Thank you for such detailed information, so I assume a good design should look somewhat close to a 60 inch barrel with a big case having the similar capacity as the Russian 50 cal case but neck it down to 416? That will probably given lob a heavy 416 very fast
It wont handle the pressureThank you for such detailed information, so I assume a good design should look somewhat close to a 60 inch barrel with a big case having the similar capacity as the Russian 50 cal case but neck it down to 416? That will probably given lob a heavy 416 very fast
Necking down a cartridge is not always the answer. When you neck down a 50 caliber to .416, you have to stay within the pressure limits. There is no way around it. Slower burning powder is needed and a much longer barrel to gain muzzle velocity. The other option is to develop cartridges and systems that can handle more pressure. No need to go crazy on barrel length. Pressure allows you to gain all the muzzle velocity you want. Let me give you an example. 416 barret, 525 grain bullet at 3100fps compared to 416 colossus, 525 grain bullet at up to 3400 fps. No need for 60 inch barrel , has to do with operating pressure. But here comes the most important recommendation. I see from your questions that you are still in the beginner phase (no offense). Please please please never do crazy pressure experiments. Most actions can not handle high pressure. It will explode in your face.Thank you for such detailed information, so I assume a good design should look somewhat close to a 60 inch barrel with a big case having the similar capacity as the Russian 50 cal case but neck it down to 416? That will probably given lob a heavy 416 very fast
Thanks for the kind advice man. No offence taken, yeah I did start loading about 7 years ago, so indeed, I have much to learn but I'm just fiddling around with the loads for those rounds that I'm used to, and I'm pretty familiar with those. I've never really got to spend enough time with any 50 cal bolt face wild cats or other ELR rounds, so I just wanna hear from experienced guys like you and people in this forum to learn and test things that I didn't really have my hands on. I'm just wondering if it is physically possible for any round to achieve those numbers in a system that is still portable lol. Lobbing a 400gr bullet at 4200fps really sounds amazing and can make a 2-mile shoot really easy, so that's why I was excited about this around when it was first announced. But I guess in order to do that you need a sabot round like those apfsds that tanks shoot.
Expected, so are there any ELR rounds that you would recommend that have a 50cal bolt face? I know there are tons of good rounds like Hellfires warlords, and vestals but they are all cheytac bolt face
I personally no longer make standardized cases that use parent cases that use existing bolt faces. If I'm going to design something from scratch it's going to be different so that it cannot be copied without my technology and designs and the proper platform no one can claim. "Look what i did " if some one wants what i have itonly comes from me . Currently I am not producing any of my custom cartridges and currently RCC is gone. But very shortly I will step back into full production and some of them will be available through our company.Expected, so are there any ELR rounds that you would recommend that have a 50cal bolt face? I know there are tons of good rounds like Hellfires warlords, and vestals but they are all cheytac bolt face
If I had to recommend something based on the BMG then 460 Steyr. But honestly why the BMG ? Think about it this way. The BMG was designed in 1910. Would you like to drive a car that was designed in 1910? I say there are better cartridges on the market.
. He refuses to answer questions, he doesn't go into details, he even refuses to post pictures of the chnopgraph where these magic numbers are on it. Maybe he's doing a turtorial on how to properly fuck up his reputation.Be realistic. First it was 3500 fps, then 4000fps, now 4200+. Even if I want to believe it, I only believe what I see. Why not a single video, with no cuts, from the load to the shot to the numbers on the chonorgraph. (Video without cuts and editing). Then I'm willing to seriously apologize. Until then, I remain skeptical, to put it politely.
You know the steel head cases are not the only way to run higher pressure but just out of curiosity, what is the pressure limit for the steel head cases you mentioned?
Any reloading issues with the steel head cases or just as easy as your reloading process with normal brass cases?
Good to know. I am curious to see what will win in the long term. I think high pressure is the way to go for ELR shooting in the future. For the new 416 and 458 Vestal, I can already find information on the recommended barrel length of 44-46 inches. That sounds ridiculous to me. Longer and longer barrels can't be the future. I mean, where does it end? 48"52"65" barrels? The only question is what will be the winner. Steel head cases like sig sauers 3 piece cases or regular cases, beefed up, made of stronger alloys.
Think about it like this. How much lighter, easier to handle and nicer would it be if you could achieve the performance you want with a 38 inch barrel instead of a 45 inches. What I'm trying to say here. Ultra long barrels are not necessarily needed to achieve better performance if you can run higher pressures. Personally, I don't like it when rifles are longer and heavier than necessary. But some people may see it differently.
Its not a rail gun. That's a car gun, it has tires lolI have an idea what the receiver is going to look like.
Yep, well it's just that I have never tried 50 cal bolt face rounds before so just got curious about how they perform lol. Probably will go with vestals for my next project since they can use large rifle primers instead of 50-cal primers, and it looks like they can do just as well.
