Can someone please explain

[JMGlasgow]

Why all of the sudden is the element Nitrogen now considered a pollutant? It's the 7th most common element in our universe, is necessary in plant life, and is a key component in amino acids.

First it was CO2, another necessary chemical compound for plants and photosynthesis, is naturally occurring and has been since earth became a planet. Even carbon, the basis for all life on this planet, is considered a pollutant.

I'm no scientist, I'm also not a chemist, but early on in grade school science we were taught that CO2 and nitrogen are important for plant life and the overall health of the eco system. Now it seems like none of that is taught and these modern so-called "scientists" know more than some of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth.

Can someone help me understand scientifically why they are now bad?

 

[KZP]

Using Nitrogen fertilizer has a nasty byproduct of increasing the human population.

 

[wade2big]

Money and power. When you have to ask why, it’s always money and power.

 

[Arc Light]

I can't explain it, but what I do know is that these environmental extremist nutjobs won't be happy until mankind regresses back to the stone age.

 

[JMGlasgow]

I was hoping to keep politics to a minimum, but I'm of the same opinion that this is all about power and control. No nitrogen, no crops, no food.

 

[supercorndogs]

What kind of nitrogen where is the thing? Kind of like how the atmosphere is 78% nitrogen, but plants can't just take it out of the air. The form and location matter. High nitrate nitrogen in your water is not good. High levels of NOx {nitrogen dioxide} is supposed to be bad to breathe, its a nitrogen bipoduct of combustion.

Too much of anything is pretty much harmful. The question is always how much is too much and are we anywhere close to that threshold.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Mainly pertaining to nitrogen fertilizer, since the enviro terrorists and WEF/NWO seem to be all about banning it. Same with the carbon "footprint" scam.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Starved into submission

 

[The D]

I can't explain it, but what I do know is that these environmental extremist nutjobs won't be happy until mankind regresses back to the stone age.

Those environmental extremist nutjobs are just pawns being used by the global eugenecists. Once their usefulness has run it’s course they will be abandoned just like the rest of us. The green movement is the depopulation agenda is eugenics

 

[NoDopes]

Oxygen is toxic at higher partial pressures.
Ban oxygen!!!

 

[KZP]

Oxygen is toxic at higher partial pressures.
Ban oxygen!!!

That's insane, no government will ever ban oxygen. What a wild conspiracy theory!











They will tax it instead.

 

[candyx]

I was hoping to keep politics to a minimum, but I'm of the same opinion that this is all about power and control. No nitrogen, no crops, no food.

All regulations are political , in NJ the DEP has a regulation for topsoil based on Impact to Groundwater. Some stone meets the reg and some washed sand, neither will allow you to grow any plant life in.

 

[mgoodrich]

Actually it is anhydrous ammonia (NH3) that is injected into the ground which turns into Nitrogen that the plants can use.

Made by combining Hydrogen gas (that has been isolated from natural gas) and Nitrogen from the atmosphere.

So, the nitrogen itself isn't the pollutant, it is the fossil fuel used to make the fertilizer (natural gas) that is the source of the regulation.

 

[Inifinty]

Because Satan doesn't like life as God created it.

He literally has boots on the ground running to his instruction and pulling the stings. They control all politics, education, finance, and religion.

This planet will be shaken soon by the hand of God in our lifetimes and they know this so pass it off as climate change. It is the impending shaking that will cause much greater weather extremes and not the byproducts of life as they would have us believe. But since most think of the bible as a fairy tale, they are easily lied to and deceived.

We are at the phase where a global raiser of taxes is presented. Global carbon taxes sound familiar? Satan immediately replaces the raiser of taxes and presents himself as God. Time on a biblical scale is very short.

If you see something by all accounts people think is God and you still have the ability to bleed, grow tired, or get hot or cold, it wont be Him.

He want's everyone to forfeit their spiritual life by bending their knee to him in ignorance.

It's all coming. We are all seeing the wind up for it.

 

[hlee]

Anything that enters the environment as a byproduct of human action is a pollutant. Fertilizer runoff draining into the gulf and causing a giant dead zone isn’t exactly making the world a better place…

 

[Bender]

Money and power. When you have to ask why, it’s always money and power.

*small hat club

 

[Bender]

When you finally understand that there is literally true and real evil behind all of this, it makes sense. The depths of what these people have done/are doing is incomprehensible. You think that the (((elite))) just up and stopped human sacrifice? Lol

 

[JMGlasgow]

Because Satan doesn't like life as God created it.

He literally has boots on the ground running to his instruction and pulling the stings. They control all politics, education, finance, and religion.

This planet will be shaken soon by the hand of God in our lifetimes and they know this so pass it off as climate change. It is the impending shaking that will cause much greater weather extremes and not the byproducts of life as they would have us believe. But since most think of the bible as a fairy tale, they are easily lied to and deceived.

We are at the phase where a global raiser of taxes is presented. Global carbon taxes sound familiar? Satan immediately replaces the raiser of taxes and presents himself as God. Time on a biblical scale is very short.

If you see something by all accounts people think is God and you still have the ability to bleed, grow tired, or get hot or cold, it wont be Him.

He want's everyone to forfeit their spiritual life by bending their knee to him in ignorance.

It's all coming. We are all seeing the wind up for it.

I don't like to be preached to, nor do I need a lesson about some false deity. Please keep religion to yourself.

 

[TheHorta]

Dihydrogen Monoxide is the greatest threat to humanity. We need to ban that shit today before it’s too late!

 

[TheHorta]

I don't like to be preached to, nor do I need a lesson about some false deity. Please keep religion to yourself.

Well you’re gonna listen and you’re gonna like it, minion.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Anything that enters the environment as a byproduct of human action is a pollutant. Fertilizer runoff draining into the gulf and causing a giant dead zone isn’t exactly making the world a better place…

So by that logic you believe that humans themselves are a pollutant?

Salt Lake is a dead zone. Same with the dead sea. Those occurred naturally.

 

[Inifinty]

I don't like to be preached to, nor do I need a lesson about some false deity. Please keep religion to yourself.

You asked, so I provided real information as to what is going on.

Maybe you would like to hear about aliens and spacecraft instead?

Those are coming too.

I am not preaching or condemning here. Just providing info that you or others may or may not use as a warning.

Reality is not a religion.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Religion being real information is laughable at best, but you do you. At least there is more proof of life outside Earth than there is a some "god". More suffering has occurred due to religion than any other reason. I'll put it bluntly, religions are fucking stupid.

 

[n2ishun]

 

[Aftermath]

So by that logic you believe that humans themselves are a pollutant?

Salt Lake is a dead zone. Same with the dead sea. Those occurred naturally.

Except both places are teeming with life...like brine shrimp that feed all sorts of waterfowl.

 

[Gee Kay]

Why all of the sudden is the element Nitrogen now considered a pollutant? It's the 7th most common element in our universe, is necessary in plant life, and is a key component in amino acids.

First it was CO2, another necessary chemical compound for plants and photosynthesis, is naturally occurring and has been since earth became a planet. Even carbon, the basis for all life on this planet, is considered a pollutant.

I'm no scientist, I'm also not a chemist, but early on in grade school science we were taught that CO2 and nitrogen are important for plant life and the overall health of the eco system. Now it seems like none of that is taught and these modern so-called "scientists" know more than some of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth.

Can someone help me understand scientifically why they are now bad?

time to warm up the pew pew pewz it seems

 

[beetroot]

Not sure what the context of the original post is exactly but excess nitrogen getting leaching into rivers and streams can lead to excess algae and aquatic plant growth, which can lead to poor water quality and/or mess up the aquatic ecosystem.

Like all things in life human activity can have a detrimental effect on the environment if not properly managed.
Unfortunately like everything else, politicians don't seem to understand there is a vast middle ground between totally banning nitrogen fertilizers, and allowing free reign where the environment is negatively impacted.

 

[Maser]

Dihydrogen Monoxide is the greatest threat to humanity. We need to ban that shit today before it’s too late!

Memes from 2010 huh? Gonna discover Rickrolling next?

 

[TheHorta]

Memes from 2010 huh? Gonna discover Rickrolling next?

What’s old always becomes new again.

 

[MtnCreek]

Anything that enters the environment as a byproduct of human action is a pollutant. Fertilizer runoff draining into the gulf and causing a giant dead zone isn’t exactly making the world a better place…

We have assholes in subdivisions to thank for that.

 

[supercorndogs]

Mainly pertaining to nitrogen fertilizer, since the enviro terrorists and WEF/NWO seem to be all about banning it. Same with the carbon "footprint" scam.

That would be why i mentioned nitrate {NO3} in the water. Ammonium {NH4+} and ammonia {NH4} are also form o nitrogen fertilizer that seep into groundwater. They kill aquatic life if there is too much of them.

 

[pmclaine]

Thomas Malthus.

Vs.

John Locke.

Nitrogen is what destroyed the followers of Malthus' ideology.

Instead of accepting the doom and gloom of Malthus people should push the ingenuity of man, and perhaps even the Grace of God to provide.

If there is a problem rise to the challenge and over come it, it is the American way.

Instead we are being asked to capitulate.

Note the surrender and humiliation never applies above a certain social strata.

 

[roostercogburn98]

That's insane, no government will ever ban oxygen. What a wild conspiracy theory!

 

[supercorndogs]

Thomas Malthus.

Vs.

John Locke.

Nitrogen is what destroyed the followers of Malthus' ideology.

Instead of accepting the doom and gloom of Malthus people should push the ingenuity of man, and perhaps even the Grace of God to provide.

If there is a problem rise to the challenge and over come it, it is the American way.

Instead we are being asked to capitulate.

Note the surrender and humiliation never applies above a certain social strata.

Note-The bible tells us the final famine will exclude the milk and honey. I.E. The rich. If you go look at the NJ ground water rules mentioned bu Candyx you can see how selective enforcement can be easily achieved through unreasonably complex rules.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

It is the battle of conflicting agendas. If fertilizer makes your farm more prosperous it is great. If the runoff is creating giant algae blooms in the water you fish and killing your livelihood it sucks.

It is fun to hate the government, but they are stuck trying to figure out a compromise., hence regulations.

 

[Rthur]

Fertilizer is expensive, moreso these days.
People like to eat.
Wonder if this clown show is considering sewage overflow and hyper fertilized places like
suburbia and golf courses, to name a few.

R

 

[CSGambill]

Duh... Nitrogen helps plants grow, and everyone knows that plants use up carbon dioxide. If the plants use up too much carbon dioxide the climate change narrative will fall apart. Can't have that.

 

[supercorndogs]

Does anyone having some reading material on this repeated claim that lawns and golf courses cause more fertilizer run off or seepage than farming.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

Sounds like one more step in destroying the American farmer to me.

 

[Old Man with Gun]

Does anyone having some reading material on this repeated claim that lawns and golf courses cause more fertilizer run off or seepage than farming.

Are you looking for a study funded by the farming industry, lawncare industry or golf industry?

 

[pmclaine]

It is the battle of conflicting agendas. If fertilizer makes your farm more prosperous it is great. If the runoff is creating giant algae blooms in the water you fish and killing your livelihood it sucks.

It is fun to hate the government, but they are stuck trying to figure out a compromise., hence regulations.

They are not trying to compromise.

They have settled on the “less food = less people” idea.

 

[pmclaine]

Does anyone having some reading material on this repeated claim that lawns and golf courses cause more fertilizer run off or seepage than farming.

Out for a walk with the dog my son is supposed to watch….

We are stopped at the lake I would catch great bass out of as a kid….

Can barely fish it after the crap blooms.

It’s not fertilizer causing it.

It’s some sort of invasive Asian weed we imported with our global trade.

Fuck Walmart.

 

[supercorndogs]

Are you looking for a study funded by the farming industry, lawncare industry or golf industry?

Who ever. Just the one that supports the claims being made so I can read it for myself.

 

[Baron23]

Anything that enters the environment as a byproduct of human action is a pollutant. Fertilizer runoff draining into the gulf and causing a giant dead zone isn’t exactly making the world a better place…

And we have ruined the Chesapeake Bay…w significant impact from fertilizer runoff from the surrounding 4-5 states.

We really fucked up a natural treasure, IMO.

 

[MtnCreek]

Does anyone having some reading material on this repeated claim that lawns and golf courses cause more fertilizer run off or seepage than farming.

I do not. I do know who knows what nutrients are needed, what levels are currently in soil and how to place them so they aren't wasted. And I know who buys fertilizer based on the picture on the bag. I've also seen plenty of creeks in rural farming communities and in urban shitholes.

 

[supercorndogs]

Out for a walk with the dog my son is supposed to watch….

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We are stopped at the lake I would catch great bass out of as a kid….

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Can barely fish it after the crap blooms.

It’s not fertilizer causing it.

It’s some sort of invasive Asian weed we imported with our global trade.

Fuck Walmart.

Probably the best fishing I have ever done was in a lake that looks like that when the native moss fills in in the heat of summer. That lake is dry now. As the levels in the different aquifers drop and the land can't infiltrate water to replenish it, the springs and creeks dry up on the surface. Lots of creeks around here that the old timers say ran water all the time until the 50s and 60s are completely dry except for flash floods. There are unintended consequences of things we do. Many I am sure we don't understand yet.

If the last two years has taught anyone with half a brain anything. It should be, that the government does not have your best interests at heart. Just look at their stock trading before the "two weeks to flatten the curve." They knew damn well they were going to be drawing it out at infinitum. Two weeks was just the soft sell. They had access to every study that said lockdowns don't work and do more damage than the disease.

 

[wade2big]

I do not. I do know who knows what nutrients are needed, what levels are currently in soil and how to place them so they aren't wasted. And I know who buys fertilizer based on the picture on the bag. I've also seen plenty of creeks in rural farming communities and in urban shitholes.

Are you saying that you wouldn’t take a dip in this?

 

[supercorndogs]

I do not. I do know who knows what nutrients are needed, what levels are currently in soil and how to place them so they aren't wasted. And I know who buys fertilizer based on the picture on the bag. I've also seen plenty of creeks in rural farming communities and in urban shitholes.

I have never know a non-farmer who did soil tests before they fertilized or had any idea what they even probably needed. More like, "well, this one had the biggest numbers. Damn its till yellow, better put more on. Jeez, I fertilize and everything and nothing will grow here must be really bad soil."

 

[Old Man with Gun]

I can't find any good articles specifically on the topic, but at least in Florida, farms are using 83% of the fertilizer so it seems like a bold claim that the other 17% is the bigger offender.

ENH1277/EP541: Florida Fertilizer Usage Statistics

University of Florida, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences Extension outreach is a partnership between state, federal, and county governments to provide scientific knowledge and expertise to the public. The University of Florida (UF), together with Florida A&M University (FAMU)...

edis.ifas.ufl.edu

I found lots of articles listing agricultural runoff as the top source, but most articles are talking about pollution in general and also discussed things like animal waste.

sources of fertilizer runoff - Google Search

 

[supercorndogs]

Are you saying that you wouldn’t take a dip in this?

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But is it actually polluted or just gross because of the trash? Kind of reminds me of finding a can someone left in a spot I like to hunt. As usual there were some mice living in it. Or watching them shoot nutria out of drainages in New Orleans. If they are there, there is food, if they are thriving there is lots of food. The premise that just because it comes from us its bad, is false. Although if we still used a lot more cardboard and paper, there would be a lot less "trash" in the river that doesn't break down in a year or two and turn into something you could put on your garden to help with fertility.