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Re: Carry 1911
I carry this custom built Caspian comm./officer with a 5-shot leather holster...Nothing Fancy, Worx Great!
But Im starting to like those little Kahr 9mm pistols...just might make a switcharruny!!!
I carry this custom built Caspian comm./officer with a 5-shot leather holster...Nothing Fancy, Worx Great!
But Im starting to like those little Kahr 9mm pistols...just might make a switcharruny!!!
Re: Carry 1911
I would stick with the cheaper handgun...If you have to shoot and kill someone that gun will be sent off for balistics testing and could be gone for up to a year, depending on how backed up the lab is that takes care of such things. The lab rats wont treat it like you would. It would prob came back with scratches on it that wasn't there before.If you go with the cheeper type gun make sure that it will shoot when needed. there is a bunch of cheaper handguns out there that will get the job done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joe90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was wondering what everyone's opinions on what 1911's you would trust as a carry pistol and which ones you wouldn't. Something in the $1000 range + or - a couple hundred. I'm looking to get on in the next year or so and looking to get my CCW next summer when I turn 21 and want something I can trust my life with. Thanks for the help in advance guys.
PS feel free to throw in other handguns if you want. I'm just trying to get a feel for what is reliable and people out there trust their lives with. And I just really love 1911's</div></div>
I would stick with the cheaper handgun...If you have to shoot and kill someone that gun will be sent off for balistics testing and could be gone for up to a year, depending on how backed up the lab is that takes care of such things. The lab rats wont treat it like you would. It would prob came back with scratches on it that wasn't there before.If you go with the cheeper type gun make sure that it will shoot when needed. there is a bunch of cheaper handguns out there that will get the job done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joe90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was wondering what everyone's opinions on what 1911's you would trust as a carry pistol and which ones you wouldn't. Something in the $1000 range + or - a couple hundred. I'm looking to get on in the next year or so and looking to get my CCW next summer when I turn 21 and want something I can trust my life with. Thanks for the help in advance guys.
PS feel free to throw in other handguns if you want. I'm just trying to get a feel for what is reliable and people out there trust their lives with. And I just really love 1911's</div></div>
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPEYECOP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would stick with the cheaper handgun...If you have to shoot and kill someone that gun will be sent off for balistics testing and could be gone for up to a year, depending on how backed up the lab is that takes care of such things. The lab rats wont treat it like you would. It would prob came back with scratches on it that wasn't there before.If you go with the cheeper type gun make sure that it will shoot when needed. there is a bunch of cheaper handguns out there that will get the job done.</div></div>
I would carry the one that that I can shoot the best regardless of cost. Self Defense gear is not where you look to save a dime. Chances are you will never need it but if you do, I would want the best and most reliable gun I own in my hand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joe90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was wondering what everyone's opinions on what 1911's you would trust as a carry pistol and which ones you wouldn't. Something in the $1000 range + or - a couple hundred. I'm looking to get on in the next year or so and looking to get my CCW next summer when I turn 21 and want something I can trust my life with. Thanks for the help in advance guys. </div></div>
Kimber Pro Carry as primary and a Springfield Loaded Champion as backup.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPEYECOP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would stick with the cheaper handgun...If you have to shoot and kill someone that gun will be sent off for balistics testing and could be gone for up to a year, depending on how backed up the lab is that takes care of such things. The lab rats wont treat it like you would. It would prob came back with scratches on it that wasn't there before.If you go with the cheeper type gun make sure that it will shoot when needed. there is a bunch of cheaper handguns out there that will get the job done.</div></div>
I would carry the one that that I can shoot the best regardless of cost. Self Defense gear is not where you look to save a dime. Chances are you will never need it but if you do, I would want the best and most reliable gun I own in my hand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joe90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was wondering what everyone's opinions on what 1911's you would trust as a carry pistol and which ones you wouldn't. Something in the $1000 range + or - a couple hundred. I'm looking to get on in the next year or so and looking to get my CCW next summer when I turn 21 and want something I can trust my life with. Thanks for the help in advance guys. </div></div>
Kimber Pro Carry as primary and a Springfield Loaded Champion as backup.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hatidua</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have three Glocks.
But carry this:
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that's the purtiest springfield i ever saw, details & price??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hatidua</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have three Glocks.
But carry this:
that's the purtiest springfield i ever saw, details & price??
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I love a 1911, but I think you should consider other options. Clearly, 1911s are one of the best pistol designs ever made and I carried one for about five years. However, most people I know (myself included) get lazy about carrying extra magazines. Most 1911s are going to have a more limited capacity compared to other weapons. Given the higher capacity of different platforms, and advances in self-defense ammo (smaller bullets do better than they used to), it seems to follow that you significantly improve your situation in a gunfight with weapons other than a 1911. If reloading more often in the middle of a gunfight is your thing, then knock yourself out. If you have to do it, then do it well and get the best 1911 you can afford and shoot the crap out of it. I'm just saying, it came down to capacity for me when I decided to go another route.
I love a 1911, but I think you should consider other options. Clearly, 1911s are one of the best pistol designs ever made and I carried one for about five years. However, most people I know (myself included) get lazy about carrying extra magazines. Most 1911s are going to have a more limited capacity compared to other weapons. Given the higher capacity of different platforms, and advances in self-defense ammo (smaller bullets do better than they used to), it seems to follow that you significantly improve your situation in a gunfight with weapons other than a 1911. If reloading more often in the middle of a gunfight is your thing, then knock yourself out. If you have to do it, then do it well and get the best 1911 you can afford and shoot the crap out of it. I'm just saying, it came down to capacity for me when I decided to go another route.
Re: Carry 1911
hey guys,
im either looking at getting a kimber procarry or building a 1911 for concealed carry.
my question is which is the better route to go? i really like the pro carry but they seem to always have odd grips on them. im wanting a stainless or black frame and slide and a stailness trigger with black grips. i dont like the wood ones.
thanks
hey guys,
im either looking at getting a kimber procarry or building a 1911 for concealed carry.
my question is which is the better route to go? i really like the pro carry but they seem to always have odd grips on them. im wanting a stainless or black frame and slide and a stailness trigger with black grips. i dont like the wood ones.
thanks
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rware91</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey guys,
im either looking at getting a kimber procarry or building a 1911 for concealed carry.
my question is which is the better route to go? i really like the pro carry but they seem to always have odd grips on them. im wanting a stainless or black frame and slide and a stailness trigger with black grips. i dont like the wood ones.
thanks </div></div>
"Better" is subjective. Can you build what you want for less than a PC? Since I carry one, obviously went the PC route. It usually comes with the factory rubber grips that are pretty good as far as providing a secure grip. If you are seeing wood grips it's probably aftermarket.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rware91</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey guys,
im either looking at getting a kimber procarry or building a 1911 for concealed carry.
my question is which is the better route to go? i really like the pro carry but they seem to always have odd grips on them. im wanting a stainless or black frame and slide and a stailness trigger with black grips. i dont like the wood ones.
thanks </div></div>
"Better" is subjective. Can you build what you want for less than a PC? Since I carry one, obviously went the PC route. It usually comes with the factory rubber grips that are pretty good as far as providing a secure grip. If you are seeing wood grips it's probably aftermarket.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hatidua</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have three Glocks.
But carry this:
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youe stealling my style..lol..almost the same exact gun, i built this one up from a GI model
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hatidua</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have three Glocks.
But carry this:
youe stealling my style..lol..almost the same exact gun, i built this one up from a GI model
Re: Carry 1911
I am right @ 6' tall, weigh 150 lbs., skinnier than a rail and have never had a problem concealing a Rock Island 1911 with 5" barrel in my waistband. When I'm carrying in the summer I simply wear a slightly long t-shirt that won't ride up over the grip. I recommend the full-size 1911 as a carry gun for anyone who is familiar with it and comfortable using it. I know everyone wants a higher capacity carry, but I prefer to keep the stopping power and try to stay out of situations where I need capacity. In short, if the 1911 is what you like, give it a go.
I am right @ 6' tall, weigh 150 lbs., skinnier than a rail and have never had a problem concealing a Rock Island 1911 with 5" barrel in my waistband. When I'm carrying in the summer I simply wear a slightly long t-shirt that won't ride up over the grip. I recommend the full-size 1911 as a carry gun for anyone who is familiar with it and comfortable using it. I know everyone wants a higher capacity carry, but I prefer to keep the stopping power and try to stay out of situations where I need capacity. In short, if the 1911 is what you like, give it a go.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPEYECOP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would stick with the cheaper handgun...If you have to shoot and kill someone that gun will be sent off for balistics testing and could be gone for up to a year, depending on how backed up the lab is that takes care of such things. The lab rats wont treat it like you would. It would prob came back with scratches on it that wasn't there before.If you go with the cheeper type gun make sure that it will shoot when needed. there is a bunch of cheaper handguns out there that will get the job done. </div></div>
Do you have any recommendations that would do the job better? Sig, HK, S&W....? I don't like the glocks really at all. Have shot a bunch and really just hate the trigger and they never shoot as well in my hands as other guns have. I have pretty big hands. As I said I'm 6'6" and 215-220 depending on the day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPEYECOP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would stick with the cheaper handgun...If you have to shoot and kill someone that gun will be sent off for balistics testing and could be gone for up to a year, depending on how backed up the lab is that takes care of such things. The lab rats wont treat it like you would. It would prob came back with scratches on it that wasn't there before.If you go with the cheeper type gun make sure that it will shoot when needed. there is a bunch of cheaper handguns out there that will get the job done. </div></div>
Do you have any recommendations that would do the job better? Sig, HK, S&W....? I don't like the glocks really at all. Have shot a bunch and really just hate the trigger and they never shoot as well in my hands as other guns have. I have pretty big hands. As I said I'm 6'6" and 215-220 depending on the day.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A.D.A.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love a 1911, but I think you should consider other options. Clearly, 1911s are one of the best pistol designs ever made and I carried one for about five years. However, most people I know (myself included) get lazy about carrying extra magazines. Most 1911s are going to have a more limited capacity compared to other weapons. Given the higher capacity of different platforms, and advances in self-defense ammo (smaller bullets do better than they used to), it seems to follow that you significantly improve your situation in a gunfight with weapons other than a 1911. If reloading more often in the middle of a gunfight is your thing, then knock yourself out. If you have to do it, then do it well and get the best 1911 you can afford and shoot the crap out of it. I'm just saying, it came down to capacity for me when I decided to go another route. </div></div>
You would be surprised at the number of people that consider carrying extra mags foolish. The old cliche, "three rounds in three seconds" is apparently law in some minds.
I carry an extra. Doubtful I'll ever need the first nine, but it doesn't weight that much and I may need the magazine more than the rounds.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: A.D.A.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love a 1911, but I think you should consider other options. Clearly, 1911s are one of the best pistol designs ever made and I carried one for about five years. However, most people I know (myself included) get lazy about carrying extra magazines. Most 1911s are going to have a more limited capacity compared to other weapons. Given the higher capacity of different platforms, and advances in self-defense ammo (smaller bullets do better than they used to), it seems to follow that you significantly improve your situation in a gunfight with weapons other than a 1911. If reloading more often in the middle of a gunfight is your thing, then knock yourself out. If you have to do it, then do it well and get the best 1911 you can afford and shoot the crap out of it. I'm just saying, it came down to capacity for me when I decided to go another route. </div></div>
You would be surprised at the number of people that consider carrying extra mags foolish. The old cliche, "three rounds in three seconds" is apparently law in some minds.
I carry an extra. Doubtful I'll ever need the first nine, but it doesn't weight that much and I may need the magazine more than the rounds.
Re: Carry 1911
The trend today (in places) is facing multiple threats-2-4 BGs (gang mindset - such as in Orlando we have gang mindset at times - 3-4 - entering restaurants and robbing people, home invasions, etc.). Therefore, relying on 5 or 6 rounds is risky in some places - as even trained individuals "miss" at times (much of the time under stress, etc. - shooting is different when the targets shoots back). I once helped work an IA case where a police officer expended 16 rds in one incident - all misses - but the BG got scared an ran off (I would have too ...). The average # of rounds now for a LEO expended in a gun fight is 15-16 (NY stats - avg hits app 34% (from my memory ...) - this includes peripheral (arms/legs, etc.) hits). In part this is because of teaching double tapping (which is good) and a somewhat spray and pray attitude in some incidents. Orange County Sheriff's Dept (Orlando) just had an incident where I think 10 or so officers expended over 100 rds in one incident (law suit pending).
If one feels comfortable carrying less - so be it. They can always say on their tombstone - But the 1980-1990s stats said and that is why I'm lying here in 2010. I always carry extra mags.
The trend today (in places) is facing multiple threats-2-4 BGs (gang mindset - such as in Orlando we have gang mindset at times - 3-4 - entering restaurants and robbing people, home invasions, etc.). Therefore, relying on 5 or 6 rounds is risky in some places - as even trained individuals "miss" at times (much of the time under stress, etc. - shooting is different when the targets shoots back). I once helped work an IA case where a police officer expended 16 rds in one incident - all misses - but the BG got scared an ran off (I would have too ...). The average # of rounds now for a LEO expended in a gun fight is 15-16 (NY stats - avg hits app 34% (from my memory ...) - this includes peripheral (arms/legs, etc.) hits). In part this is because of teaching double tapping (which is good) and a somewhat spray and pray attitude in some incidents. Orange County Sheriff's Dept (Orlando) just had an incident where I think 10 or so officers expended over 100 rds in one incident (law suit pending).
If one feels comfortable carrying less - so be it. They can always say on their tombstone - But the 1980-1990s stats said and that is why I'm lying here in 2010. I always carry extra mags.
Re: Carry 1911
I was about to say, that's why I carry spare mags.
Realistically, if I need more than 2 mags, its a gun fight I shouldn't be in!
I was about to say, that's why I carry spare mags.
Realistically, if I need more than 2 mags, its a gun fight I shouldn't be in!
Re: Carry 1911
This is something I posted on to another thread (different forum) concerning extra mags:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all you folks that have the ability to know you'll not need an extra magazine, why not just determine where the trouble will be and avoid it? You don't even need to carry a gun.</div></div>
Here is one response:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't trust yourself and your capabilities, then carry extra magazines. If you trust your capabilities and know that you will not pull out the gun unless you are 100% sure you are going to pull the trigger, and you trust yourself to hit what you aim at, then you don't need the extra magazines.</div></div>
This is something I posted on to another thread (different forum) concerning extra mags:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For all you folks that have the ability to know you'll not need an extra magazine, why not just determine where the trouble will be and avoid it? You don't even need to carry a gun.</div></div>
Here is one response:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't trust yourself and your capabilities, then carry extra magazines. If you trust your capabilities and know that you will not pull out the gun unless you are 100% sure you are going to pull the trigger, and you trust yourself to hit what you aim at, then you don't need the extra magazines.</div></div>
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't trust yourself and your capabilities, then carry extra magazines. If you trust your capabilities and know that you will not pull out the gun unless you are 100% sure you are going to pull the trigger, and you trust yourself to hit what you aim at, then you don't need the extra magazines.</div></div> Yea, and no one ever comes in second at IDPA competitions because of stress, etc. Over confidence will get you killed - as will lack of confidence.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't trust yourself and your capabilities, then carry extra magazines. If you trust your capabilities and know that you will not pull out the gun unless you are 100% sure you are going to pull the trigger, and you trust yourself to hit what you aim at, then you don't need the extra magazines.</div></div> Yea, and no one ever comes in second at IDPA competitions because of stress, etc. Over confidence will get you killed - as will lack of confidence.
Re: Carry 1911
The weight of a spare magazine is so negligible that it is silly not to carry one. Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone misses at one time or another. Do i think i will need more then seven rounds to fend of an attacker or several, no. Do i carry a spare magazine, yes. I have been shooting since i was about six, have taken several professional shooting classes, and have taught many Marines to shoot. All that has taught me that a spare magazine is a very good idea.
The weight of a spare magazine is so negligible that it is silly not to carry one. Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone misses at one time or another. Do i think i will need more then seven rounds to fend of an attacker or several, no. Do i carry a spare magazine, yes. I have been shooting since i was about six, have taken several professional shooting classes, and have taught many Marines to shoot. All that has taught me that a spare magazine is a very good idea.
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I live in South West Florida and I could never dream of concealing a full size 1911. I started carrying a XD 9mm 3in. I could hide it well but after a few hours it just felt heavy and uncomfortable so I stopped carrying. A few months ago I got a S&W .38 special +p air weight for about $475 out the door. I can take it anywhere and it hides so easily with a cheap blackhawk IWB holster. If at all possible try some friends guns. And don't just stand with it and say oh yeah it hides. Try sitting in some chairs and doing normal things. You will be surprised how quickly your stow away can cause you discomfort. As others have said it really depends on the holster too. There is no perfect carry gun, but there will be a perfect carry gun for you. Good luck and stay safe.
I live in South West Florida and I could never dream of concealing a full size 1911. I started carrying a XD 9mm 3in. I could hide it well but after a few hours it just felt heavy and uncomfortable so I stopped carrying. A few months ago I got a S&W .38 special +p air weight for about $475 out the door. I can take it anywhere and it hides so easily with a cheap blackhawk IWB holster. If at all possible try some friends guns. And don't just stand with it and say oh yeah it hides. Try sitting in some chairs and doing normal things. You will be surprised how quickly your stow away can cause you discomfort. As others have said it really depends on the holster too. There is no perfect carry gun, but there will be a perfect carry gun for you. Good luck and stay safe.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A full size 1911 conceals much better than any XDm or other double stack pistol. </div></div>
Exactly. Far slimmer design and a standard length grip unless you go officer size. If anything, bobtail the grip if you still have problems printing. I am 5'10" 145 and conceal one just fine with a polo shirt.
Josh
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A full size 1911 conceals much better than any XDm or other double stack pistol. </div></div>
Exactly. Far slimmer design and a standard length grip unless you go officer size. If anything, bobtail the grip if you still have problems printing. I am 5'10" 145 and conceal one just fine with a polo shirt.
Josh
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Concealed Carry is more of a systems approach to me than just one weapon. I live in SE Florida and do like the Kimber Ultra Carry II for general carry - not to say I'm a big Kimber fan, cause I'm not.
But the Ultra Carry II has proven itself reliable and regular maintenance keeps it that way.
As many here have said, holster choice is trial & error until you find a couple that work for you.
Springfield makes some nice 1911's and most would agree it is a reliable 1911 pistol for your money that can always be upgraded if you choose.
There are some clothing scenarios that don't lend themselves to the preferred 1911 and that's where the S&W 340PD Scandium .357 snubbie comes in. At 11oz unloaded it is a dream to carry in the DeSantis pocket holster.
I'm not one for the 'cheap plastic pistols' which are light and concealable. Many folks choose them and that's fine - just not to my liking.
Concealed Carry is more of a systems approach to me than just one weapon. I live in SE Florida and do like the Kimber Ultra Carry II for general carry - not to say I'm a big Kimber fan, cause I'm not.
But the Ultra Carry II has proven itself reliable and regular maintenance keeps it that way.
As many here have said, holster choice is trial & error until you find a couple that work for you.
Springfield makes some nice 1911's and most would agree it is a reliable 1911 pistol for your money that can always be upgraded if you choose.
There are some clothing scenarios that don't lend themselves to the preferred 1911 and that's where the S&W 340PD Scandium .357 snubbie comes in. At 11oz unloaded it is a dream to carry in the DeSantis pocket holster.
I'm not one for the 'cheap plastic pistols' which are light and concealable. Many folks choose them and that's fine - just not to my liking.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As many here have said, holster choice is trial & error until you find a couple that work for you.</div></div>
Amen! I've carried both a 4" XD and a 4" 1911 each for several years in anything from a shirt and slacks in the winter to shorts and a T-shirt in the summer using an IWB holster and a solid belt. Being 5'9'' and over 200lbs, it's all about the holster, belt, and how you choose to carry. With the right setup, it's possible to carry just about anything comfortably.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As many here have said, holster choice is trial & error until you find a couple that work for you.</div></div>
Amen! I've carried both a 4" XD and a 4" 1911 each for several years in anything from a shirt and slacks in the winter to shorts and a T-shirt in the summer using an IWB holster and a solid belt. Being 5'9'' and over 200lbs, it's all about the holster, belt, and how you choose to carry. With the right setup, it's possible to carry just about anything comfortably.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A full size 1911 conceals much better than any XDm or other double stack pistol. </div></div>
Exactly. Far slimmer design and a standard length grip unless you go officer size. If anything, bobtail the grip if you still have problems printing. I am 5'10" 145 and conceal one just fine with a polo shirt.
Josh </div></div>
Not sure about the XDm but the XD45 Compact and a 4" 1911 are really about the same size. The 1911 feels thinner but is actually only about 3mm thinner at the grip and virtually the same at the top of the frame where the safety and slide lock are. The 1911 probably feels a lot thinner because of the rounded slide but the frame is actually taller on my Kimber than on my Compact XD even after adding the Pierce extention to the XD. I can't remember which is longer but, since the slide disappears into the holster, the 1/2 difference is pretty much a wash.
I carried the XD for several years before the Kimber and the XD was no harder to conceal nor was it any less comfortable in the same brand/kind of holster than the 4" Kimber Pro Carry. As said before, with the right setup you can carry/conceal just about any pistol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A full size 1911 conceals much better than any XDm or other double stack pistol. </div></div>
Exactly. Far slimmer design and a standard length grip unless you go officer size. If anything, bobtail the grip if you still have problems printing. I am 5'10" 145 and conceal one just fine with a polo shirt.
Josh </div></div>
Not sure about the XDm but the XD45 Compact and a 4" 1911 are really about the same size. The 1911 feels thinner but is actually only about 3mm thinner at the grip and virtually the same at the top of the frame where the safety and slide lock are. The 1911 probably feels a lot thinner because of the rounded slide but the frame is actually taller on my Kimber than on my Compact XD even after adding the Pierce extention to the XD. I can't remember which is longer but, since the slide disappears into the holster, the 1/2 difference is pretty much a wash.
I carried the XD for several years before the Kimber and the XD was no harder to conceal nor was it any less comfortable in the same brand/kind of holster than the 4" Kimber Pro Carry. As said before, with the right setup you can carry/conceal just about any pistol.
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Don't know about the XDm either. The XD is 1.125 with while my 1911 is .910. The thumb safety sticks out a little more, but the major width is .910. Across the grips it is about the same as the XD. That 0.2 inches is the thickness of about 7 credit cards.
Josh
Don't know about the XDm either. The XD is 1.125 with while my 1911 is .910. The thumb safety sticks out a little more, but the major width is .910. Across the grips it is about the same as the XD. That 0.2 inches is the thickness of about 7 credit cards.
Josh
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't know about the XDm either. The XD is 1.125 with while my 1911 is .910. The thumb safety sticks out a little more, but the major width is .910. Across the grips it is about the same as the XD. That 0.2 inches is the thickness of about 7 credit cards.
Josh </div></div>
I assume that is across the top of the slide which, to me, is not significant since most of it is in the holster. The hardest part to conceal is typically the grip area and the XD is actually thinner at 1.17-1.22 depending on where you measure versus the 1.31 for a 1911 with standard grips. Taking into account the slide lock/grip safety, it's 1.28 versus 1.42 or 1.46 for my Champion with the ambi. In the same holster, the 1911 also sticks out more than .5" further because of the hammer and beavertail. So, to my earlier comment, they are about the same size overall with respect to length and width with each being smaller in some area.
At the end of the day it's really up to the user and their gear. I alternated between the two in a Supertuck and then later in a VM2 and the 1911 was not any easier for me to conceal than the XD. Not knocking the 1911 as it's my primary carry these days. Just offering a perspective and suggesting that someone compare the two as opposed to assuming the 1911 is much easier to conceal.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't know about the XDm either. The XD is 1.125 with while my 1911 is .910. The thumb safety sticks out a little more, but the major width is .910. Across the grips it is about the same as the XD. That 0.2 inches is the thickness of about 7 credit cards.
Josh </div></div>
I assume that is across the top of the slide which, to me, is not significant since most of it is in the holster. The hardest part to conceal is typically the grip area and the XD is actually thinner at 1.17-1.22 depending on where you measure versus the 1.31 for a 1911 with standard grips. Taking into account the slide lock/grip safety, it's 1.28 versus 1.42 or 1.46 for my Champion with the ambi. In the same holster, the 1911 also sticks out more than .5" further because of the hammer and beavertail. So, to my earlier comment, they are about the same size overall with respect to length and width with each being smaller in some area.
At the end of the day it's really up to the user and their gear. I alternated between the two in a Supertuck and then later in a VM2 and the 1911 was not any easier for me to conceal than the XD. Not knocking the 1911 as it's my primary carry these days. Just offering a perspective and suggesting that someone compare the two as opposed to assuming the 1911 is much easier to conceal.
Re: Carry 1911
My carry guns are as follows.
Ed Brown Special Forces 1911 in Milt Sparks VMII holster.
For warmer weather or shorts/tshirt dress I carry a little 9mm Walther PPS with a UBG holster.
My carry guns are as follows.
Ed Brown Special Forces 1911 in Milt Sparks VMII holster.
For warmer weather or shorts/tshirt dress I carry a little 9mm Walther PPS with a UBG holster.
Re: Carry 1911
I hear sporadic tales of a old guy who carries either a STI Escort, or a pair of perfectly matched .45's that will shoot left or right handed at a perfect zero from a rest. Just tales mind you, but the guns are definately carried in the crap places this old dude goes. Wouldn't want to mess with a guy 6'+ with black cowboy boots, a hat and a suit jacket. Who knows what's SOB or Appendix carry
I hear sporadic tales of a old guy who carries either a STI Escort, or a pair of perfectly matched .45's that will shoot left or right handed at a perfect zero from a rest. Just tales mind you, but the guns are definately carried in the crap places this old dude goes. Wouldn't want to mess with a guy 6'+ with black cowboy boots, a hat and a suit jacket. Who knows what's SOB or Appendix carry
Re: Carry 1911
Just might be me, but hard to cover a 1911 and not print with just a tshirt and shorts. Texas summers get hot, as I am sure do Florida's.
If the open carry would ever get some traction here then I probably would. But when you can become an instant criminal if your shirt comes untucked, then it is necessary, at least for me, to go with something a little smaller. The Walther PPS 9mm serves that purpose well.
Now, I have forgotten I was carrying and walked all through Walmart with the 1911 butt clearly sticking out of my pants, and nobody said a word. But I don't want to take any more chances than I have to.
Just might be me, but hard to cover a 1911 and not print with just a tshirt and shorts. Texas summers get hot, as I am sure do Florida's.
If the open carry would ever get some traction here then I probably would. But when you can become an instant criminal if your shirt comes untucked, then it is necessary, at least for me, to go with something a little smaller. The Walther PPS 9mm serves that purpose well.
Now, I have forgotten I was carrying and walked all through Walmart with the 1911 butt clearly sticking out of my pants, and nobody said a word. But I don't want to take any more chances than I have to.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lostangel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just might be me, but hard to cover a 1911 and not print with just a tshirt and shorts. Texas summers get hot, as I am sure do Florida's. </div></div>I am 6" 185lbs and live in Orlando and carry a 1911 (5" and 4.25") everywhere. I carry a revolver as a backup (in the pocket). I normally wear shorts, T-shirts or Hawaiian shirts (probably not a good option in TX
). No printing. While body frame can make it difficult to conceal some weapons, a GOOD holster (IWB most of the year) and belt are the "important."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lostangel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just might be me, but hard to cover a 1911 and not print with just a tshirt and shorts. Texas summers get hot, as I am sure do Florida's. </div></div>I am 6" 185lbs and live in Orlando and carry a 1911 (5" and 4.25") everywhere. I carry a revolver as a backup (in the pocket). I normally wear shorts, T-shirts or Hawaiian shirts (probably not a good option in TX
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Amen. I carry that same 4" 1911 and 4" XD IWB year round in ARIZONA. Yup 115+ degrees in the summer in shorts and a T-shirt. I just make sure my shirts and shorts are not tight and my shirt hangs past my belt. Usually, I buy shirts one size larger. If I bend over you can probably see the handle print if you are looking but my wife and friends that know I carry tell me that they can't tell tell.
Amen. I carry that same 4" 1911 and 4" XD IWB year round in ARIZONA. Yup 115+ degrees in the summer in shorts and a T-shirt. I just make sure my shirts and shorts are not tight and my shirt hangs past my belt. Usually, I buy shirts one size larger. If I bend over you can probably see the handle print if you are looking but my wife and friends that know I carry tell me that they can't tell tell.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I bend over you can probably see the handle print if you are looking but my wife and friends that know I carry tell me that they can't tell tell.</div></div>
Very few sheeple would ever think what they saw was a firearm. I've never been asked, but if the day ever comes, I'll tell 'em it's a colostomy bag.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I bend over you can probably see the handle print if you are looking but my wife and friends that know I carry tell me that they can't tell tell.</div></div>
Very few sheeple would ever think what they saw was a firearm. I've never been asked, but if the day ever comes, I'll tell 'em it's a colostomy bag.
Re: Carry 1911
colt commanders are nice. i used to carry one, they are a little on the heavy side, i ended up going to a g19.
colt commanders are nice. i used to carry one, they are a little on the heavy side, i ended up going to a g19.
Re: Carry 1911
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll tell 'em it's a colostomy bag. </div></div>
That's classic. I bet that would end the conversation quickly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll tell 'em it's a colostomy bag. </div></div>
That's classic. I bet that would end the conversation quickly.
