Looks like Valier...Watch out for Grizzlies! I shot the s3 the last 3 years, but had to miss it this year, I heard Sunday was fairly rugged. Would love to check out that scope, you doin any more shoots in MT?
Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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"The White Knuckler" by MDT... Joking on the name but it looks like an MDT ACC grip or a very good clone!
It was at Valier. Beautiful country. S3 was VERY brutal on sunday. We got screwed on a stage that the snow wouldn't allow our RF to work so we had to straight up guess distances. We would have milled them, but the RO didn't know the size of them.
This the last MT match till possibly the RTC finale wherever that is.
My friend is 3D printing them (OBi). It isn't close to the MDT other than the mounting method. It is very large to mimic almost a fiberglass stock like a Manners. 100% better than the skinny weird MDT one.
and its actually glow in the dark filament! ha
Regards,
DT
Scope still tracking good. took 2nd this weekend. was an awesome time.
Further review: this is first time ive noticed any CA mostly due some bright sun and white objects. there was some faint yellow/green fringing at high power. went away under 30x but just wanted to point that out. super weird. i did expect some abbarations at max power but that is about the only down i have found which is surprising for this price pt. this is a prototype before glass was finalized so maybe they fixed it. just letting you know my impressions.
compared to my Bushnell elite tact 4-30 its fov is 2 mils larger and at least as good glass if not better. again this is a prototype so eagerly awaiting production models.
my shooting pard shoots a tangent theta and he is impressed so thats sayin alot. this match had A TON of mirage and i think i was able to see targets as well as him. no im not comparing it optically to a TT thats silly but it gibe it one heck of a go. i did conpare to his TT and the TT was noticable better optically. about the same jump as the XTR3 is over the XTR2 so thats good.
i think the hide is going to love this thing
Regards
DT
Further review: this is first time ive noticed any CA mostly due some bright sun and white objects. there was some faint yellow/green fringing at high power. went away under 30x but just wanted to point that out. super weird. i did expect some abbarations at max power but that is about the only down i have found which is surprising for this price pt. this is a prototype before glass was finalized so maybe they fixed it. just letting you know my impressions.
compared to my Bushnell elite tact 4-30 its fov is 2 mils larger and at least as good glass if not better. again this is a prototype so eagerly awaiting production models.
my shooting pard shoots a tangent theta and he is impressed so thats sayin alot. this match had A TON of mirage and i think i was able to see targets as well as him. no im not comparing it optically to a TT thats silly but it gibe it one heck of a go. i did conpare to his TT and the TT was noticable better optically. about the same jump as the XTR3 is over the XTR2 so thats good.
i think the hide is going to love this thing
Regards
DT
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Burris currently has my XTRii in their possession on warranty work... Sure would be nice if they'd offer me a discounted XTRiii if they can't fix my XTRii haha.
Kifaru Express with AL stays. Ive packed 70 lbs in it during training runs. They stopped making them awhile ago. Ive had it since 2012. Love it, but its a little big for a day bag. I think it is right at 2000cu in. Love it tho. Just need something with more organization...
GL
DT
One of these days, someone will design a pack specifically for PRS comps. A compartment for (2) 100 round MTM boxes, kestrel pouch, pen holders on the outside, rangefinder and bino compartments, pocket for heavy bag, misc clamp/accessories pocket, and cell phone and keys pouch.
Key is that all of it can be accessed easily while back is lying flat. Something like a camera backpack with dividers that are both semi customizable and sturdy enough for the type of weight we run.
I'm gonna look at some of the Kifarus. Thanks!
Subwrx300 check out the Eberlestock Upranger pack. It is everything you just described and more. The whole top flap opens up to a custom divider setup, with a hard bottom so you can set it everwhere but still not get your back dirty. It was originally designed for 3-gun type stuff in mind but it works amazing for PRS as well! Best of all made right here in Boise, ID.
UpRanger
Inspired by a champion 3-Gunner who didn’t like the normal sequence of dismounting a pack face-down, then rolling the straps into the dirt so that you can get your stuff out, the R3 UpRanger changes the game. Load it up, heavy. Add one or two Sidewinder gun cases (ERM or ESM), all your ammo, and...
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Quick update: I expect to have XTR III 3.3-18x50 in my possession some time in the next few days. It will be very interesting to go and test it out. I have great hopes for this optic.
In unrelated news, it sounds like Burris wrapped up with the legal vetting of their tree reticle design, so we should see updated drawings on their website shortly. If they send me anything, I'll post it here.
ILya
In unrelated news, it sounds like Burris wrapped up with the legal vetting of their tree reticle design, so we should see updated drawings on their website shortly. If they send me anything, I'll post it here.
ILya
Damn! That is sooooo close to what I want! It looks like it has some serious volume and strong. The poly back is a cool idea for sure!Subwrx300 check out the Eberlestock Upranger pack. It is everything you just described and more. The whole top flap opens up to a custom divider setup, with a hard bottom so you can set it everwhere but still not get your back dirty. It was originally designed for 3-gun type stuff in mind but it works amazing for PRS as well! Best of all made right here in Boise, ID.
UpRanger
Inspired by a champion 3-Gunner who didn’t like the normal sequence of dismounting a pack face-down, then rolling the straps into the dirt so that you can get your stuff out, the R3 UpRanger changes the game. Load it up, heavy. Add one or two Sidewinder gun cases (ERM or ESM), all your ammo, and...
I'm going to put that on the short list for possible fall buys. Super slick!
Just want to say thanks for all of your information, @koshkin . I read your blog and you have saved me a lot of wasted time, effort, and money in my choice of scopes. I hope you know how much this is appreciated! Looking forward to your review of the XTR III.
I am so close to pulling the trigger on a Vortex Razor HD Gen2 EBR-7c... the ONLY thing stopping me is the coming Burris XTR3. I had the opportunity to peak through RJ's 3.3-18x in Raton a couple months ago side-by-side with my XTR2 3-15x. The reticles were both SCR mil but the XTR3 was crisper, cleaner, clearer. The glass on the XTR3 seemed brighter and somehow more colorful too. All in all it is an improvement over the XTR2 but is it enough of an improvement? Hell yes it is. The unavailability is the only issue obviously.. I managed a measly 46 targets with my XTR2 and a tie for 3rd, I just know if I had the XTR3 I would have won...… kidding lol 
Patiently waiting for the SCR2 reticle and trying to decide if the RaceDial is really something I need. The one I saw had it and it was pretty nifty.
Patiently waiting for the SCR2 reticle and trying to decide if the RaceDial is really something I need. The one I saw had it and it was pretty nifty.
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Nice, I am greatly anticipating to hear your thoughts of a production model you can run through the Koshkin Gauntlet
Midway estimates on their website to be available end of September?
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Burris Xtreme Tactical XTR 3 Rifle Scope 34mm Tube 5.5-30x 56mm Side
The XTR III line of riflescopes feature enhanced reticle designs and field-of-view. Inspired by tactical and competition shooting, precision and...
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Midway estimates on their website to be available end of September?
Burris Xtreme Tactical XTR 3 Rifle Scope 34mm Tube 5.5-30x 56mm Side
The XTR III line of riflescopes feature enhanced reticle designs and field-of-view. Inspired by tactical and competition shooting, precision and...
FFS
If the glass is as crappy as the II I will stick with my razor. I started the season with a XTR II 5x25 and at the first match had a problem seeing targets. I asked my son if he could see the targets clear at 1000 with his Vortex amg he said he could see the hits. Maybe I had a bad one but there’s just to many options to out there I stick with vortex and Nightforce
It would have to be four times better the XTR II I had didn’t even compare to my current Razor 7c. I realize there not in the same price range but there close. I would also say the Argos BTR I just purchased on sale has considerably better glass. Like I said it seems like a lot of people like them so maybe I had a bad one or maybe they haven’t looked through good glass.
Could be I’m not trying to bash Burris I’ve had some good clear hunting scopes from them but I won’t buy another match scope from them. I think I have only seen one or two at all the matches I’ve been at Vortex and Khales dominate. I might look through someone’s Burris III someday and be suprised.
I think you will see this change a little. Although it will be a slow process as people will take a long time to except Burris can make scope to compete at the pointy end of prs. I'm happily selling my gen 2 razor to use an xtr 3
I liked everything else about the scope. The turrets were good it had my favorite zero stop. I hate zeroing Vortex. Some might prefer the Christmas tree recticle of the 7c but I rarely use it. I guess if the glass is better you might see one on one of my 5 PRS rifles one day. I haven’t heard much about there customer service Vortex has the best in the business and I can say I lost a Nightforce scope screw and they fed ex next day me a whole set.
Guess I should have sent it in because I couldn’t see plates at 400 yards
I’m not arguing with you I’m just stating what I see. I will guarantee out of 70 people in a MO match you might see one. I personally know another guy that considered the NF SHV 14 power a step up because of glass guailty. Maybe the airs clearer where you shoot but Vortex and Khales are staples here.
I'd say so. You may have had one of the earlier ones that the glass was terrible. I shot a guys rifle who was having trouble at my first prs match. It turned out his rings were loose and I shot about 30 rounds to figure that out and then zero it. The glass was so bad that I had to get him to spot using my rifle because I couldn't see the bullet holes at 100 meters. I became the biggest Burris basher ever after that. 6 months later after having 3 scopes fail on me Burris gave me an xtr 2 to try. The glass was light and day different. I'm still using that scope 12 months. They aren't a top tier scope but to me they are more rugged than anything else in the price range and the glass and turrets are equal to similar price scopes
I don't know what price range there in I paid $900 for mine and more than twice that for my vortex and Nightforce scopes. When your on the clock I guarantee you will be able to tell the difference between a Vortex Razor Gen II and a Burris just because of the the clarity and field of view. I can turn mine up to 20 power without a problem on stages with multiple targets because it has a wider field of view and it's easier to see the targets but you get what you pay for.
@bschneiderheinze Your not wrong. The first gen XTRII’s has terrible glass. I had one of the very first 8-40’s and I couldn’t see my holes at 300yrds the glass was so ‘dirty’.
Sold it right away and bought a 5-25 thinking it would be much better. It was just as bad.
I haven’t even touched one since, so I have no idea if they improved.
I’m excited about the III, but I think pricepoint is an issue for me. Non Illuminated for $2k. I can think of half a dozen other scopes I’d try first for that price.
I will wait till they actually drop to form a complete opinion on the 3, but I just don’t see this scope running rings around a Vortex G2 Razor. My 2c
Sold it right away and bought a 5-25 thinking it would be much better. It was just as bad.
I haven’t even touched one since, so I have no idea if they improved.
I’m excited about the III, but I think pricepoint is an issue for me. Non Illuminated for $2k. I can think of half a dozen other scopes I’d try first for that price.
I will wait till they actually drop to form a complete opinion on the 3, but I just don’t see this scope running rings around a Vortex G2 Razor. My 2c
Jeezo I walk away for 5 min and the haters come out. LOL.
Its been spelled out pretty well the shortcomings of the first XTRII that were released (spotty glass and 8 mil knobs). This thread IS NOT for that purpose. There are literally a dozen other threads hashing that out.
Its also been pretty well hashed out the newer ones are very impressive. I mean how else could I have got a top 5 in a PRS match with over 120 people (day 2 in rainy snowy conditions as well), shooting a 308 none the less!! lol (first and only top 5 ever with a 308 btw in any major major open match...yes that's an XTR2
Stay on topic fellas!
BUT that being said, I love when people forget price pt. The XTR2 are what, $900 now? Comparing to a $2500 Kahles or NF? Really? lol stop it. That's a joke. Noone ever said the XTR2 glass was top tier. (even tho I trust the XTR2 mechanics more than the Kahles by a long shot but I digress)
Pertaining to the XTR3, no one said, again, that the XTR3 will run circles around any scope (other than maybe the XTR2 lol) There are not any production models in the wild yet. Eagerly awaiting the review from Koshkin for sure.
My prototype...everyone who has looked through it has been impressed...
Ive used it in 5 matches and 2 8-man team matches...
PRS Finale -- Tac Class - 1st overall
GA Bushnell Elite - 1st Division and 1st overall
OK 8-man team match - 4th
Karstetter Memorial - 4th
WA 8 man team match - 1st
S3 - 6th (this is the only match I want a do over. we were on a stage when the snow came in and it was a blind stage we had to range targets and the RF would not range. so we asked RO's the size of the targets so we could retc range and they didn't know. Regardless to say it was our low score of the match. dang dang.)
Warhorse - 2nd
So its been pretty solid... I think the peanut gallery will be impressed. I sure am. a peanut I mean. lol.
Regards,
DT
Its been spelled out pretty well the shortcomings of the first XTRII that were released (spotty glass and 8 mil knobs). This thread IS NOT for that purpose. There are literally a dozen other threads hashing that out.
Its also been pretty well hashed out the newer ones are very impressive. I mean how else could I have got a top 5 in a PRS match with over 120 people (day 2 in rainy snowy conditions as well), shooting a 308 none the less!! lol (first and only top 5 ever with a 308 btw in any major major open match...yes that's an XTR2
Stay on topic fellas!
BUT that being said, I love when people forget price pt. The XTR2 are what, $900 now? Comparing to a $2500 Kahles or NF? Really? lol stop it. That's a joke. Noone ever said the XTR2 glass was top tier. (even tho I trust the XTR2 mechanics more than the Kahles by a long shot but I digress)
Pertaining to the XTR3, no one said, again, that the XTR3 will run circles around any scope (other than maybe the XTR2 lol) There are not any production models in the wild yet. Eagerly awaiting the review from Koshkin for sure.
My prototype...everyone who has looked through it has been impressed...
Ive used it in 5 matches and 2 8-man team matches...
PRS Finale -- Tac Class - 1st overall
GA Bushnell Elite - 1st Division and 1st overall
OK 8-man team match - 4th
Karstetter Memorial - 4th
WA 8 man team match - 1st
S3 - 6th (this is the only match I want a do over. we were on a stage when the snow came in and it was a blind stage we had to range targets and the RF would not range. so we asked RO's the size of the targets so we could retc range and they didn't know. Regardless to say it was our low score of the match. dang dang.)
Warhorse - 2nd
So its been pretty solid... I think the peanut gallery will be impressed. I sure am. a peanut I mean. lol.
Regards,
DT
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I think it's because when people just mention the XTRII, it opens up a wound that just won't heal. LOL! I still cringe when I look through my Gen 1 XTRII (it's currently a $900 paper weight on my home office desk). I do hope the III's are all that they are rumored to be...
Yes sir good pt. I feel you. Other than 1 thing. Don't wallow in it, do what many here have done and return it. I would be shocked if you don't get a new one. GL mister. The forever warranty means forever and for anything.
People rave about the Vortex warrenty but wont take advantage of the Burris one? Come on now...
Regards,
DT
Funny you mentioned that, I just filed a case with their CS to inquire about that after commenting on this thread (i.e. I finally got off my ass and submitted the request; though honestly I'm not bitter about it, and is probably why I have waited so long to do this). It will be interesting to see the difference.
Back on topic...whats the latest release date projected for the III's?
I don't see the XTR3's being close to $2000.
I'm betting if a person searched around, the 3.3-18x will be around $1,407 with SCR2 mil, and, $1,336.91 for the SCR mil...
And the 5.5-30x I am guessing will be like $1,487.19 for the SCR2 mil and maybe around $1,447.10 for the SCR mil.
All non-illuminated versions.
Speculation aside, I guess we'll just have to wait and see though.
I'm betting if a person searched around, the 3.3-18x will be around $1,407 with SCR2 mil, and, $1,336.91 for the SCR mil...
And the 5.5-30x I am guessing will be like $1,487.19 for the SCR2 mil and maybe around $1,447.10 for the SCR mil.
All non-illuminated versions.
Speculation aside, I guess we'll just have to wait and see though.
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Midway are estimating September.
Might well be after the Nightforce NX8, which would not be a good thing for Burris.
And this is the exact reason my gen 2 razor is up for sale and I will be using a xtr 3 because the field of view is better on the xtr3
Whatever you guys say you can quit quoting me I won’t be buying a Burris anytime soon. I guess I like being in the majority.
Those are awfully specific estimates
With brand new Gen 2s around $1700 and the new NX8s coming in under $2000 there is plenty of competition to go around. Interested to see how the XTR3 compares in performance and price.
Since this very forum had people saying (or lying) that the XTR II glass was good when it was first released, I bought one sight unseen. A co-worker at my department also bought one sight unseen months later. Both had glass almost as good as a 3x9 Tasco... but not quite up to that Tasco standard.
The term "chromatic aberration" is now a running joke at the PD because everyone heard it so much. While the mechanics were decent, the fact Burris did not recall 100% of their obviously defective optical lenses killed them as a viable option. They were supposed to use an apochromatic lens system to stop CA. I dont know if they were too cheap to buy decent flint glass or if that was a lie but it was obvious that the CA was exta bad in all their 5-25×50 scopes. If your particular XTR III scope has "better glass" i am convinced it is likely because you are an insider and they hand picked one that randomly sucked the least out of a pile of others with horrible glass to get you to fool people into buying a Burris. That is what happened last time... preproduction units were used to garner good press, then Burris dropped their dumpster fire of lenses on the public.
In my mind, no Burris can EVER be trusted, sight unseen. You can only buy if you have an in store model to look through and check for yourself. The PST Gen2 crushes the optics of the Burris XTR2 at a similar price. Production XTR3 can be expected to be just as bad oprically, because that is the LEGACY which Burris created, since they were fine with foisting the XTRII on the shooting public as their top scope with reasonable optical quality. In fact, that should be the company motto/tag line from here on out.
"Burris... exceedingly poor optical quality, redefining the standards of chromatic aberration."
or
"Burris optics... never forget."
The term "chromatic aberration" is now a running joke at the PD because everyone heard it so much. While the mechanics were decent, the fact Burris did not recall 100% of their obviously defective optical lenses killed them as a viable option. They were supposed to use an apochromatic lens system to stop CA. I dont know if they were too cheap to buy decent flint glass or if that was a lie but it was obvious that the CA was exta bad in all their 5-25×50 scopes. If your particular XTR III scope has "better glass" i am convinced it is likely because you are an insider and they hand picked one that randomly sucked the least out of a pile of others with horrible glass to get you to fool people into buying a Burris. That is what happened last time... preproduction units were used to garner good press, then Burris dropped their dumpster fire of lenses on the public.
In my mind, no Burris can EVER be trusted, sight unseen. You can only buy if you have an in store model to look through and check for yourself. The PST Gen2 crushes the optics of the Burris XTR2 at a similar price. Production XTR3 can be expected to be just as bad oprically, because that is the LEGACY which Burris created, since they were fine with foisting the XTRII on the shooting public as their top scope with reasonable optical quality. In fact, that should be the company motto/tag line from here on out.
"Burris... exceedingly poor optical quality, redefining the standards of chromatic aberration."
or
"Burris optics... never forget."
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