I bet 90 percent of the members piling on can't afford a rig that costs half as much as the OP's rifle . Remington 700s come like that at times , but at that price point you expect it .
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I’d be pretty upset if I spent my entire wad on that rifle, and had only $7 left over for a level too.I bet 90 percent of the members piling on can't afford a rig that costs half as much as the OP's rifle . Remington 700s come like that at times , but at that price point you expect it .
Well said ! You got fucked on the rifle , you deserve to be pissed .To those that took the time to answer my actual question from the start and offer support later on, thank you.
Some of you seem to be so pathologically tied to the idea that a product cannot be out of spec (regardless of whether it was or not) it’s bizarre and you should probably look into why that is. You act like a rotated photo, which I openly noted as such from the start, mentioned the reason why and provided the original, is some sort of smoking gun which you’ve expertly Columbo’d out.
Furthermore, a level may not show a true level….but provided it is orientated the same way and is the only level used can still be a useful comparison tool to show that two surfaces aren’t level with each other, even if neither are truly level.
I don’t need to provide you any proof, I don’t owe you anything…..you’ve provided zero help to me and by the looks of it couldn’t or wouldn’t regardless of any kind of proof, if indeed there was any I could provide that would allow your fragile ego to admit that even the best of companies sometimes make something that isn’t perfect.
and so to those (as suggested) fuck you.
Im still waiting to see any proof that AI in all actuality replaced anything.
OP’s credibility is already shot by posting doctored photos.
I know we all love a good underdog story, but that doesn’t typically start with questionable photos.
OP rightfully earned the dog pile he got, based on what we’ve seen so far.
too bad it can’t tune the voices out of your head that suggest anything you post is something others would actually want to read?He should've just slapped a tuner on that rifle and tuned the cant out...
As I mentioned in the A.I. picture thread, I recently purchased an AXMC in 6.5CM.
After getting home and starting to put it together, when levelling the rifle, I noticed that the action/scope rail was canted side to side….to the point of being visible to the eye.
Ended up sending it back, it was away for 5 weeks and had a new rail installed.
Got it back the other day and while it’s not as severe as it was, it’s still canted.
I tend to get really hung up on small details like this, that ultimately don’t really matter. And I also had a less that satisfactory experience with A.I. customer service.
Is this even a problem/something you would worry about?
By my calculations, the rail is out by approx 0.3 - 0.4 degrees, with the mating surfaces of the rail-to-action 0.07mm out of square.
Sometimes I just need people to tell me to stop being an idiot
Chad, did you read his post only or did you look at his iPhone grid pattern picture as well (See my post #58 with the marked up pic)?If you step back and consider all of this, I think you'll find that your stuff is actually sitting pretty well, especially for what you spent buying all of it.
If you are using a bubble level to check the tolerances of your parts, then you might be retarded.FWIW:
There are several things here that lead to where you are now. In a machinist world, it is called "tolerance stacking."
Questions that immediately come to mind:
If you step back and consider all of this, I think you'll find that your stuff is actually sitting pretty well, especially for what you spent buying all of it.
- Receiver guard screw holes squareness to bolt lug raceways
- Scope base holes squareness to bolt lug raceways
- Scope base radius feature(s) parallelism to the top of the ring mount geometry
- Scope base screw holes squareness to the bottom of the base
- Scope base screw head counterbore squareness to the bottom of the base
- Level "widget" vial hole machined square to paw features that capture the scope base
- Base/Level "widget" machined to STENAG/Picatinny published tolerances
-As an example, I own one of these levels that I use to set up new machines and various jobs we do. It has a resolution of .0005" per foot. Note the price.
Why do you suppose the bottom left hand corner, is biased the opposite way of the upper right hand corner? You can clearly see that the grid does not line up where the bolt inserts into the action.After going back and looking carefully at Smat’s iPhone grid picture more carefully (yes I did see according to the grid picture, the pic rail was not square the first time I looked). I think this rifle has a significant problem…
Look at his grid picture (see attached) that I’ve marked with planes A, B and C. Smat lined up parallel the grid line “A” to the bottom base line of the receiver, see how the grid line is parallel to the receiver? Grid line “B” clearly shows the pic rail is absolutely nonparallel.
What the real concern is grid line “C” that shows the top of the action appears to be milled out of square. When you take the out of square pic rail and the the top of the action out of square too, that results is some very significant stacking errors.
I would take the rifle to a competent machinist and have him measure how out of spec the top of the action “C” is to line “A” and generate a report send it to AI and tell them you want them to fix and refinish the action or replace it, if the evidence confirms the picture. If AI gives you crap then go see an attorney.
Of course, I am basing what I am seeing from an iPhone grid picture, it does look convincing though that the top of the action was milled out of square and if confirmed to be true then the new pic rail does not fix the problem.
I did say in my last sentence of my post you quoted, “Of course, I am basing what I am seeing from an iPhone grid picture, it does look convincing though that the top of the action was milled out of square and if confirmed to be true then the new pic rail does not fix the problem.”Why do you suppose the bottom left hand corner, is biased the opposite way of the upper right hand corner? You can clearly see that the grid does not line up where the bolt inserts into the action.
Here are some pictures for example where I have rotated the photo.
How can you be assured? Do you own one or more AI rifles and AI is infallible and can never put something out that is defective?I can assure you the barrel and bore are not oval shaped biased to the right at the top.
Particularly with people whose only real info is what their paranoid brain tells them. They used to be occupied by the grassy knoll but that's passe' now. LOLjust doesn’t seem a lot of point in arguing a situation that no longer exists.
Ive seen that episode of king of the hill. Dale confirmed what really happened. Now we need something else fun to occupy our lizard brain with.Particularly with people whose only real info is what their paranoid brain tells them. They used to be occupied by the grassy knoll but that's passe' now. LOL
A standard phone could be used to make a video of you sodomizing a goat and odds are most people who personally know you still wouldn’t be able to spot the difference.If I was paying that much for a rifle system I wouldn't want visible out of square on the rail. If I was trying to fabricate an image I wouldn't, nor do I think any standard phone app could "doctor" a photo well enough to pass off. Seems like a heap of idiots gagging to tell someone else they are wrong.
"Altered" is a fairly uncharitable contextualization of the OP's pictures.
Unless I misunderstand something, the only thing "altered" is the picture was rotated with a grid applied, so that the viewer can see how the angles of each part in relation to each other. Perhaps you can make the argument that the picture isn't perfectly square, so the perspective is off. But 99% of people I know wouldn't be able to take a better picture.
I'll be generous and give the OP the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't seem to be trying to stir shit up, he's asking a question (a fair one given the pics) if that cant is acceptable between parts. If this is trolling, this is a pretty bad troll.
If that doesn’t look like an obviouslyIf you’d like a more specific order of events, in order to determine whether or not I’m telling the truth. Normally I wouldn’t have put details up publicly.
• 4th May: Bought rifle
• 5th May: contacted A.I. asking some generic questions. Received reply asking for serial numbers 30 minutes later but no answers.
• 8th May: Sent A.I. email asking about cant.
• 15th May: Returned rifle to local dealer, for return to original dealer (at their request, for them to inspect and decide whether it was an issue or not).
• 16 - 19th May: dealer determined there was an issue and returned rifle to A.I.
• 22nd May: Rifle arrives at A.I. Received answers to emails from A.I.
• 1st June: Polite email sent to A.I. asking if they had a rough idea when they might get a chance to look at it as I might have to cancel a range day and would like as much time as possible to cancel it.
• 2nd June: A.I. replied and, politely, told me not to contact them again.
• 4th July: Rifle returned.
During this time, I missed two booked and paid for range days. A.I. stated one return date, then missed it……with it returning this Tuesday.
There’s teenagers making these videos regularly. if you struggle to print a pdf, the rest of population isn’t equally as stupid just because it’s a challenge for you, grandpa.Yeah and about 99.99% of the worlds population has no clue how to do something like that...
If that doesn’t look like an obviously
altered photo to you, then you should probably get your eyes checked.
Nobody argued that this was an 'elaborate hoax', it clearly doesnt take much effort to fool people, like yourself, of such "gifted" intellectual ability.Looks like a bad photoshop job trying to cut out the background.
The argument that this is same elaborate deep fake to troll SH and AI is a pretty stupid one. Because if this was supposed to be an elaborate hoax using cutting edge technology, it's a huge flop...
Conspiracies everywhere..?Almost as exhausting as seeing conspiracies everywhere, I’d wager.
The only one with their panties in a bunch is you. The guy asked one question is this too much cant on his repaired rifle. That's it. Then you started blathering on and on about faked pictures and anyone that can't see the shop job is an idiot. Why are you wasting your valuable time on this thread when you could be masturbating over your AI?Conspiracies everywhere..?
I would wager at best you’ve got a classic case of “buyers remorse”. The thousands you spent on this rifle doesn’t live up to some cosmetic or other imaginary standards you had built up in your head, and now you’ve got your panties in a bunch.
I see this all the time from guys who buy track cars with carbon ceramic brake packages on expensive cars and then bitch and moan about the brakes being “noisy”.
Nobody argued that this was an 'elaborate hoax', it clearly doesnt take much effort to fool people, like yourself, of such "gifted" intellectual ability.
if you're too stupid to understand the purpose of an analogy, I can see why this is so difficult for you to grasp now. Im sorry, truly. It must be really hard living life like that. Driving across deceiving statements everywhere "best prices around" "largest inventory", its gotta be frightening to be so easily caught up in mental mousetraps.
OP spent so much of his time bitching, he's never actually shot the rifle.I’m just a dumb old country boy, but this seems a bit too much of poor, poor pitiful me. Yep its an expensive rifle and yes its nice that it be right, but the world is not perfect (cause if it was, I would be the oldest multiple repeat winner of the Tour de France, the only winner of the AG Cup, and a repeat winner of the powerball lottery). (And every rifle I ever owned would put ten shots in a single caliber hole at any distance I cared to shoot)