobody who excels at manufacturing today believes that.
well it tracks good. fov is awesome and i absolutely love the knobs/ticks. heading home. better review later.
day one i dropped 40 shots and was about to ditch the scope. had a come to jesus with my rifle and day 2 i dropped 4. ends up i just suck at shooting in 8-30 mph switchy texas winds. day 2 winds were a mild 2-6mph. that 3-oh-H8 life.
DT
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Looking forward to your thoughts!
Congratulations on your win in the Tac division. You and the 3-oh-H8 kicked ass this year!
Congratulations on your win in the Tac division. You and the 3-oh-H8 kicked ass this year!
So with this bad boy coming out, it’s really got me thinking of just waiting. Was looking hard at the LRTS Bushy, but now it’s a second guess. Seems like a lot of scope for the money, just will have to wait and see.
I'm not going to further sideline the thread. All I will say is that I have 23 years in mfg across several quality-critical industries that says you're not on the same wavelength as everyone who matters is today.
much appreciatedput in a word for me will you our aussie rep is enquiring on my behalf at the moment i was umming and ahhing about what scope the xtr2 was top of the list and i want this so bad its not funny it ticks all my boxes haha xD
The official response is that the Enhanced SCR will make it's way into the XTR II. But it most likely will not be in 2019.
The folks in Greeley have a pretty full plate already for 2019.
Quick update: I am all set to go visit Burris next week. I'll take pictures and videos where appropriate and pick their brains the best I can.
Stay tuned.
ILya
Stay tuned.
ILya
It matters who makes the components. It does not matter all that much which continent they are made on since you can find reasonably competent OEMs on all of them (within limits).
ILya
Product quality is not a function of after the fact inspection or "QC". It's a function of the design and manufacturing process. It starts at APQP phase 1 and goes from there.
I don't know what you do for a living but this is what I do. Unless we're in the same profession, I doubt you know more about this than I do.
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Also just realized from the picture DT provided, the scope looks much more like a dark gray with a better matte finish than the XTR II, the II has a shinier finish where the III looks much less reflective which is nice IMO. Reminds me a bit of the AMG finish if I remember right.
I agree patriot, by calling this an XTRIII it just muddies the waters, they should have come out with a new name which would really differentiate the "quality" between the XTR II and price point. It is what it is and Burris will do what it wants to do and in the end we'll live with it, but with all the upgrades that Birddog mentions, a new name/model line would have helped it, or at least XTR Pro.
I told Vortex they need to focus on an AMG shorty in the 3-18/4-20 range back when they announced the 6-24, I know Vortex has something in the works but doubt it will be released in 2019 and no guarantee it will be greater than the 4x erector the AMG currently uses.
Not sure why you're arguing over this, you are just speculating that the manufacturer won't allow pics/video of what goes on inside; however, Vortex allowed Frank to just this with their AMG division a few years ago, so while it may not be the norm it doesn't mean it won't ever happen.
Finally, @Birddog6424 , you mention the XTRIII line has 7x erectors but the magnification range does not reflect this, so are you saying Burris cut down on the full range of the erector to provide a better image instead of maxing out what the erector would allow?
You're in
Are you kidding me, if the IQ of the XTRIII proves to live up to what @Birddog6424 and @D_TROS have been saying, this may be "the" scope I've been looking for, especially with the new tree reticle. I've always been impressed with Burris/Steiner turrets so I have no doubt this thing will track and have great feel, but I got burned with the early releases of the T5Xi and XTR II 4-20 so while I'm thrilled to hear about this release it would be very difficult for me to be another early adopter on this. Once initial reviews come out and this thing proves to be a winner, I'll wait for it to show up on Experticity and then give it a go and review compared to the Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44 and the Kahles K318i. I've also been waiting for the ZCO ZC420 but at this point it seems like the Burris might be hitting the streets before the ZCO does, but I'm only interested in the illuminated version which sounds like will take into next summer/fall before we see those. Sounds like the XTR III is Burris' answer to the Vortex AMG series and while it doesn't have a complete "made in the USA" tag it sounds like "mostly made in the USA" is fitting. Asian glass has proved to be very competitive with German glass of late and if Burris nailed the multicoatings and is getting a good warm to neutral image with low CA and high resolution, well count me in, in fact, this could replace a number of my scopes if it lives up to what's been said so far.
Yet products made in Asian countries are generally of the lowest quality when compared with products made accross the rest of the world particularly the 1st world but I'm sure the Burris is different. ?
You can’t inspect quality into a product.
I concur. All indications are Burris has learned from mistakes made & will hit this out of the park, but I want to see some field reviews once they’re out.
@wjm308 , I’m curouis, what makes this look like “the one” for you?
Made in China, Americans buy every one they can
Yep, total piece of shit compared to German stuff
Ahhh, this thread will be so much better without the Negative Nancy that's been plaguing the forums the last few days! Puttin' the ol' ignore button to use finally!
Hearing that the weight has been brought down on these is great news! Ol' Frank's gonna be a busy man next year! And @koshkin , do share what you can after your visit. I always enjoy reading your point of view and insights. Lots of good stuff coming soon!
Hearing that the weight has been brought down on these is great news! Ol' Frank's gonna be a busy man next year! And @koshkin , do share what you can after your visit. I always enjoy reading your point of view and insights. Lots of good stuff coming soon!
Ahhh, this thread will be so much better without the Negative Nancy that's been plaguing the forums the last few days! Puttin' the ol' ignore button to use finally!
Hearing that the weight has been brought down on these is great news! Ol' Frank's gonna be a busy man next year! And @koshkin , do share what you can after your visit. I always enjoy reading your point of view and insights. Lots of good stuff coming soon!
agreed, im a big fan of asian products being from australia, obsessed with anything japanese and korean,if people think the japanese cant keep up with the rest of the modern world theyre dreaming... korean engineering is definately on par etc etc
As much as I hate to agree with him (I still remember the thread that got him banned), He's absolutely right here. I work QA for aviation and we put little value in post inspection. For any confidence calculations, we give a "good" inspection method only an 80% chance of catching defects.
Yes, that's exactly what they did Bill. These scopes have 7x erectors. The 30x scope they are releasing could have easily been run all the way to 35x.
How many times have we heard that Brand X scope "looks pretty good, until you get over X magnification, then the glass quality/eyebox quality diminishes".
Burris made a decision to not utilize the full length of travel of the erector system and potentially compromise the quality of the sight picture and eyebox. I think the eyebox and the glass were the two most often mentioned detriments of the XTR II, and the decision makers in Greeley are determined to overcome all the weaknesses of that scope line and bring a solid, well-rounded, well-liked scope to market.
There are several kinds of "bests".. When you think of the best scope out there, you think of the big hitters like TT and S&B. But there are also the best scopes in their price point. And that's what makes the XTR II so successful. It's a solid scope at its price point.
The XTR III is moving into a new price point. And the goal is to be the best scope and a solid choice for scope buyers at that price point.
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LOL. I didn't hear anyone crying when they named the XTRII and didn't differentiate from the XTR.
Not to derail too much, but is the rumor Jim See DQ'ed himself after winning the Tac Division true?
It certainly appears that way.
Based on his description of events it makes zero sense that he did that. But that's his choice.
Nice to see the trophy(s) go to Dorgan.
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Like Winny I don't want to derail the thread. But in a nutshell it appears that he had position and cheek weld on his rifle, was looking through his scope, and upon moving his rifle, bumped the barricade and accidentally discharged his weapon, missing the target by two feet.
He discussed it with the RO, who thought it was a non-issue. But Jim thought otherwise. He finished the match then asked the MD to remove him.
After having read this thread, I’m very much looking forward to getting my paws on the 18x scope! That huge FOV will be tits! I really liked the turrets (audible/tactile and perfect tracking) on my 4-20 XTR2 that I had, but my only issue with it and the 2 T5XI’s was the damn CA. Hearing that they have addressed this for the XTR3 is great news! I’m already planning another upper build for a spare lower receiver I have that will be sporting one of the XTR3 3.3-18 scopes, for when they do come out.
As others have mentioned, this is a fine time for good optics and precision shooting!!!
As others have mentioned, this is a fine time for good optics and precision shooting!!!
Integrity in spades right there!
After hunting season I'm going to pick up a new optic in the sub $1600 range. At the moment I'm leaning towards the Cronus but the new XTRIII sounds very interesting. Excited to learn more, thanks for the updates!
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This right here is what has my attention the most regarding this scope. It drives me nuts to spend a large sum of money (too me anyway) on a scope, have it be the cats ass in terms of reliability/tracking/turrets and not be able to use the last two powers of magnification due to darkening/too tight of an eyebox/etc.
Sorry fellas, work has been killing me. HAvnt even unpacked my rifle yet. Still pretty excited about winning the Top Tac. SOme darn tough competition I feel very proud to have beat. There were over 50 darn good invite only open shooters that didn't beat this poor little 3-0h-H8!!
I don't get involved in drama. I wont comment on what happened. I don't do pity parties. If you would like to start a separate thread about how you can win a match by DQ'ing, feel free to do so. Dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Tough call. I loved everything about my GenII other than the lame locking knobs that I would accidentally lock almost every time I dialed (reason I sold), and that it weighed 4 lbs. You def cant make a wrong choice here. Ive only seen a couple Gen II's go down and they have great glass.
As mentioned, its a good time to be a scope purchaser!!
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3-18
13" and 28 ozs
5-30
15" and 33 ozs
Regards
DT
I don't get involved in drama. I wont comment on what happened. I don't do pity parties. If you would like to start a separate thread about how you can win a match by DQ'ing, feel free to do so. Dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Tough call. I loved everything about my GenII other than the lame locking knobs that I would accidentally lock almost every time I dialed (reason I sold), and that it weighed 4 lbs. You def cant make a wrong choice here. Ive only seen a couple Gen II's go down and they have great glass.
As mentioned, its a good time to be a scope purchaser!!
Some more details
3-18
13" and 28 ozs
5-30
15" and 33 ozs
Regards
DT
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My initial thought was to go with the 3-18 because of hunting and wanting a wide FOV on low power, but if the FOV on the low end of the 5-30 is good as I am hearing then stepping up to a 5-30 is a no brainer. Either way I won't be in the early adopter camp because I find illum worth it when hunting with a FFP scope on lowest power at dawn and dusk and I can wait until summer '19 for the illum models to roll out. Wonder if they will have to increase the reticle thickness to add the illumination.
Well he did say Asia as far as th glass sourcing. Big difference between chicoms/LBFMs and Japan.
Going to assume its not Japanese glass due to calling it Asian. That is not promising , especially when comparable priced optics are coming from LOW and are a proven quality.
It never occurred to me that using the word Asia instead of Japan would lead to the assumption that the glass is sourced somewhere other than Japan. It was already discussed on the first page that the glass is from Japan. Though I understand it's a long thread and reaching the point where everyone isnt reading it through.
Burris already has a relationship with LOW. They make our 1-8 XTR II, as well as our spotting scopes and binoculars.
Yea sorry I missed that. Im used to subtle marketing where words mean things and watch everyday how people try to market a skill or product without outright lying. If the glass truly is that much better, it makes the Burris an option IMO. The problem is, at the price point shown here, there are already some pretty good contenders. I can buy a Gen 2 razor 4-27x right now for the same as the MAP price so they are going to need to drop the price down to the 11-200 range to be a better value. You then have the Cronus and XRS 2/DMR 2 PRO which are most likely better quality optics. USmade Steiners / Burris don't lend alot of confidence based on their short history. They truly fucked up the T5Xrollout and doubled down with poor management decisions. I don't forget as easily as others. Just my opinion.
With that being said, I hope the XTR 3 is a good scope. Looking forward to seeing the reticle and maybe the Pro pricing will put it closer to where I think its value will be. if it is, I may even buy one.
Cheers.
With that being said, I hope the XTR 3 is a good scope. Looking forward to seeing the reticle and maybe the Pro pricing will put it closer to where I think its value will be. if it is, I may even buy one.
Cheers.
Ideally, I think the plan is that the scope is of sufficient quality and value that it competes well with other scopes in its price point.
You'll have to go easy on them if they decide they aren't going to start slashing the price on it just yet
You'll have to go easy on them if they decide they aren't going to start slashing the price on it just yet
Ok....where the fuck are people buying gen ii razors for anywhere close to the price that these xtr iii are going to be? Am i missing something obvious? People keep saying stuff like, "why would i buy one of these when i could buy a gen ii razor?" It's going to be at least a $500 difference, right? Maybe more? To me, these are going to hit in a place price wise where there isn't much out there. I ain't rich, but i ain't poor either, and to me there is going to be a big enough price difference to be significant.
My guess is Mil or LEO discount, best price I've ever seen to the average Joe is 1900.
