Yes and it’s based on common sense. How do you think these barrels might “hold up” differently than other barrels? They’re premium button rifled barrels. Don’t worry about it.
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Christensen Modern Precision Rifle
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Yes and it’s based on common sense. How do you think these barrels might “hold up” differently than other barrels? They’re premium button rifled barrels. Don’t worry about it.
Well for starters they are different construction and material than any other barrel on the market with the exception of a few. But thanks, super helpful.
They are 416R stainless. Just like Proof and many other manufacturers.
My question was genuine. I don’t know how you think these barrels will behave differently (or why).
For the exact reason stated above, they are thin SS barrels wrapped in carbon fiber. I've never had one before or even known someone that has - hence the question re: longevity. It's something different, seemed within the realm of possibility that it might behave differently. I guess you had no questions or concerns before you got one - cool.
No kidding! The options out there for us are pathetic. Even finding a quality factory hunting rifle is next to impossible. There are some amazing offerings out there for 1K if your right handed.... yet they only make lesser models in lefty.
I have tried contacting Christiansen to get a lefty 7mm.... crickets.... while they make good rifles they lack in customer service. I'll spend my blood soaked dollars somewhere else.
Do you guys know if I can order a 20" 6.5 PRC barrel on the MPR? I know it's not a factory option but I didn't know if they would do semi custom offerings like that.
I made a video with some of my initial impression of the MPR prior to shooting it in the Vortex Extreme Challenge last weekend. I saw at least one other MPR and a couple other Christensen Arms rifles in the match.
Colohunter thanks for that video. Could I ask you (or anybody who owns one) to comment on the action?
I just received my MPR 6.5 Creedmore. I have yet to scope and shoot it. In un-boxing it, I have cycled the action several times and I am quite disappointed. It is a little rattly and quite raspy. Feels like I'm running a file in the action. It also has a slight hang up just before the bolt root hits home when closing. I can easily see the machine grooves with a small magnifying glass and they are rubbing each other. I've Never been able to see machining grooves in an action before.
I watched closely in your video above at 2:18 when you chambered a round that you had a slight hesitation trying to finish the chambering. Does it do that a lot?
Maybe rattly, rough actions are the price we have to pay for light weight guns, or maybe mine is a one-off factory defect. It feels like an unfinished gun. Granted I bought the rifle to launch bullets, not to cycle the action, but frankly I have never felt such a lousy action on any rifle.
I'd like to hear how anyone else feels theirs cycles.
I just received my MPR 6.5 Creedmore. I have yet to scope and shoot it. In un-boxing it, I have cycled the action several times and I am quite disappointed. It is a little rattly and quite raspy. Feels like I'm running a file in the action. It also has a slight hang up just before the bolt root hits home when closing. I can easily see the machine grooves with a small magnifying glass and they are rubbing each other. I've Never been able to see machining grooves in an action before.
I watched closely in your video above at 2:18 when you chambered a round that you had a slight hesitation trying to finish the chambering. Does it do that a lot?
Maybe rattly, rough actions are the price we have to pay for light weight guns, or maybe mine is a one-off factory defect. It feels like an unfinished gun. Granted I bought the rifle to launch bullets, not to cycle the action, but frankly I have never felt such a lousy action on any rifle.
I'd like to hear how anyone else feels theirs cycles.
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The MPR has lots of things going for it. A super slick action is not one of them. Mine was rough out of the box, but certainly not the worst I’ve felt.
I have about 300 rounds on mine and about as many dry fires/cycles and it’s smoothed out a bit. But it’s still “loose”.
My action isn't completely smooth, but it is far from the worst that I have felt. It started out rougher, but after a little over 200 rounds and at least as many dry fires it feels smoother than when I bought it. I have noticed that it feels a little bit sloppy running down the rails, which prevents it from binding at least. I would rate it as much better than my Ruger Precision Rifle, just slightly better than my factory Remington Action with about 2500 rounds through it, but not as good as a custom or high end action.
The slight issue with chambering was from some early reloads that I did. I realized after loading them that they were fired in a Ruger Precision Rifle and then neck sized. That brass was already processed and sitting around ready to load when I picked up the MPR and I wasn't even thinking about the neck vs full length resize for a new gun.
The slight issue with chambering was from some early reloads that I did. I realized after loading them that they were fired in a Ruger Precision Rifle and then neck sized. That brass was already processed and sitting around ready to load when I picked up the MPR and I wasn't even thinking about the neck vs full length resize for a new gun.
Shot these today with my 6.5 PRC at 650 (in 15-20mp wind) with Hornady factory 147 ELD match.
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dirthead, you and I may have actions that came from from a bad batch, or that got past a rookie inspector? I know some about machining from a few years on CNC's making aircraft parts, but don't know much about a gun factory and how they operate. What I do know it that it's unacceptable to leave CNC machine grooves unfinished on parts that rub each other and call it complete.
Yesterday I went to a gun shop who has the only MPR that I could find in Billings. I cycled the action and it was as smooth as one should expect on a higher-end rifle. This was a .338, though, so maybe the action is an entirely different one. I don't know if CA makes all their own actions. Or if they do, maybe bigger and smaller calibers are different divisions of the factory?
Based on my trial yesterday and the answers above from Colohunter and Aaron who say their MPR actions are not this bad, I'm sticking to my bad batch theory and my rifle is on its way back to CA. I'll post here when I get it back, which they said could be as soon as 4 weeks, although they only promise 8 weeks.
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I'll say again - Christensen's customer service has been A-1 so far. They answered quickly, spent some time on the phone with me, listened to my e-mailed video, sent me a prepaid fedex shipping label, and assigned me a knowledgable contact person to deal with directly while my "case" is active.
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For those who asked in the past. Christensen sent out an email today that they now sell their chassis. It has an MSRP of $1,095.
Nice that they're selling it separately. now just need to find a decent price on them as $1095 seems a bit high.
Well I've got my Bighorn origin, it's in a bravo now and I'm giving it some time to decide where it will go from there. At this price point though, I'm thinking MPA, XLR and MDT all have It beat. Probably headed to an MDT. If this was $750-800 it may have a better shot.
Edit: website shows its 3.3lbs minimum.
I have a MPR in 300 PRC due in by Friday, couldn't resist the sale Euro had going... Can't wait to hold her and see what she is capable of. Will report.
Might want to check out the new Element 3.0! Can get a complete chassis system for $200 cheaper and have it weigh almost 2 pounds lighter! Of if you want if heavier there are options to do so.
OK I said I would report back . . .
First the good part - CA sent my rifile back. Replaced the action with a new one. They said they would try to do it as soon as four weeks and they did it in two weeks - very good. They cleaned and did a "final" inspection.
Now the bad part - little to no improvement in the raspy sound - still sounds like I'm filing metal. If this is just what you have to accept in a lightweight aluminum rifle, then I have lost interest in the rifle.
I'm not really down on Christensen; I'm just perplexed after trying out a .338 MPR at my local sporting goods; its action was beautiful.
Granted, I bought the MPR to launch projectiles, not to cycle the action over and over, but for this kind of money I expect better moving parts.
Picked up a MPR chambered in 300 PRC from EO about two weeks ago, and have been disappointed. FYI my first Christensen rifle.
I broke it in the first weekend of having the gun using Christensen's break in steps on their website and 4 boxes of Hornady 225 ELDM and 212 ELDX. Throughout the entire break in process it never printed under 1 MOA and hovered around 2-3 MOA (forgot to take pictures). I was not immediately discouraged as sometimes it can take a while to tighten up throughout breaking in...but it didnt. So I give it one last cleaning and put it up.
Fast forward to this past weekend. I take it out to shoot and go to check torque on the scope bases and scope rail and notice one of the four rail screws had sheared off (partly my fault as I should have checked the torque on these before installing scope). So I'm thinking that this has to be causing the accuracy issue. I go ahead and tighten down the three remaining screws to 25 in-lbs and put the NF NXS back on it to see if it will group any better. NOPE, did not help at all. I did get one group at 1.1 MOA, but that is the best I have seen and haven't been able to duplicate. FYI I shot 5 shot strings with about 15 mins in between each. Ammo was 212 ELDX or 225 ELDM, the only factory 300 PRC ammo available.
FYI I have been shooting it with a SiCo Omega, I tried it w/o and same results.
It's very hard to spend $2k+ on a rifle and to see it shoot 2-3 MOA groups. Has anybody seen accuracy issues like this from Christensen? I will be calling them today to see if I can send the rifle in, will report on what they say.
Attached is 4 of the groups.
I broke it in the first weekend of having the gun using Christensen's break in steps on their website and 4 boxes of Hornady 225 ELDM and 212 ELDX. Throughout the entire break in process it never printed under 1 MOA and hovered around 2-3 MOA (forgot to take pictures). I was not immediately discouraged as sometimes it can take a while to tighten up throughout breaking in...but it didnt. So I give it one last cleaning and put it up.
Fast forward to this past weekend. I take it out to shoot and go to check torque on the scope bases and scope rail and notice one of the four rail screws had sheared off (partly my fault as I should have checked the torque on these before installing scope). So I'm thinking that this has to be causing the accuracy issue. I go ahead and tighten down the three remaining screws to 25 in-lbs and put the NF NXS back on it to see if it will group any better. NOPE, did not help at all. I did get one group at 1.1 MOA, but that is the best I have seen and haven't been able to duplicate. FYI I shot 5 shot strings with about 15 mins in between each. Ammo was 212 ELDX or 225 ELDM, the only factory 300 PRC ammo available.
FYI I have been shooting it with a SiCo Omega, I tried it w/o and same results.
It's very hard to spend $2k+ on a rifle and to see it shoot 2-3 MOA groups. Has anybody seen accuracy issues like this from Christensen? I will be calling them today to see if I can send the rifle in, will report on what they say.
Attached is 4 of the groups.
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What came out of this? Did they ask you to send rifle in for them to check out?
I have the MPR in 300 PRC and it uses Accurate Mags 300 RUM magazines.
I have been on the fence for awhile now about the MPR. I spoke with Tyler at EO last week. I just haven’t really seen anything good about them. I like the feel and look of the rifle but I want one will that will shoot as advertised.
I’m not going to purchase one. I’m upgrading my Ruger PR instead with a Proof Research barrel.
Future purchase will depend also on how they handle this and what the issue was/is...
I’m not going to purchase one. I’m upgrading my Ruger PR instead with a Proof Research barrel.
Future purchase will depend also on how they handle this and what the issue was/is...
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You’ve made up your mind, but I have to ask, how haven’t you seen “anything good about them”? This thread has lots of happy MPR owners. Myself included.
Yes MPRs can have issues, just like any rifle, but CA’s customer service is great.
I posted this on a different thread when Aaron asked, but that thread was about just the MPR chassis, so since I started here I'll post where I was before. If you already read that, just pass . . .
I said I would report back on my second return. The rifle came back two days ago.
On my first send-back, they replaced the action. Fast, attentive, and efficient service. Zero cost to me other than lost shooting time and trips to Fed ex. No result at all - I had the same issue with the new action.
So I sent it back a second time. Again quick, easy, friendly, and no cost to me. Got it back two days ago with oil all over it.
CA can't or won't fix it, they ran the bolt and - get this - have actually told me to I need use more grease and try holding different finger pressure on the bolt handle so it doesn't rub as much!! Which only means they have acknowledged its a problem. They said it's "normal" and will wear-in with use. I don't know whether their answer is more insulting or laughable. Maybe I need to hold my mouth right too.
This is supposed to be a premium "precision" rifle and it was not cheap. Unfinished machining passed off as complete is just unacceptable; why should I trust the chambering, extractor, or any other part of the construction? "Premium" actions are not to be "worn-in"! OK, how many rounds does an average hunter and hobby shooter and hunter shoot in a year? 200? 300? So if I put on a movie or baseball game and just sit there cycling 20 or 30 magazines through it, it will act like it was supposed to when they finished it?
If cycling is their designated finishing process, why don't they cycle it 200-300 times before they pass it off as a finished rifle?!?! What about the clearance after the CNC grooves have worn away - how sloppy will it be then? My go-to gunsmith and custom rifle maker just laughed when he inspected the action. He said if he tried to lap the CNC grooves off like they should be, it would open the clearance and then it would be rattly instead of raspy.
I can't return it, so I'm just gonna have to take a loss selling it I won't try to hide the condition. CA does say on paper that they are happy with it, so I wouldn't be selling a defective rifle. I am not going to keep a "premium" precision rifle with doubts, that I don't look forward to shooting. Maybe I can sell the chassis and barrel.
I guess I still say that CA's service procedure and timeliness was quite good, I'd even use the word impressive; unfortunately it's not enough to make up for what they should do in the first place.
I have tried two other new MPR's at gun shops, both magnums - 338 and 300, and they cycle quite nicely. Also I see lots of good comments about MPR's above. On the other hand, since buying mine, I've read several shooter forums and talked with two dealers who say CA used to be very good but has developed a hit-or-miss reputation now that they are pressured for volume sales.
I don't mean to insult any CA owners; if you got a "hit" - great for you. Not me - I got a "miss".
I said I would report back on my second return. The rifle came back two days ago.
On my first send-back, they replaced the action. Fast, attentive, and efficient service. Zero cost to me other than lost shooting time and trips to Fed ex. No result at all - I had the same issue with the new action.
So I sent it back a second time. Again quick, easy, friendly, and no cost to me. Got it back two days ago with oil all over it.
CA can't or won't fix it, they ran the bolt and - get this - have actually told me to I need use more grease and try holding different finger pressure on the bolt handle so it doesn't rub as much!! Which only means they have acknowledged its a problem. They said it's "normal" and will wear-in with use. I don't know whether their answer is more insulting or laughable. Maybe I need to hold my mouth right too.
This is supposed to be a premium "precision" rifle and it was not cheap. Unfinished machining passed off as complete is just unacceptable; why should I trust the chambering, extractor, or any other part of the construction? "Premium" actions are not to be "worn-in"! OK, how many rounds does an average hunter and hobby shooter and hunter shoot in a year? 200? 300? So if I put on a movie or baseball game and just sit there cycling 20 or 30 magazines through it, it will act like it was supposed to when they finished it?
If cycling is their designated finishing process, why don't they cycle it 200-300 times before they pass it off as a finished rifle?!?! What about the clearance after the CNC grooves have worn away - how sloppy will it be then? My go-to gunsmith and custom rifle maker just laughed when he inspected the action. He said if he tried to lap the CNC grooves off like they should be, it would open the clearance and then it would be rattly instead of raspy.
I can't return it, so I'm just gonna have to take a loss selling it I won't try to hide the condition. CA does say on paper that they are happy with it, so I wouldn't be selling a defective rifle. I am not going to keep a "premium" precision rifle with doubts, that I don't look forward to shooting. Maybe I can sell the chassis and barrel.
I guess I still say that CA's service procedure and timeliness was quite good, I'd even use the word impressive; unfortunately it's not enough to make up for what they should do in the first place.
I have tried two other new MPR's at gun shops, both magnums - 338 and 300, and they cycle quite nicely. Also I see lots of good comments about MPR's above. On the other hand, since buying mine, I've read several shooter forums and talked with two dealers who say CA used to be very good but has developed a hit-or-miss reputation now that they are pressured for volume sales.
I don't mean to insult any CA owners; if you got a "hit" - great for you. Not me - I got a "miss".
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Man I feel for you, hopefully they treat me better than that...
That is very unfortunate that CA would call that raspy action as "okay" in their book, that goes to show you what their QA/QC standards are like. They should have held their ego and just replaced the action all together.
Off note, how was the accuracy from your MPR?
Don't know because I avoided shooting until I tried to fix it. I thought it might return or sell easier if it was new. I'm not going to go to the trouble of mounting and zeroing a scope on an incomplete rifle.
Shot a nice 5 point whitetail yesterday with my 6.5 PRC using 147 Match at 420 yards. Bullet turned his lungs into mush and stopped inside the hide trying to exit. Very happy with the rifle.
Accuracy has been great. Consistently 0.75-.05 MOA.
i have been very tempted to get a 338 lapua mpr for a few months now but havent had a chance to lay hands on one locally i definitely don't need a 338 but the itch is bad
I was very interested in this gun till I seen they don't offer a 7mm cal. Also the chassis doesn't look like I could shoot as I shoot right handed rifles left handed. (Always have) Also all the action issues doesn't sit well.
I shot a nice whitetail near Peck last year.
Is your rifle in the photo still aimed at the buck? Was he near the lower left far edge of the stubble?
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