In what configuration is an AR10 legal in California? Or is it ever?
How you people live there is beyond me, but thanks for the help.
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California AR10
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Re: California AR10
To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it
To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it
Re: California AR10
Start here:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
Page two lists the OLL (off list lowers), then install a bullet button and its nearly free game from there. Our laws have actually laxed quit a bit lately. That flow chart will make it easy to understand. Plus the guys at calguns can answer any questions necessary to keep it legal.
Start here:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
Page two lists the OLL (off list lowers), then install a bullet button and its nearly free game from there. Our laws have actually laxed quit a bit lately. That flow chart will make it easy to understand. Plus the guys at calguns can answer any questions necessary to keep it legal.
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it</div></div>
That's basically it in a nutshell.
Offlist lower + bullet button + 10 round magazine = CA legal.
The rest of it is up to the buyer as to how he wants to configure it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it</div></div>
That's basically it in a nutshell.
Offlist lower + bullet button + 10 round magazine = CA legal.
The rest of it is up to the buyer as to how he wants to configure it.
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They all have to look like this:
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LOL
That rifle actually made the news, some ding-dong at CNN? did a story about a company marketing assault weapons to children. Nevermind it was a one-off made by a guy for his old lady...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They all have to look like this:
LOL
That rifle actually made the news, some ding-dong at CNN? did a story about a company marketing assault weapons to children. Nevermind it was a one-off made by a guy for his old lady...
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How you people live there is beyond me</div></div>
Trust me people here say the same thing about other parts of the country...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How you people live there is beyond me</div></div>
Trust me people here say the same thing about other parts of the country...
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it </div></div>
I think you mean so they can run detachable magazines not high capacity.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it </div></div>
I think you mean so they can run detachable magazines not high capacity.
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AWP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it </div></div>
I think you mean so they can run detachable magazines not high capacity.
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Yeah high cap magazines and ARs constitute Assault Weapons in CA and therefore a felony. No matter the situation unless you have a registered AW, good luck with that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AWP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be legal it has to start with a "Off list Lower" Thats any lower not on named assault weapons ban list. No Armalite AR10s or SR25s. The rest can come in in pieces or complete if they have ten rds or less magazine installed with bullet buitton or other device that requirres a tool to remove the magazine.
Now some guys do the weird stock set up, no pistol grip or thumb hole and no flash hider so they can run high capacty magazines.
Thats about it </div></div>
I think you mean so they can run detachable magazines not high capacity.
</div></div>
Yeah high cap magazines and ARs constitute Assault Weapons in CA and therefore a felony. No matter the situation unless you have a registered AW, good luck with that.
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Fangou</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah high cap magazines and ARs constitute Assault Weapons in CA and therefore a felony. No matter the situation unless you have a registered AW, good luck with that. </div></div>
Misinformation... If you get a grip that does not allow a pistol grip hold like the monster grip or the one shown on the hello kitty rifle above as well as no other "evil features", you can run any capacity detachable magazine(s) as long as you had the magazine(s) prior to the Jan 1, 2000 ban. These are called "featureless rifles".
I recommend you go back and read the link you posted so you pass on the correct info.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Fangou</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah high cap magazines and ARs constitute Assault Weapons in CA and therefore a felony. No matter the situation unless you have a registered AW, good luck with that. </div></div>
Misinformation... If you get a grip that does not allow a pistol grip hold like the monster grip or the one shown on the hello kitty rifle above as well as no other "evil features", you can run any capacity detachable magazine(s) as long as you had the magazine(s) prior to the Jan 1, 2000 ban. These are called "featureless rifles".
I recommend you go back and read the link you posted so you pass on the correct info.
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They all have to look like this:
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The sad thing is that is not too far from the truth. They are working on requiring BB guns to come in bright colors:
http://www.news10.net/news/article/137067/29/BB-guns-would-get-bright-colors-under-CA-bill
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They all have to look like this:
The sad thing is that is not too far from the truth. They are working on requiring BB guns to come in bright colors:
http://www.news10.net/news/article/137067/29/BB-guns-would-get-bright-colors-under-CA-bill
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Fangou</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah high cap magazines and ARs constitute Assault Weapons in CA and therefore a felony. No matter the situation unless you have a registered AW, good luck with that. </div></div>
Misinformation... If you get a grip that does not allow a pistol grip hold like the monster grip or the one shown on the hello kitty rifle above as well as no other "evil features", you can run any capacity detachable magazine(s) as long as you had the magazine(s) prior to the Jan 1, 2000 ban. These are called "featureless rifles".
I recommend you go back and read the link you posted so you pass on the correct info. </div></div>Even then the law is very ambiguous as to the legality of owning high cap mags. It's a lot easier just to install a bullet button and enjoy the rifle as it was intended. I have yet to have anyone give me a hard time for my high cap mags. If I'm going to the range or somewhere I'm not familiar with, I just take ten round mags. I'm not into the 10rnd/30rnd imitation "play army man" high cap mags...LOL...that's silly. The mag holds what it holds...why pretend it's something it's not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bob Fangou</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah high cap magazines and ARs constitute Assault Weapons in CA and therefore a felony. No matter the situation unless you have a registered AW, good luck with that. </div></div>
Misinformation... If you get a grip that does not allow a pistol grip hold like the monster grip or the one shown on the hello kitty rifle above as well as no other "evil features", you can run any capacity detachable magazine(s) as long as you had the magazine(s) prior to the Jan 1, 2000 ban. These are called "featureless rifles".
I recommend you go back and read the link you posted so you pass on the correct info. </div></div>Even then the law is very ambiguous as to the legality of owning high cap mags. It's a lot easier just to install a bullet button and enjoy the rifle as it was intended. I have yet to have anyone give me a hard time for my high cap mags. If I'm going to the range or somewhere I'm not familiar with, I just take ten round mags. I'm not into the 10rnd/30rnd imitation "play army man" high cap mags...LOL...that's silly. The mag holds what it holds...why pretend it's something it's not.
Re: California AR10
No I am not wrong and I meant high capacity magazines. If its not configured as an assault weapon/featureless then you can run legally owned pre ban high capaicity magazines just like a M1A does
No I am not wrong and I meant high capacity magazines. If its not configured as an assault weapon/featureless then you can run legally owned pre ban high capaicity magazines just like a M1A does
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No I am not wrong and I meant high capacity magazines. If its not configured as an assault weapon/featureless then you can run legally owned pre ban high capaicity magazines just like a M1A does </div></div>I said the laws are ambiguous as to owning them, not using them, and I didn't say you were wrong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No I am not wrong and I meant high capacity magazines. If its not configured as an assault weapon/featureless then you can run legally owned pre ban high capaicity magazines just like a M1A does </div></div>I said the laws are ambiguous as to owning them, not using them, and I didn't say you were wrong.
Re: California AR10
Steele, sorry my second post was after yours but not directed at you. It was the ones who corrected me incorrectly earlier. LOL
I should have gone back and replied to them instead of you
With that said 20 rds is better than 10 rds anyday everyday.
Steele, sorry my second post was after yours but not directed at you. It was the ones who corrected me incorrectly earlier. LOL
I should have gone back and replied to them instead of you
With that said 20 rds is better than 10 rds anyday everyday.
Re: California AR10
There is no ambiguity to owning high cap magazines. If the mags were owned prior to the ban then it's perfectly legal. The only ambiguity is in having high capacity mags that are not "pre-ban" and the law only forbids importation and manufacturing not ownership.
There is no ambiguity to owning high cap magazines. If the mags were owned prior to the ban then it's perfectly legal. The only ambiguity is in having high capacity mags that are not "pre-ban" and the law only forbids importation and manufacturing not ownership.
Re: California AR10
Hang in there guys and hopefully you can vote those folks out!!! If I can ever help any of you guys stuck out there let me know my small shop is CA compliant and friendly (cannot let those folks win)
Semper Fi
Hang in there guys and hopefully you can vote those folks out!!! If I can ever help any of you guys stuck out there let me know my small shop is CA compliant and friendly (cannot let those folks win)
Semper Fi
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no ambiguity to owning high cap magazines. If the mags were owned prior to the ban then it's perfectly legal. The only ambiguity is in having high capacity mags that are not "pre-ban" and the law only forbids importation and manufacturing not ownership. </div></div>
Exactly, the law is pretty black and white.
As for 10/20 or 10/30 mags... I only have one 10/20 PMag for my AR and one 10/20 CMI mag for my M25, they're easier for me to insert and remove...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no ambiguity to owning high cap magazines. If the mags were owned prior to the ban then it's perfectly legal. The only ambiguity is in having high capacity mags that are not "pre-ban" and the law only forbids importation and manufacturing not ownership. </div></div>
Exactly, the law is pretty black and white.
As for 10/20 or 10/30 mags... I only have one 10/20 PMag for my AR and one 10/20 CMI mag for my M25, they're easier for me to insert and remove...
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hang in there guys and hopefully you can vote those folks out!!! If I can ever help any of you guys stuck out there let me know my small shop is CA compliant and friendly (cannot let those folks win)
Semper Fi </div></div>
Thank you for the support! You don't know how much it's appreciated.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: branson1369</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hang in there guys and hopefully you can vote those folks out!!! If I can ever help any of you guys stuck out there let me know my small shop is CA compliant and friendly (cannot let those folks win)
Semper Fi </div></div>
Thank you for the support! You don't know how much it's appreciated.
Re: California AR10
Barrett in 416 Barrett
Gap in 6.5 MM CM
Both of these rifles are California legal. They have a bullet buton mag release installed. I never need more than a ten round magazine for either one of these platforms. All my AR 15's and AR 15 magazines that I use in competition are pre-ban so I have numerous high capacity magazines for them. Even tho I live on the left coast I still can purchase some pretty cool shit.
Barrett in 416 Barrett
Gap in 6.5 MM CM
Both of these rifles are California legal. They have a bullet buton mag release installed. I never need more than a ten round magazine for either one of these platforms. All my AR 15's and AR 15 magazines that I use in competition are pre-ban so I have numerous high capacity magazines for them. Even tho I live on the left coast I still can purchase some pretty cool shit.
Re: California AR10
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
NoExpert said:
Re: California AR10
Everything said above is true except "high capacity" magazines changing the status of the gun. With no "pistol grip" you can uses magazines that hold more than ten rounds, of course mags that you lawfully possessed before Jan 1, 2000. A 19-year old at the range with a "monster man" grip (like on that Hello Kitty pink AR) and 30 round PMAGS would look..... suspicious.
I have a magazine lock on my Imbel rec. FAL and a similar grip de-pistolifier on my PTR-91 so I can use the G3 mags I paid up to $40 in the run-up to the ban...
Everything said above is true except "high capacity" magazines changing the status of the gun. With no "pistol grip" you can uses magazines that hold more than ten rounds, of course mags that you lawfully possessed before Jan 1, 2000. A 19-year old at the range with a "monster man" grip (like on that Hello Kitty pink AR) and 30 round PMAGS would look..... suspicious.
I have a magazine lock on my Imbel rec. FAL and a similar grip de-pistolifier on my PTR-91 so I can use the G3 mags I paid up to $40 in the run-up to the ban...
Re: California AR10
Here is my POF .308 that is completely CA legal. The 20 round magazines are pinned at the 10 round mark and a bullet button installed.
There are at least a dozen or more lowers that are CA legal off list lowers OLL that arent banned or prohibited. Both the Armalite and DPMS style lowers can be had legally in CA. KAC Armalite, DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt marked lowers are about the only things you cant get in CA.
Everything else is good to go as long as the rifle doesnt have the "evil features"
Here is my POF .308 that is completely CA legal. The 20 round magazines are pinned at the 10 round mark and a bullet button installed.
There are at least a dozen or more lowers that are CA legal off list lowers OLL that arent banned or prohibited. Both the Armalite and DPMS style lowers can be had legally in CA. KAC Armalite, DPMS, Bushmaster, Colt marked lowers are about the only things you cant get in CA.
Everything else is good to go as long as the rifle doesnt have the "evil features"
Re: California AR10
Get yourself a noveske N6, Aero Precision, Rock River LAR 8 or even the new bushmaster ORC put in a bullet button and you are good to go with 10 round mags. Or you can go "featureless" with a monster man grip and run Hi Caps. Welcome to the peoples republic of Kommiefornia
Get yourself a noveske N6, Aero Precision, Rock River LAR 8 or even the new bushmaster ORC put in a bullet button and you are good to go with 10 round mags. Or you can go "featureless" with a monster man grip and run Hi Caps. Welcome to the peoples republic of Kommiefornia
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