Hopefully this won't go any further. The officer keeps it covered while on duty. But that probably won't be good enough for the snowflakes up there.
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Hopefully this won't go any further. The officer keeps it covered while on duty. But that probably won't be good enough for the snowflakes up there.
Michael Weinstein.
That should explain the situation.
That should explain the situation.
Very very real. Almlst got denied reenlistment for having the 1st Mar Div sbiper employment symbol and some folks tried to say it was bolts. It wasn't. At all. Snipers are the black sheep of the infantry though.
If all things were right in this world he'd be scooped up with Soros as an Enemy of America.
I’d tactfully say F them, but I don’t have SS on my arm. I think the first amendment should cover it, also in Asia the nazi swatstika means hope, SS isn’t copy righted by Germany bht it is buy chevy. I think people need thicker skins.
There was a big hub bub here a few years back about it. Its been a while and I don't remember how it ended but I know people's emotions were getting heated.
First, Nat is a stand up guy. Neither he nor any other HOG out there is a Nazi, bolts or not. We would all gladly time machine back to the glory days of killing evil fucks and infiltrate Germany just to add a Hitler or Himmler type to the retired kill card stack. Me personally, I’d gladly kill any neo-Nazi in America right the fuck now if I could not go to jail for it. I savor my freedom and I don’t do boxes or dudes.
Second, I find it incredibly laughable and disgusting that a self described civil rights group for first amendment right is infringing via lawsuit on another’s first amendment civil rights. What in the royal fuck is that bullshit? Harvey’s brother and his whole organization can take their own hateful and bigoted rhetoric and go fuck themselves.
I personally never cared for the bolts, much preferring the tribal style “SS” in my avatar pic which were designed by a friend of mine and fully adopted later by the HOG community, but I also know it’s the meaning of the ink when they get it that counts. Bolts don’t make any more a Nazi out of a HOG than they do out of Gene Simmons from KISS.
Second, I find it incredibly laughable and disgusting that a self described civil rights group for first amendment right is infringing via lawsuit on another’s first amendment civil rights. What in the royal fuck is that bullshit? Harvey’s brother and his whole organization can take their own hateful and bigoted rhetoric and go fuck themselves.
I personally never cared for the bolts, much preferring the tribal style “SS” in my avatar pic which were designed by a friend of mine and fully adopted later by the HOG community, but I also know it’s the meaning of the ink when they get it that counts. Bolts don’t make any more a Nazi out of a HOG than they do out of Gene Simmons from KISS.
And to top it off, I believe Gene is Jewish
Simmons is, Paul Stanley is, Eric Singer's father was "of German Jewish descent", and Bruce Kulick is. They know what it looks like. They use it anyway.
Yep. I remember a guy having to go through that shit...really got to him. He was really having a hard time understanding why people we're giving them flak for it. Of course it didn't help when I asked him why he hated Jews... LOL. Well I know that wasn't the intent as well as everybody else that he worked with, the general public are taught something else. My suggestion was to get a kiss tattoo... if I remember correctly he did just that.
Can't get mad at the general population that simply doesn't have the education you do. And really, kind of got to give them a brake a bit since they are taught nothing but symbols of hatred for their whole life.
Does this mean I have to scrap my Meat Tag off my side, that was copied from the SS too ...
Fuck them,
Fuck them,
There are a LOT of symbols that can be used by both the Good and the Evil.
Here’s one used by Japanese long before a version of it became the Socialist Nazi symbol:
It’s on a shrine in Kyoto, a UN Heritage Site.
Here’s one used by Japanese long before a version of it became the Socialist Nazi symbol:
It’s on a shrine in Kyoto, a UN Heritage Site.
What happened to "my body, my choice"?
What's next? Some feels skulls are offensive so everyone with a skull tat has to get it covered.
Sorry my shit offend you but you can piss off.
What's next? Some feels skulls are offensive so everyone with a skull tat has to get it covered.
Sorry my shit offend you but you can piss off.
While this doesn’t apply to this particular situation, you’d better believe any LEO with Nazi affections and/or tattoos needs to go... period.
I’m pretty sure you weren’t saying anything like that, but it needs to be clearly spelled out. You can be a Nazi, have Nazi tats, attend Nazi rallies, but any and all of that automatically disqualifies you for any public office or service.
It's not a NAZI Tattoo you asshole, it's a Scout Sniper Tat, that just happens to use the Runes for Scout Sniper
Scout Snipers appropriated a lot of WWII German iconology which the Germans appropriated before us, they date back to the Roman Era
They took it, then we took it,
The Runes, The underarm Meat Tags, the Kopfjager (headhunter) , all those were appropriated.
Icons and Iconology go back a long way,
Iconology is a method of interpretation in cultural history and the history of the visual arts used by Aby Warburg, Erwin Panofsky and their followers that uncovers the cultural, social, and historical background of themes and subjects in the visual arts.
See that word, History, I don't see anything negative in it, only what you apply to it
Runes,
Runes are the letters in a set of related alphabets known as runic alphabets, which were used to write various Germanic languages before the adoption of the Latin alphabet and for specialised purposes thereafter. The Scandinavian variants are also known as futhark or fuþark (derived from their first six letters of the alphabet: F, U, Þ, A, R, and K); the Anglo-Saxon variant is futhorc or fuþorc (due to sound-changes undergone in Old English by the names of those six letters).
Runology is the study of the runic alphabets, runic inscriptions, runestones, and their history. Runology forms a specialised branch of Germanic linguistics.
The earliest runic inscriptions date from around 150 AD. The characters were generally replaced by the Latin alphabet as the cultures that had used runes underwent Christianisation, by approximately 700 AD in central Europe and 1100 AD in northern Europe. However, the use of runes persisted for specialized purposes in northern Europe. Until the early 20th century, runes were used in rural Sweden for decorative purposes in Dalarna and on Runic calendars.
Last I checked, Hitler was not born in 150AD
Runes are the letters in a set of related alphabets known as runic alphabets, which were used to write various Germanic languages before the adoption of the Latin alphabet and for specialised purposes thereafter. The Scandinavian variants are also known as futhark or fuþark (derived from their first six letters of the alphabet: F, U, Þ, A, R, and K); the Anglo-Saxon variant is futhorc or fuþorc (due to sound-changes undergone in Old English by the names of those six letters).
Runology is the study of the runic alphabets, runic inscriptions, runestones, and their history. Runology forms a specialised branch of Germanic linguistics.
The earliest runic inscriptions date from around 150 AD. The characters were generally replaced by the Latin alphabet as the cultures that had used runes underwent Christianisation, by approximately 700 AD in central Europe and 1100 AD in northern Europe. However, the use of runes persisted for specialized purposes in northern Europe. Until the early 20th century, runes were used in rural Sweden for decorative purposes in Dalarna and on Runic calendars.
Last I checked, Hitler was not born in 150AD
A tattoo on the ribs to help identify a body of no other means of identification are left.
While the Germans tattooed Jews for identification on their arms, they also serialized and Tattooed the SS Under their arms.
I don't know about the guys today, but I was pretty close to a 1st Gen after the schools permanently opened in the USMC. My class was in 1986. We did not wear dog tags because they pulled and broke, when low crawling, but you still needed to be identified in an emergency, say a helicopter crash.
A meat tag is a tattooed dog tag under your arm which copied the German SS
Please re-read my post and use rational thought.
I never said it was a Nazi tattoo. In fact, I specifically stated the opposite.
Awaiting apology.
But here's exactly the problem today. People want one thing while denying another. Liberal women say my body my choice on abortion but then want to tell people what they can't have on their body.
What if I have a Confederate Battle Flag on my back?
What if I have a thin blue line on my wrist? In this era, that would be very taboo and could make someone feel threatened.
It's no bodies business what ink I put on my body as long as its covered up while I'm representing a department. Otherwise, they can fuck off.
That’s blurring the issue. Body art is one thing, but it is often, if not almost always, representative of ideology. If you’re a Nazi and tatted-up with Nazi symbols (again, which Nat is NOT, for those with reading comprehension issues among us), then you do NOT get to be a cop.
Period.
There should be zero disagreement or dissent on this. Nazis don’t get to be LEOs or hold public office.
Enjoy the private sector all you want.
Communists hold public office and are in law enforcement. They’ve killed Jews, Christians, Muslims, and many others, and many tens of millions than Nazis did, and are still at it to this day. We’ve gone to war with them twice in major ways, and in far more small wars to count.
So why do they get a pass and Nazis do not? Aren’t they every bit as evil?
So why do they get a pass and Nazis do not? Aren’t they every bit as evil?
Please re-read my post and use rational thought.
I never said it was a Nazi tattoo. In fact, I specifically stated the opposite.
Awaiting apology.
Apology Fuck you
Show me the widespread Nazi rallies we have, outside of the blues brothers
You're implying it's nazi, by pretending we have a widespread Nazi problem in this country
you don't know the difference, and the little tap dance you are doing asking people to recognize Nazis among us is bullshit, it's tiny and obvious not some widespread problem
Before you get an apology, you'll get tossed out the door
Gotta love the mindreaders out there, who never served a day in their life trying to apply their limited understanding to our motivations
We can separate the politics of war, life, etc with the military machines built to serve of which we served. The military is not the political class and the political class is the problem. They know this, so they want to blame the military for doing their jobs as ordered by the politics of the time. It's deflection by the politicians, which are you buying into. Don't look at the pot we are stirring, look at the icon on his sleeve.
The German military was so feared, so effective WE, the United States, and Others, imported their architects like Von Braun to enhance our own. Our grandfathers knew success when they saw it, and when able to separate the man from the politics went out of their way to bring those resources to the US. They hung the political class that ran the German military and shielded the brilliant minds to use as our own.
If our German iconology is racists, so is NASA, our entire space program succeeded because of NAZIs. Instead of vilifying the process, look at what it produced. Just look at the Space Station and everything that represents, it's roots come from Von Braun, and our ability to change the narrative.
The Army uses patches to create cliques, each patch represents a unit, the USMC has no such designation. Instead we keep it veiled, mostly out of public sight, but with social media, nothing is public. It's a way to identify each of our own. The Air force does the same with their patches, however since we didn't wear them, we wore them forever.
This bullshit is manufactured to point to conservatives as racists, which has nothing to do with it. I am 5ft Fucking 2, with dark hair (no hair actually ) and Brown eyes. I can trace my heritage back to the days of Rome and Caesars. My Great Grandfather fought in WWI for the US, and my other Grandfather left Italy when the fascists took power in the 1930s. So to say I have a German-inspired tatts because I am racist is the failings of assholes.
When was the last time you saw a clan parade, a nazi rally, maybe the 70s, a hint in the 80s, but after that, the country moved on. Why bring it back, because the Left's politics have nothing else to work with, but divide and conquer.
We Are All MARINES, Dark or Light,
Here is a portion of STA 1/2 when we were assigned to MAGTF 2-88, which ones are the Nazis,
We can separate the politics of war, life, etc with the military machines built to serve of which we served. The military is not the political class and the political class is the problem. They know this, so they want to blame the military for doing their jobs as ordered by the politics of the time. It's deflection by the politicians, which are you buying into. Don't look at the pot we are stirring, look at the icon on his sleeve.
The German military was so feared, so effective WE, the United States, and Others, imported their architects like Von Braun to enhance our own. Our grandfathers knew success when they saw it, and when able to separate the man from the politics went out of their way to bring those resources to the US. They hung the political class that ran the German military and shielded the brilliant minds to use as our own.
If our German iconology is racists, so is NASA, our entire space program succeeded because of NAZIs. Instead of vilifying the process, look at what it produced. Just look at the Space Station and everything that represents, it's roots come from Von Braun, and our ability to change the narrative.
The Army uses patches to create cliques, each patch represents a unit, the USMC has no such designation. Instead we keep it veiled, mostly out of public sight, but with social media, nothing is public. It's a way to identify each of our own. The Air force does the same with their patches, however since we didn't wear them, we wore them forever.
This bullshit is manufactured to point to conservatives as racists, which has nothing to do with it. I am 5ft Fucking 2, with dark hair (no hair actually ) and Brown eyes. I can trace my heritage back to the days of Rome and Caesars. My Great Grandfather fought in WWI for the US, and my other Grandfather left Italy when the fascists took power in the 1930s. So to say I have a German-inspired tatts because I am racist is the failings of assholes.
When was the last time you saw a clan parade, a nazi rally, maybe the 70s, a hint in the 80s, but after that, the country moved on. Why bring it back, because the Left's politics have nothing else to work with, but divide and conquer.
We Are All MARINES, Dark or Light,
Here is a portion of STA 1/2 when we were assigned to MAGTF 2-88, which ones are the Nazis,
Dont know why he removed it but mortarman in WPNS 3/8 decided he wanted to remove his ID/blood group tattoo while in Oki circa 1987.
81s had a pretty high speed Corpsman that was undergoing the SEALs process and offered to help him out with the med bag surgery to remove it and stitch him back up.
Unsure what they did with the removed skin. It must of been successful because he never got any NJP for lost time or treatment of a serious infection.
Ive read history where USArmy would check specifically for the blood group tattoo to identify SS members. It wasnt 100 percent but enough members had it that it was a litmus test trait.
Most USMC versions I saw were SSN with blood group underneath.
Read another account from a Holocaust survivor where he reported that when at the beach he would on occasion see Germans of his generation with a scar under the arm on the rib cage and he would know there was an SS man.
Probably not a bad ID method in the era before DNA.
Apparently torsos and boots remain pretty intact when met with big explosive forces.
I opted for the dog tag in the boot laces.
Just because evil used something should we forever abandon the practice even if it is successful?
Few years ago my kids school wanted to introduce a teaching method pioneered by a man called Lev Vygotsky. The method is called "Tools of the Mind".
To me it sounded like inmates running the asylum.
Research Lev Vygotsky.
He pioneered his method hoping it to be the adopted by the leaders of the Russian Revolution. He was gaining traction until Stalin found out about his Jewish background and sidelined him.
Strange that methods of some tyrants are acceptable but others not so.
I saw using Lev Vygotsky as akin to teaching Joseph Mengele in med school.
The Left is the one seeing color,
Take Colin Kapernick, they want him to play at the highest level of football despite the fact he is a mediocre player. As part of his brand, which he knew was weak, he decided to insert politics into his gameplay. When his gameplay did not match his value he was cut and the left cried foul.
in the Marines, we don't say, He is a dark green Marine so he can't be in recon, why because of the water. Instead, the Marines toss everyone in the pool equally and those who swim to the side get moved forward, those who sink and can't swim get some remedial training and moved to the back of the line. However, if the left ever saw the shallow end of the pool they would scream racism.
We are just a shade of light green and dark green, but we are all Marines.
Those who have to say, but the Black Player was treated unfairly, instead of saying the player, are the problem. We dont' care what color you are, we care if you can do your damn job.
Fuck racism, try being 5" tall in this man's game, but since I am not a protected class of people I am fair game. I saw an article on Huffington Post, which appeared in my Google News Feed. It was from a woman who was 5ft and felt oppressed by her size. She documented her treatment that pales in comparison to my own life.
Bottom line, do your fucking job, if you do your job everything works out in the end. I didn't use my size as excuse, it was an obstacle to overcome. I had to do my job, I ran the same distance, carried the same weight, shot the same scores as everyone in that picture. Do your fucking job.
Today, do your job means, dont break the law, if you do something wrong or worth a citation dont start a fight with the guy giving you a ticket. Politicians run the police departments. They make the rules the police enforce. Their previous fears and biases created the policies they complain about today. Nobody in a job says, Gee, I would like to my job harder, given to their own devices they will do less and work easier. it's the politics of it that says, No you have to do this, now that the world is watching they want to deflect from the truth, they wrote the laws and asked people to enforce them.
Marines saw this, well before the political class, the Runes gave way to the Trible symbol, because in the 90s when we had the first Black President, we moved from the SS to the Trible logo, progress one gave away to the other.
We still show respect to the heritage, but we do it in a different way
The SS is staring you in the face, and I have it on my hand so fuck those who don't understand
Take Colin Kapernick, they want him to play at the highest level of football despite the fact he is a mediocre player. As part of his brand, which he knew was weak, he decided to insert politics into his gameplay. When his gameplay did not match his value he was cut and the left cried foul.
in the Marines, we don't say, He is a dark green Marine so he can't be in recon, why because of the water. Instead, the Marines toss everyone in the pool equally and those who swim to the side get moved forward, those who sink and can't swim get some remedial training and moved to the back of the line. However, if the left ever saw the shallow end of the pool they would scream racism.
We are just a shade of light green and dark green, but we are all Marines.
Those who have to say, but the Black Player was treated unfairly, instead of saying the player, are the problem. We dont' care what color you are, we care if you can do your damn job.
Fuck racism, try being 5" tall in this man's game, but since I am not a protected class of people I am fair game. I saw an article on Huffington Post, which appeared in my Google News Feed. It was from a woman who was 5ft and felt oppressed by her size. She documented her treatment that pales in comparison to my own life.
Bottom line, do your fucking job, if you do your job everything works out in the end. I didn't use my size as excuse, it was an obstacle to overcome. I had to do my job, I ran the same distance, carried the same weight, shot the same scores as everyone in that picture. Do your fucking job.
Today, do your job means, dont break the law, if you do something wrong or worth a citation dont start a fight with the guy giving you a ticket. Politicians run the police departments. They make the rules the police enforce. Their previous fears and biases created the policies they complain about today. Nobody in a job says, Gee, I would like to my job harder, given to their own devices they will do less and work easier. it's the politics of it that says, No you have to do this, now that the world is watching they want to deflect from the truth, they wrote the laws and asked people to enforce them.
Marines saw this, well before the political class, the Runes gave way to the Trible symbol, because in the 90s when we had the first Black President, we moved from the SS to the Trible logo, progress one gave away to the other.
We still show respect to the heritage, but we do it in a different way
The SS is staring you in the face, and I have it on my hand so fuck those who don't understand
Lol. You talk about “implied” and then go on to condemn the “mind readers.”
PM me your mailing address. I’ll send you a free mirror.
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if that was your takeaway to all that, truly, fuck off ...
if that was your takeaway to all that, truly, fuck off ...
I have a very old copy of Rudyard Kipling's Just So Stories. The binding features a swastika, a symbol Kipling adopted from the Hindus and used on his book covers. He did, however, declare that his books should no longer bear the swastika after the Nazis rose to power in the years just before his death, because he objected to their perversion of the symbol.
@ggmanning To follow up on this, the Waffen-SS tattoo was only of their blood group, since at the time it was required for a Wehrmacht/SS soldier to carry his dog tag (which was considerably sturdier than the ones used by the US) and his Soldbuch (his pay book containing a photograph, ID information, and his pay records) at all times for identification. The purpose was that an injured soldier in need of blood would have a near-immediate way of providing his blood type if he was unable to speak or if his other ID was missing. The practice of tattooing SS personnel declined as the war progressed, though, and not all SS personnel had one despite it being required.
Thanks....did some reading up after Frank's post. Familiar with a lot of the SS imagery, fartharc and runes from self interest in a Norse/Irish ancestry. Followed that up with reading about the blood type tats. Interesting stuff. Appreciate the leads.
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