I always thought that to cant a fifle, or any gun for that matter was a bad shot guaretied...why do some situations call for a rifle to be canted?
Enlighten me please
Enlighten me please
Advanced Marksmanship canting a rifle on Purpose??
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? maybe from under a car or some wierd hole your shooting through - but other than that i see no reason
I cant the rifle on purpose it just depends.
Most of my rifles are very slightly canted to level the scope to gravity because in my shoulder pocket the rifle is ever so slightly canted.
On other occasions like shooting positional, (targets are usually not super far) I cant the rifle again.
The Tubb Rifles are designed to cant the rifle, and level everything necessary after the fact. There are more than one locations for the scope base, they are at 5 degrees or 10 degrees besides being top dead center. So you have 0 degrees, 5 degrees, and 10 degrees of cant built in.
Watch his video and he speaks about "your shooting style" quite a bit. What he means is adjusting the rifle to your natural cant. Then you can level the rifle after you set it up.
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In part 2, he talks about the receiver holes.
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So, canting is not a "cut & dry" issue... if you cant and don't account for it, because you are "level - level" you run into long range issues. If you purposely cant and account for it, there is no issue at all.
People naturally cant the rifle, so going level - level and not accounting for position, comfort, fatique, etc, you will naturally move the rifle off center. If you set up for the long term, and set up the rifle to your natural position. You won't subconsciously cant the rifle causing an issue.
But you can "cant" a rifle, and have no ill effects. Or in most cases, much less deviation than reported. Granted the farther out the worse it will get, but most cant very little and will probably see the effects of a bad trigger press before they see the problem with canting.
Most of my rifles are very slightly canted to level the scope to gravity because in my shoulder pocket the rifle is ever so slightly canted.
On other occasions like shooting positional, (targets are usually not super far) I cant the rifle again.
The Tubb Rifles are designed to cant the rifle, and level everything necessary after the fact. There are more than one locations for the scope base, they are at 5 degrees or 10 degrees besides being top dead center. So you have 0 degrees, 5 degrees, and 10 degrees of cant built in.
Watch his video and he speaks about "your shooting style" quite a bit. What he means is adjusting the rifle to your natural cant. Then you can level the rifle after you set it up.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/GqJA5koBlMA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
In part 2, he talks about the receiver holes.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/1rJUCBBn0lE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
So, canting is not a "cut & dry" issue... if you cant and don't account for it, because you are "level - level" you run into long range issues. If you purposely cant and account for it, there is no issue at all.
People naturally cant the rifle, so going level - level and not accounting for position, comfort, fatique, etc, you will naturally move the rifle off center. If you set up for the long term, and set up the rifle to your natural position. You won't subconsciously cant the rifle causing an issue.
But you can "cant" a rifle, and have no ill effects. Or in most cases, much less deviation than reported. Granted the farther out the worse it will get, but most cant very little and will probably see the effects of a bad trigger press before they see the problem with canting.
for silhouette shooting, it's almost a standard practice to tie in with the dedicated off hand position, some scopes are actually "crooked" on purpose all the way to 8:00 for right handed shooters have the crosshairs appear level in the sight picture while in stance.
I'm not real big on the idea of shooting the rifle on it's side if that's what your talking about. Is the the Pullman position that rides on your fist? That's the position I think works the best when needing to go low.
Thankyou Lowlight! It is then a matter of fitting the rifle to the shooter again...ok. I get it, thanks too for the time and vids!
I used to cant my 10M precision air rifle, and a little differently in each position. Since it was a fixed distance, correcting was only a matter of adjusting the sights for each position change. Someone may correct me, but my understanding was that canting is not only fine, but preferable until you start running your sights around for elevation/wind, since moving the sight "left" will actually result in a little "left" and a little "down" (for an 11:00-ish cant). As a result, it is far easier to dynamically use a rifle when it is held as close to level as possible.
Shooting the Service Rifle, I will allow the rifle to settle-in for me to realize muscular relaxation. This produces a cant in the prone and sitting position. The cant can be an issue with zeroing yet it is preferable to shooting the rifle straight up since I cannot maintain muscle for straight up consistently, and any inconsistency makes recoil resistance unpredictable, thus producing varying results.
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ARs are comfortable to shoot canted: A small amount counter-clockwise with the pistol grip makes the trigger finger position much more comfortable and is used by many NRA XC shooters. They only shoot from their zero range to 600 yards, though.
Let's expand on this concept a bit, and cant the rifle 90 degrees bolt-up: Inside your zero range your windage will be your elevation, but because it’s at zero your elevation zero is now your windage zero, which is about 1.25 Mils to the right of the line of bore (assuming a 100 yard zero).
At distances greater than my zero range I establish a PBZ, hold to the right by the amount of the sight-height and hold high by whatever the actual bullet drop is at distance.
Let's expand on this concept a bit, and cant the rifle 90 degrees bolt-up: Inside your zero range your windage will be your elevation, but because it’s at zero your elevation zero is now your windage zero, which is about 1.25 Mils to the right of the line of bore (assuming a 100 yard zero).
At distances greater than my zero range I establish a PBZ, hold to the right by the amount of the sight-height and hold high by whatever the actual bullet drop is at distance.
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Match rifle sights don't need to be canted for muscular relaxation since the butt on such a rifle can be canted. Typically, a match rifle used for XC would likely have its butt stock adjusted for pull length, comb height, butt height and butt cant for each position. Still, I can shoot scores almost as high with my Service Rifle as I can with a Match Rifle since I can easily make myself fit the Service Rifle and still have muscular relaxation, albeit with a cant in sitting position.
Doesn't make a 'hoot 'n hells' difference how much the rifle is canted.....as long as your sights are set up vertical....such as a scope! Think Tubb set his NRA Match Rifles up with a 7 degree cant but sights were leveled!!
