just sent some deluth flex back, caught the rear pocket 4th time i wore them getting out of my pickup, same seat i've been getting out of since 2007 when i bought it, has a small piece of frame showing, not even sharp, haven't torn a wrangler or carhart pants i've been wearing. Piss poor chinese product. (what isn't for the most part)To bad, they fit nice. Just got some 5.11 Apex this week, very light material, but u can tell it's tough, teflon in the material for stain & water repellant. Fit is really nice. Regular pockets on the front, plus cargo pockets underneath u hardly know are there. 3rd day wearing them and can see why the great reviews about them. Also bought a pair of the tatical pants, heavier material. Haven't worn them yet, have pockets inside doubled knee material for pads. I think they will work nice for stage shooting and protect my knees. Very roomy. Over 600 positive reviews on them. Really decent priced at $49.99 with free shipping