Chicom Stealth fighter unveiled

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I am sure this has nothing to do with

- The Rihady Family
- Lippo Bank
- Charlie Trie
- Johnny Chung
- Liu Chao-ying
- John Huang
- $150,000 / night Lincoln Bedroom stays
- Launching satellites with Chinese Rockets
- Missing guidance chips from crashed satellites (atop Chinese rockets)
- 1996 Clinton approval of the export of radiation hardened chip sets
- For more interesting reading on the free give aways by Slick Willy - check out the COX REPORT.


Good luck
 
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China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
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Not entirely true....China hasits own problems....like rivers that burn and whole billages dieing from radioactive waste,,,,virtually no really potable water,,,right now they are involved in an 80 year project to dig a 1000 mile canal to bring fresh water from Tibet. Multiply that and add that freemen will always prevail over slaves and servants and I think weve gotta chance...if our own greed and duplicity doesnt get us.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
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Not a chance!
They own our debt for the time being. If we wanted to crush them we could!
Just de-value the dollar and China is done financialy! It would hurt us in the process but not as drasticaly as it would China and they know it!
 
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Yes I am sure the Chinese stealth fighters were built with Clinton era technology. I'm sure those liberals are doing everything they can to sink their own nation. I'm sure the huge amounts of technology transfers done since Clinton so a few can make 15% better return on investment has nothing to do with this.

Back in the day a communist was described as a soulless man bent on hanging every freethinker out there.

A capitalist is the soulless man who would sell him the rope!

Neither man wants any loose cannon freethinkers walking around.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefan73</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
</div></div>
Not a chance!
They own our debt for the time being. If we wanted to crush them we could!
Just de-value the dollar and China is done financialy! It would hurt us in the process but not as drasticaly as it would China and they know it! </div></div>

They are buying up the world's debt not just ours, i.e. they are hedging their investments and if the U.S. were to devalue it's money enough to worry China they would have a great number of options available to them plus they have an extremely diversified portfolio. Just one option among many would be to instantly bankrupt the U.S. and we would be forced into unheard of tax rates to avoid a complete default. They don't have to kick our asses with military might, "and they know it"
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
</div></div>

Not entirely true....China hasits own problems....like rivers that burn and whole billages dieing from radioactive waste,,,,virtually no really potable water,,,right now they are involved in an 80 year project to dig a 1000 mile canal to bring fresh water from Tibet. Multiply that and add that freemen will always prevail over slaves and servants and I think weve gotta chance...if our own greed and duplicity doesnt get us. </div></div>

LMAO! Really? You think waste and people dieing is something China is worried about? And what does any of what you mentioned have to do with China's economic domination of the U.S.??

"if our own greed and duplicity doesnt get us" --> It already did.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Really? You think waste and people dieing is something China is worried about? And what does any of what you mentioned have to do with China's economic domination of the U.S.??

"if our own greed and duplicity doesnt get us" --> It already did. </div></div>

Well then why don't you either join them or swallow a bullet if you think this country is failed, lost and done with?

All this despondency and giving up... They're not going to take over the world and the US hasn't 'lost' anything. We're not in the best place we could be, but to suggest we've already failed is just pathetic.
 
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It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Really? You think waste and people dieing is something China is worried about? And what does any of what you mentioned have to do with China's economic domination of the U.S.??

"if our own greed and duplicity doesnt get us" --> It already did. </div></div>

Well then why don't you either join them or swallow a bullet if you think this country is failed, lost and done with?

All this despondency and giving up... They're not going to take over the world and the US hasn't 'lost' anything. We're not in the best place we could be, but to suggest we've already failed is just pathetic.
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Personally I never cared for the taste of lead so Ill pass on eating one....Ill eave that to you. Improve the general gene pool. But since your such a genius, ever heard of Rome....they poisened themselves to stupidity by drinking acidic wine from oead cups....

I didnt say they gave a shit about their people, neither did the Romans; I just said they may poison themselves out of the game. I lived in a little town in the hill country of Texas that years ago had DDT plants...DDT leached into the water supply--------->A bunch of, I hesitate too use the word retards, but alot of them sure arent up to snuff.
 
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What I've read makes me think their design was copies/stolen/modded from a Russian design, and the Russians are fairly pissed. It's not just the plane, it's about the man driving and I'd put our guys up any day.

On a financial notes, the Bank of Hong Kong released bonds in yuan for the first time ever this week, so it's possible for others to buy bits of China back.
 
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There is another example of what we can thank Slick Willie for back in 94. When he decided to turn over our entire patent data base under the basis of "free trade agreement". Not only did we get a bogus assault weapons ban but they got access to any and every thing we have made or applied for.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well. </div></div>

These were my thoughts.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notquiteright</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm sure the huge amounts of technology transfers done since Clinton so a few can make 15% better return on investment has nothing to do with this.
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You are correct. Bush was every bit as bad.


Good luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well. </div></div>

Very typical arrogant assumptions on commie tech and weaponry..yes the same technology that easily brought down our stealth fighter or same technology that sneaks around our shores undetected, same tech that easily defeated our anti missle systems like the patriot and same tech that could wipe out a carrier fleet pretty easily..Dont underestimate our enemy smart guy..they arent as dumb as you think.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zohan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well. </div></div>

Very typical arrogant assumptions on commie tech and weaponry..yes the same technology that easily brought down our stealth fighter or same technology that sneaks around our shores undetected, same tech that easily defeated our anti missle systems like the patriot and same tech that could wipe out a carrier fleet pretty easily..Dont underestimate our enemy smart guy..they arent as dumb as you think. </div></div>

Well, anyone that competes with them on a daily basis can see firsthand the results of their attempts at reengineering our technology.

They get close, but close doesn't cut it it's like comparing the stock Remington to a brand new custom.

My dad sells oil rigs so they're constantly having ideas stolen, and then watching as the competitors try to run these hapless machinations usually causing zounds of lives and destruction/inefficiency in the process.

Noone's underestimating them by assuming they won't magically copy super advanced manufacturing of highly refined technologies literally overnight.

They'll catch up, but they're a long ways off.

Also, China is not the communist that Russia was, and they won't suffer the same drawbacks. Russia was a house of cards, and China is a brick foundation.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

All this despondency and giving up... They're not going to take over the world and the US hasn't 'lost' anything. We're not in the best place we could be, but to suggest we've already failed is just pathetic.
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Event, I think it's pretty clear that this country is in one of the worst states it's ever been in and it's not trending up. We can discuss over PM, due to the politics but I'm sticking to my guns that the U.S. is on a general down-trend. We 'lose' things to China everyday. China has strategically became the economic and manufacturing giant that we once were only they have the ability to maintain that status whereas we gave it up (gave a lot of it to them I might add). This jet is just one example of their coming of age. Furthermore, to say my stance is pathetic without acknowledging the fact that we are losing to the Chinese on almost all fronts (save the point Goldie made about the environmental/human loss) is what is "pathetic".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China will take us, but it won't be by military might.
I'm not sure we can convince them that we're too big to fail. </div></div>

I think they already have.

China is too big to fail, we on the other hand already did.
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LMAO! Really? You think waste and people dieing is something China is worried about? And what does any of what you mentioned have to do with China's economic domination of the U.S.??

"if our own greed and duplicity doesnt get us" --> It already did. </div></div>

Well then why don't you either join them or swallow a bullet if you think this country is failed, lost and done with?

All this despondency and giving up... They're not going to take over the world and the US hasn't 'lost' anything. We're not in the best place we could be, but to suggest we've already failed is just pathetic.
</div></div>

Personally I never cared for the taste of lead so Ill pass on eating one....Ill eave that to you. Improve the general gene pool. But since your such a genius, ever heard of Rome....they poisened themselves to stupidity by drinking acidic wine from oead cups....

I didnt say they gave a shit about their people, neither did the Romans; I just said they may poison themselves out of the game. I lived in a little town in the hill country of Texas that years ago had DDT plants...DDT leached into the water supply--------->A bunch of, I hesitate too use the word retards, but alot of them sure arent up to snuff. </div></div>

Ah Goldie, I see where you're going with that and I'm sure a lot of Chinese are eliminating themselves from the gene pool but if there's one thing the Chinese can afford to loose (and perhaps want/need to) it's Chinese people. They have a long history of 'human rights violations' & 'environmental issues' so a few toxic rivers and the like are probably viewed as a blessing by the leadership.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zohan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well. </div></div>

Very typical arrogant assumptions on commie tech and weaponry..yes the same technology that easily brought down our stealth fighter or same technology that sneaks around our shores undetected, same tech that easily defeated our anti missle systems like the patriot and same tech that could wipe out a carrier fleet pretty easily..Dont underestimate our enemy smart guy..they arent as dumb as you think. </div></div>

I worked for an engineering/production company and when the Chinese execs would come for a tour we would cover everything up with tarps. We had found that they were coming to our plant and photographing the equipment and the process then going back to China and reverse engineering our products (industrial diesel components) and producing/selling the products that were just as good if not better in some cases for pennies on the dollar. We even had contracts with companies (the worst violator we'll call them 'Zummings') decided to do an end-run on us and buy the knock-offs despite the fact that we owned the IP. Point of this is that the Chinese can and do have awesome production capabilities and very advanced methods of reverse engineering our U.S. owned IP and since there is no international IP law they're free to do it all they want and when our fellow American's buy these products they only further support this practice thus driving us further into the ground.


 
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Ha...

It's still "Made in China", meaning that half of it is pot metal and brittle plastic. Not to mention all the pilots will probably die of lead poising.
 
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I heard it was built on the same assy line as the us stealth fighter,but it was built with a drink holder and a 12" KICKER for US market.

That is from a good source on the inside
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha...

It's still "Made in China", meaning that half of it is pot metal and brittle plastic. Not to mention all the pilots will probably die of lead poising. </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China's been doing this for 3000+ years.

We have 234 years.

They wrote the art of war.
We wrote the rules of engagement.

Who do you think will win? </div></div>

I'm with Arctic, He's dead on.

 
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Longevity doesn't mean shit... The Romans ruled the world for what, 500 years? They were thought to be the end all be all, now look at them.

Shift happens, what China was has nothing to do with what they are, although I do think they are powerful enough to be a concern.
 
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China is still behind the US technology, but only about ten years. China will have problems in the future. One is that families can only have one child and most want boys. When the sex of the child is found out and it's a girl; they abort the pregnancy. Now imagine a country full spoiled only children, everything handed to them by their parents. Now they have to work together with others and they still expect to get what they want; they all do. Imagine how that is going to work for them.

As far as an attack plan, all China has to do is round up their most impoverished and uneducated; put them on boats and ship them towards California. There would be so many boats the Coast Guard and Navy couldn't stop them. Once they reach land in California they will start receiving handouts. Then they can spread all the way to the East coast bankrupting the whole nation. Since they will be illegal immigrants we will not be able to deport them
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Jamie
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beck.jamie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as an attack plan, all China has to do is round up their most impoverished and uneducated; put them on boats and ship them towards California. There would be so many boats the Coast Guard and Navy couldn't stop them. Once they reach land in California they will start receiving handouts. Then they can spread all the way to the East coast bankrupting the whole nation. Since they will be illegal immigrants we will not be able to deport them
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Jamie </div></div>

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Tis the world we now live in......unfortunately.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China's been doing this for 3000+ years.

We have 234 years.

They wrote the art of war.
We wrote the rules of engagement.

Who do you think will win? </div></div>

No one.
 
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You have all forgotten that China holds billions of dollars in hard currency. A simple solution will bancrupt them without a shot being fired. Nationalize and change all currency making what they have worth our Confederate bills. Re-Issue our currency on a dollar to dollar trade and China is left sucking hind tit with warehouses full of worthless paper.

Or we could simply fly over Beijing and drop a noxious rain of disead bats and pigeons, leaving the entire country leaderless and confused to begin eating itself from within via civil war and sickness

First Strike might make a bad impression with world opinion but who would stop US? NATO? UN? Yeah, right. My bet is it would probably come from Oprah and her nation of women crying about no more Walmart value's

BWAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">China's been doing this for 3000+ years.

We have 234 years.

They wrote the art of war.
We wrote the rules of engagement.

Who do you think will win? </div></div>

The Japanese.
 
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I try to do my part by making every effort to avoid buying chinese anything. Its all but impossible to be completey chinese free. That said, I think its only a matter of time before the chinese people realise the good life is just that: the good life. They were for years being taken advantage of and that will come to an end when they all want to stop being poor peasant farmers with a relative minority in the major cities having all the cool stuff. Their so-called brick foundation will begin to crumble under the tremendous supply and demand issues which have been carefully regulated since the communist gov't took over. That all goes bye-bye when all the chinese kids want what all the europeon kids want what all the American kids want so forth and so on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zohan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well. </div></div>

Very typical arrogant assumptions on commie tech and weaponry..yes the same technology that easily brought down our stealth fighter or same technology that sneaks around our shores undetected, same tech that easily defeated our anti missle systems like the patriot and same tech that could wipe out a carrier fleet pretty easily..Dont underestimate our enemy smart guy..they arent as dumb as you think. </div></div>

Actually his assessment of that aircraft is right on. There are some folks with very prominent military engineering backgrounds that have been discussing this for days and have made similar findings.

That aircraft is easily 10 years away from IOC and most certainly be playing catchup with systems the West is fielding.

I don't believe he was underestimating anyone's capability so much as emphasizing that just because China unveils a prototype aircraft with some low-observable features, Congress won't be scrambling to find Lockheed Martin's phone number.

The F-22's incremental upgrades will keep it more than relevant to anything else flying, provided funds are available to keep it flying.

Unfortunately the F-22's main problem isn't being more than capable of blowing any other aircraft out of the sky, its finding bases for them to be effective should a conflict with China come to fruition. The Chinese know this and by the looks of this aircraft it is designed for long range standoff capability. Launching missiles from beyond the useful range of our interceptors and being able to high-tail it out of the danger zone could prove to be a huge problem.

So while it may not me a formidable opponent for the F-22, it doesn't have to be due to the geographic advantage that China enjoys.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dark Horse</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zohan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fred_C_Dobbs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has a number of stealth features but it also has some decidedly unstealthy features. Yes, the engine inlets and the overall shape of the fuselage look like an F-22 (and the F-35) and the vertical stabilizers appear to be sourced from the Sukhoi T-50 but it also has a canard wing and ventral fins and they've made no effort to shroud the engine exhausts or diffuse its IR signature. Overall, it's probably less stealthy than a 30-year-old F-117.

Typical Commie crap, close but no seegar.

And it's too big to be just a fighter. It's about the same length as the F-111 Aardvark, which suggests it'll have a dual fighter/bomber role, which suggests it won't do either especially well. </div></div>

Very typical arrogant assumptions on commie tech and weaponry..yes the same technology that easily brought down our stealth fighter or same technology that sneaks around our shores undetected, same tech that easily defeated our anti missle systems like the patriot and same tech that could wipe out a carrier fleet pretty easily..Dont underestimate our enemy smart guy..they arent as dumb as you think. </div></div>

Actually his assessment of that aircraft is right on. There are some folks with very prominent military engineering backgrounds that have been discussing this for days and have made similar findings.

That aircraft is easily 10 years away from IOC and most certainly be playing catchup with systems the West is fielding.

I don't believe he was underestimating anyone's capability so much as emphasizing that just because China unveils a prototype aircraft with some low-observable features, Congress won't be scrambling to find Lockheed Martin's phone number.

The F-22's incremental upgrades will keep it more than relevant to anything else flying, provided funds are available to keep it flying.

Unfortunately the F-22's main problem isn't being more than capable of blowing any other aircraft out of the sky, its finding bases for them to be effective should a conflict with China come to fruition. The Chinese know this and by the looks of this aircraft it is designed for long range standoff capability. Launching missiles from beyond the useful range of our interceptors and being able to high-tail it out of the danger zone could prove to be a huge problem.

So while it may not me a formidable opponent for the F-22, it doesn't have to be due to the geographic advantage that China enjoys. </div></div>


I call bullshit on the Chinese plane being able to match our F22 Raptor. First, the radar cross section of our Raptors is so small that that Chinese piece of shit most likely won't be able to see it. Raptor will see that Chicom plane long before they spot us.

It looks badass. Big fucking deal. As mentioned earlier the Chinese plane looks stealthy from the front, but not so much from the rear, especially with the exhaust.

I highly doubt that plan can tangle with a Raptor and walk away, especially when our Raptors use thrust vectoring and will turn circles around that thing.

I'm a huge fighter jet fan, and while the plane is pretty hot looking, it can't touch the Raptor.

It may give an F-15 some problems, but then again they run 15 to 1 simulations and one Raptor can take on multiple F-15's.

I seen an F-15 pilot kinda get pissed he got downed so many times by a Raptor pilot in an interview on Military Channel.

I think one F/A-18 Super Hornet took out a Raptor in a mock dog fight, only because he visually seen the plane and used his gun since missiles can't track a radar cross section the size of a small insect.

Who knows. May North Korea will be given a few that our Raptors could pounce on, should North Korea get into a real war with the South.

 
Re: Chicom Stealth fighter unveiled

Video of today's flight:
http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/44929492-1622669611.html#44930990

Story from AV. Week & Space Tech.

A lot of people have weighed in so far on what the appearance of the J-20 prototype (or prototypes, as some pictures suggest) means for Chinese and US strategy.

What's fascinating is that, faced with the same kind of information gap that we dealt with in the Cold War, the debate has fallen into the same mold, pitting the hawks against the skeptics. This time around, however, a lot of the people arguing that the J-20 is a propaganda exercise, a preliminary prototype at best, are on the inside of the Pentagon.

If you wanted to be really, really cynical about this, you would note that a certain white-haired gentleman in the Pentagon is on record as saying that China won't have an operational stealth aircraft before 2020, and that public disagreement with said gentleman has (on occasion) turned out to be sub-optimal from a career-development standpoint.

However, belief that the J-20 is a long way off is also based on comparison with recent US program performance - and although this may produce the right answer, it will do so for the wrong reasons.

When it comes to timing, the right answer for now starts with admitting that we don't know the answer. We have no good track record for the pace of development in China because it is not that long since China's economy started to take off, and not that long since the Maoist doctrine of the PLA - favoring numbers and politics over technology - gave way to a major program of modernization. One generation of Chinese development - represented by the J-10/10B, JF-17 and J-11B - doth not a trend make.

The key pointers to the timing at this point are mostly out of sight from the West, because they are items that can be simulated or tested on the ground. They include progress with active electronically scanned array radar, passive electronic surveillance systems and (as often mentioned) propulsion. Blog photos do not tell us very much about that kind of hardware.

Still less do they say much about the other essential element of a stealth aircraft, the complex sensor fusion and threat avoidance software that allows it to track targets with minimal transmissions while flying a precise path around planned and pop-up threats.

It is probably a safe assessment that the J-20 is the first Chinese stealth aircraft (unless it has been preceded by another, covert demonstrator), so it will be a learning tool as well as a prototype in its own right. Almost regardless of the date at which it first enters service, its capabilities will evolve as the threat does.

And do not forget the other X-factor: China's unprecedented access to foreign technical data via cyberespionage, data that can be widely disseminated without putting the intelligence system itself at risk.

As for the aircraft itself: start with the size. Capability has been favored over low unit cost. And even with the in-development 33,000-pound-thrust WS-15 it may have a lower thrust-to-weight ratio than many of its contemporaries. Relative to Typhoon or Rafale, the wing appears more highly loaded and more sharply swept, favoring speed rather than ultimate agility.

In LO terms, if this is truly a case of WYSIWYG, we are looking at a modified version of the F-22/F-35 "bowtie" signature pattern - actually a sort of Wild Bill Hickock "string tie" with the dangling strings being the rear sector.

What is interesting about this is the ATF history, where the stealth requirement started along those lines. But Lockheed and Northrop promised the full bowtie with very low rear signatures, with no performance or cost penalty, and the requirement was changed. Whether that was really a smart idea, I don't know.

What this suggests is that the Chinese expect to use this aircraft in circumstances where it can disengage, turn and run - maintaining engagement control, in short.

This isn't surprising. While the J-20's proportions may be reminiscent of the F-111, it is unlikely to have the same mission (penetrating strike). The PLA, from the antiship ballistic missile (ASBM) through air-launched cruise missiles on the 1950s-technology H-6 bomber to its Type 022 missile boats, seems happy to leave the last run to the target to the missile. Also, for the time being, the PLA is not looking at having to fight through an integrated air defense system and fight its way out again.

What the J-20 should do best is go fast, at high altitude, over a decent range - which leads to my guess is that this aircraft is primarily air-to-air, designed to cause the US really big problems with non-survivable air assets - tankers and ISR. Defending them against a rapidly developing attack by aircraft with a reduced frontal RCS would not be easy.

Range, relative positioning and initiative are the key. With a long unrefueled range and useful sustained supersonic flight (just how good it will be depends on engine data we don't have), the J-20 could hold high-value air assets too far from China to be of much use. It doesn't have to be able to mix it one-for-one with the F-22: there are not enough F-22s to defend everything at Pacific distances.

The long-range P-38 Lightning could not close-combat a Zero, but then it didn't have to - and its pilots also learned very quickly that its level and climb speed advantage permitted them to control the engagement.

Another longer-term possibility for the J-20 is a "baby Backfire" to threaten Aegis ships, another vital and limited asset, with an air launched, supersonic sea-skimmer missile - and you don't have to sink them, just use dispersed kinetic weapons or an EMP warhead to put the antennas out of service.

Both these missions fit with the anti-access/area denial (A2AD) theme that runs through a lot of PLA planning, including medium-range missile development. US freedom of operation inside the "second island chain" around China - running from Japan south to Guam and West Papua and encompassing the Philippine and China seas - depends on bases such as Andersen in Guam and Kadena in Japan, on tankers, airborne ISR and on carrier air power, and those assets increasingly support one another.

That's where an operational J-20 - whenever it appears - will generate options for the PLA and problems for its adversaries, and that is the figure of merit for any deterrent system.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest
 
Re: Chicom Stealth fighter unveiled

lol, China is finally getting operational stealth "prototypes" and meanwhile the US is very close to a viable stealth DRONE. They are always playing second fiddle, i'm not too worried about that frankenjet.

One thing I noticed though is that some features bear resemblance to the FA-22 and the F-35... which I think is proof positive that China was indeed behind the hacking & theft of many terabytes worth of data from Lockheed. Though it doesn't look like they got a whole lot of use out of it based on the rest of their plane.
 
Re: Chicom Stealth fighter unveiled

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are correct. Bush was every bit as bad.</div></div>

Typical left-coaster. Hopefully you guys will get bombed first. No loss to the rest of the country.