Case neck turning?

Re: Case neck turning?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dave338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for those of us yet to try neck turning what would be the best equipment to buy ? </div></div>

I have nothing to compare it to, I use a 21st Century Shooting Turner, it was easy to set up, cuts are very consistent, and its easy to use, free shipping too.
http://www.21stcenturyshooting.com/Neck_Turning_Tool_Kit.php
 
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I like Sinclairs NT4000 unit I have (2) of them (308&260) and they work very nice, very close tolorances. I also have and use one from K&M (260 neck up .243). Both of these are excellent products.
Sully
 
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the sinclair looks to be the most expensive , but very easy to use, like the idea of having an engraved dial not just a screw for depth settings, the 21st century one seems more complicated if you want to do more than one caliber,
i would think after doing a couple hundred cases you would want a power adapter of some sort?
do you still get good results using power screw driver or does the mini lathe from 21st give better results , also its looks like the 21st tool cuts the shoulder as well ?
 
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I have the Sinclair and a Forster trimmer. Since I have a lot more pilots for the Forster, it gets used on a variety of brass but they both work okay. I agree with comment about K&M, every tool I have with their name on it works very well, especially the neck chamfering tool. BB
 
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I used my Forster outside neck turner and chuck it up in a drill press using a Forster collet base to hold the cartrige. I use the same basic setup to trim, uniform the primer pocket and debur the inside flash hole.
The case being turned below is a Winchester with a relatively thin wall. Notice that I'm using a "cleanup" turn which leaves a portion of the neck untouched.
I bump size the case neck with a lee collet neck sizer to get a good fit on the mandrel. Then after I turn the case neck I size the case in a Redding FL bushing die and expand the neck with the expander ball (carbide) This gives me the most uniform neck tension possible.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vinconco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I used my Forster outside neck turner and chuck it up in a drill press using a Forster collet base to hold the cartrige. </div></div>

I chucked my Pumpkin turner into a vice on my drill press and my results were horrible... yes, I had an improvement, but I tested the drill press, the electric screw driver with the case in a caseholder in one hand and the turner in another, and manual turning. Manual was the best and the drill press was the worst. I expected the opposite.

I read up on it, and the issue is that the turner needs to "float." People who chuck one end "float" the other by holding the turner loosely. If my technique were better, I am sure the screwdriver method would work for me, but I have been doing it by hand. It is a lot of work, but I don't think it takes that much more time than an electric drill.

Another hint is to turn twice, once removing about 80% of the material, and the next time to do a final cleanup. This leads to much much greater consistency. It is also a lot of work and I know most long range shooters aren't interested in doing that kind of work... but I get my consistency down to +/- .00005" of variability in the neck (yes, that is the right number of zeros).

I say that... after you shoot it a couple of time, a lot of the variability comes back (back to .0005"), which means you have to turn it again (only once this time). Then the neck stays consistent. You have to watch that turn after 3 firings. If you bite into the neck like you did in the initial turn, you will make the brass too weak in the neck juncture and your case necks will stay in the chamber after you fire (don't ask me how I know).

That is a lot of turning... more than most people are willing to do. That is a benchrest practice and I am willing to admit it is way more than necessary, but I am anal.
 
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I just like to take the power tools out of the equation. Call it therapy or whatever, but I enjoy working with my hands and believe it gives me the best results. The Sinclair tool with a dial indicator is marvelous for that kind of mental un stimulus. BB
 
Re: Case neck turning?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: X-fan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: esromvre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate to ask this but when is brass to thin? Not being a smart ass but at what point is it too thin? .013?????

Just a need to know thing here. not to thread bump.. </div></div>

I can't say for sure, but if you anneal every round you can get away with some pretty darn thin brass...Maybe I will try turning some WW 223 down for fun... </div></div>

Please do and let me know Ive not had time to do this test myself.
 
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I have the Forster attachment for the original case trimmer and a setup from 21st Century. I'd steer clear of Forster for this and recommend 21st Century of the two. There are also a lot of other nice features the 21st Century setup has over a Forster like micrometer adjustment and floating mounts.

With whichever brand you choose, I found it important that there be an expander mandrel available to complement the pilot of the neck turner. Forster didn't offer one for their neck turning attachment which, in addition to just not liking how the attachment functioned - is why I abandoned using it and moved on to 21st Century.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I picked .0135, as you can see from picture above not the entire neck got turned, I would say 75% on average, I wouldn't go below .0130 </div></div>
That sounds pretty reasonable....Neck tension will probably be the biggest issue. Cut the neck too thin and you will start running out of bushings tight enough to produce a reasonable amount of neck tension.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: esromvre</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
esromvre said:
I hate to ask this but when is brass to thin? Not being a smart ass but at what point is it too thin? .013?????

Just a need to know thing here. not to thread bump..

Please do and let me know Ive not had time to do this test myself. </div></div>

Sorry dude had to attend a funeral and some other shit to attend to. Will Pm you when I find the bottom line, but I think my thoughts mentioned above are probably the biggest players here.