you noticed the Clancy look alike attack? good for you. not many people have noticed that in my experience. 1st thing i thought in truth. we are learning that it was more a CIA deal lately.
CHINA IS F###ED
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When the report says 9-11 was a "Failure of Imagination" I was ready to punch someone in the mouth.
It had been imagined just a few years earlier... along with a lot of other stuff.
But noone listens to the 'imaginative.' Such is the Dogma of "we know better."
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Hopefully, you have better luck with that than we have down here. The rule of law keeps people in line but not sure for how much longer.
I have a hard time believing what I hear in a video. I've become so skeptical of just about everything over the years. Hopefully China will blink soon, and negotiate trade agreements with the US so that way there is fairness in trade between our 2 nations. Keep in mind, supposedly China is creating propaganda videos showing that the US is in chaos right now. I look around, and I see pretty much business as usual everywhere, I don't see chaos. Isn't it reasonable to suspect the possibility that it's business as usual in China as well?
1. By being completely delusional and dismissive about the risks involved...........How do you get a factory in communist China....
It's really hard for me to have sympathy for someone from the West that built business(es) there and now is complaining because of what's happening. You could have built your factories somewhere else where the government doesn't have those pesky proclivities of "nationalizing" businesses with no compensation.
But no, the aphrodisiac of cheap labor was just too much for you. Oh, that little tidbit about a totalitarian government ? "Nahhhh, it'll never happen to me". Hard lesson to learn, hope you remember it. Who am I kidding ? It'll happen again and the fools will be lined up to get fleeced once more.
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This is what no one seems to be talking about. That is, the alternative.........
To do nothing maintains the status quo. This means that china would continue to ship cheap products to the US and all over the world, decimating the recipient countries manufacturing base(s). Once china owns the markets, they will turn around and jack up their prices by four to ten times and everyone has to pay it. china wins and everyone else loses.
The only regret that I have about Trump's Tariffs is that this wasn't done 10 or 20 years ago. It would have been less painful back then. Otherwise, I'm all in. Let's see this through and put china on their knees economically while we still can. We won't have too much longer before we can't do it/don't have enough clout.
I think you're giving the liberals in Canada too much credit. They're not smart enough to figure that out. Just like down here.
I’m, is all that going to suddenly stop working? Heavens!, does this mean that I can’t buy a new phone every year?!? How will I ever make it?!?
Boeing will have significant charge for the year.
The guy’s accent and diction from the first video needs some improvement, but damn - that’s incredibly articulate.
Wish my Cantonese was halfway as good as his English.
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Bingo. This type of reporting could possibly be 'planted' to try and turn the public against the changes. "See how much suffering you are creating for common people?!"
There is something to be said about lies and statistics.
Definitely do not believe anything you see in this regard.
What gets counted as an import? What gets counted in terms of final destination? How much of what is us exporting to ourselves?
For example if a factory in China creates a component of a larger product, that say for example, those components are exported to Malaysia for final assembly. Then say Malaysia exports the finished product to the US or Europe (a product made from components from 12 different countries). How do you count then?
What if GE makes a part in the US and ships it to GE China for further assembly, which is in turn then re-exported to somewhere else? Does China count that and if so, how?
There will definitely be blood on the streets.
But given the stupidity of modern society and the antagonism that has now reached its extreme limit...
There is even a corresponding designation of the opposing sides by colors, blue states and red. (to simplify the perception of cattle)
Political myopia, adjustment of laws, and persecution of opponents and the media burning of bridges, which makes a peaceful transfer of power impossible(fueled by Russian influence in the media and especially in social networks like here) these streets will not be in Canada.
Everything goes according to the pattern and we have seen it more than once, but not everyone survived.
It is very interesting to observe this very familiar style of the Moscow school of directing.
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Those numbers are inflated for both sides. I'd say that the China number is closer to the truth than the one for the USA.
The spaghetti bowl of economics and the chicken or the egg mixed together. Cheap labor, regulation strangulation, lack of labor, raw materials, government or something else?
The bottom line of profit margin is the only reason businesses exist.
Personally think we need to bring some of this manufactoring back to the USA, especially electronics( computer,phones,etc) and machinery (cars/heavy equipment). We need a work force that understand how to build these things and the raw materaials and spare parts that comes along with it. That knowledge base will strengthen the country.
That type of knowledge is what made the US a super power. For example the Liberty engine during WW1. They took assembly lines for automotive manufacturing and turned it into war production. Similar during WW2, if we had not had that industrial capacity, we never would have become the world power of the 20th century, because would could not have turned that chaos into our favor. If we want to keep that status we have got to keep this ability.
Definitely not giving it to the god damn CCP.
When talks and agreements break down and push comes to shove... unicorns and good vibs aren't going to stop an invading army from smashing in your skull with a rifle butt.
That type of knowledge is what made the US a super power. For example the Liberty engine during WW1. They took assembly lines for automotive manufacturing and turned it into war production. Similar during WW2, if we had not had that industrial capacity, we never would have become the world power of the 20th century, because would could not have turned that chaos into our favor. If we want to keep that status we have got to keep this ability.
Definitely not giving it to the god damn CCP.
When talks and agreements break down and push comes to shove... unicorns and good vibs aren't going to stop an invading army from smashing in your skull with a rifle butt.
Forever, any sort of dramatic political change is always top down rather than bottom up.
Fucker, write English, you barbarian.
"This will not change anything. If I was sure that you were not a Lakhtinsky bot from Olgino, we could communicate. But this is not so,so now I only watch with irony."
I agree, but we can always hope. However, hope is not much of a plan.
Don't get upset over the Troll's bullshit. Google translate. Easy enough..........
"This won't change anything.
If I were sure that you weren't a Lakhta bot from Olgino, we could communicate.
But that's not the case, so now I'm just watching with irony".
Not sure what he's getting at. And, don't really care. Doesn't look like it's even worth the bother.
edit; Looks like you got it
Yo yo! Just managed to catch up somewhat so far this morning...
It is EXTREMELY interesting how Chinese state and overseas China-oriented media like Sing Tao Daily tries to address their domestic situation without bringing up Trump at all, and leave the blaming of Trump on other events elsewhere like Canada and EU coal/gas, etc. They know that a very large portion of their population, unlike during the ultra jingoistic period of the 1970s and early 80s, WANT to have good relations with the USA and thus they are afraid of furthering angering an already wary populace by letting slip that the CCP's hardheadness is directly getting in the way of these relations. With the already severe internal pressure from "9-9-6 work culture" burnout and the growing resistance to it, and the millions of new college graduates whose degrees vastly outnumbered available careers for these degrees so they are also compelled to find factory work, only to find none at the moment, this is more pressure than even the initial COVID had brought on them.
The CCP economic policy of corraling global manufacturing under the Chinese sphere starting in the 1990s was a bold and effective get-rich-quick move for them, but they had also willingly walked right into a negative reinforcement behavioral modification system. With 90% of buyers all invested in China, even a small fraction stopping business and going elsewhere will mean that this dependent economy is facing a potential sinkhole underneath them. That translates to "stop acting the fool, play nice, or lose"...
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Normally, I would agree with you. In fact, just a few weeks ago I said that there is no way anyone will survive a trade war with the US because everyone else’s GDP is nothing compared to ours. China is the closest and is still half ours. Everyone else isn’t even in the running. However, this might be a slight miscalculation on my part as well as those in gov right now. If China was to manage to convince others around the globe to cut us out of trade completely then we would be screwed because all these normal every day things we rely on that are made somewhere else woukd no longer be available and while I 100% think we need to bring manufacturing and production back to the US, if we started today we couldn’t get things built and online fast enough. It would take 5-10 years to get anything of real value up and running here and that’s if we started today. Our gov screwed us and put us in a bad position being too reliant on these other countries long ago. Someone did a shitty job of planning ahead and it’s starting to show.
Trump is not hitting all products with tariffs from China.
AngryChinaGuy fails to realize America just had a major revolution...and it's TRUMP. He is fixing the problem via aggressive negotiation and it doesn't matter who anyone wants to blame for the trade deficit. Gotta love that Trump is convincing other countries to tariff China as well.
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I don't believe I've read that Clancy book. However, when the covid thing started, I immediately thought of Rainbow Six from Clancy.
We have been at War with China for years. Cyber War may not be hot but they have stolen more than enough of our Military Tech. Many of our Mil Tech has chips with code that can be used against us, academics that have stolen industrial and Mil secrets, hell they are in our government as well. Talk about the Manchurian Candidate.
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Last time there were protests (in Hong Kong) they released a worldwide viral pandemic to quell it……
Yep, I said it. Look at the timeline.
Rainbow Six was about a group of scientists and a handful of very rich people who wanted to create a virus to basically wipe out the majority of the earths population.
I like history too and yeah, the CCCP shit themselves when this made the news. Wuhan was the solution.
Folks have been predicting collapse of China for like past 30years , so take it with grain of salt. Besides wide sweeping exemptions (nearly half of Chinese imports) on tariffs. So it will not all just collapse , besides chinese will dodge much of it with near shoring stuff to bypas tarrifs and ultimately Trump will blink before the Chinese , not because of China but his moneyed pals applying pressure.
Note Chinese have built up global market for their product. US market makes up for some 16% of their exports compare that to 20+y ago when it was like 48% of Chinese exports , 16% (sub 10% if you count exceptions) doesn't sound like an exorbitant leverage. Besides if you google previous Trump tradewar with China ,the results were a wash paid by US consumer . Besides when it comes to trade wars there is always some lag between manufacturers and consumers feeling it. Give it a month or two .
Note Chinese have built up global market for their product. US market makes up for some 16% of their exports compare that to 20+y ago when it was like 48% of Chinese exports , 16% (sub 10% if you count exceptions) doesn't sound like an exorbitant leverage. Besides if you google previous Trump tradewar with China ,the results were a wash paid by US consumer . Besides when it comes to trade wars there is always some lag between manufacturers and consumers feeling it. Give it a month or two .
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