Re: CouldWar w/ Iran be Bloodiest Conflict Since WWII?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Finris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I put some of that together half asleep.
China: they have a huge army 5 million man standing not counting reserves if I remember. Let me remind those of you who seem to think China wont confront the US militarily. Korea, 500,000 Chinese soldiers. Yes China’s military is hampered by soviet style doctrine. How many waves of Chinese troops did it take to take a better trained and equipped US position? The Germans during WW2 had the best trained and equipped military in the world at that time. The Soviets just kept sending waves of troops to the front. <span style="color: #FF0000">We all know the Germans lost and it wasn’t due to a lack of effort. The Soviets over whelmed them with troops, </span> and if you are losing more people than you can replace you will lose. (Eventually).
China has bought lots of Russian equipment. They reverse engineer it and manufacture it themselves. Yes on the outside the aircraft carrier looks like junk, but what is inside? The Chinese submarine fleet of Russian attack subs, very scary. The boat captains were all trained by the British at their Navy school for sub captains. Most people in the world know how big a mistake it would be to underestimate China.
Russia: They have made their position on Iran clear. If Iran is attacked Russia will consider it and attack on Russia itself! Russia has already sold everything on the Iranian wish list. Why? Simple Russia makes too much money on Iran. The real kicker here is no one is worried about the US military due to the weak POTUS that is in charge now. The Russians know that they have a chance to grab a sphere of influence while the US is under weak management.
Iran: Air force not so good. Anti aircraft teams have top of the line Russian equipment and were trained in Russia, and are good. Navy well not so good either. Missile technology, very good. Thanks you Russia and China. Terrorist groups that take orders from Iran are quite good, at being terrorists. I’m hoping that some of the older crowd remembers the Beirut Marine barracks bombing. Hezbollah (party of G-D) a Shia terror group that is ran, trained and equipped by Iran. Army is better than the Iraqi military and Afghanistan military after 10 years of US equipment and training. Please don’t forget the mentality of these people. During the Iran Iraq war the Iranian army use to go by soccer fields and gather up all the children so they could help demine areas. “Run children run” well that area is much more safe for our troops now!
Those who like to say how the US navy is invincible. I would like to remind you of the Falklands war. The British Navy had no respect for the Argentineans navy. Well unbeknown to the British the Argentineans had purchased anti ship missiles. How many ships did the British navy loose?
Suez Canal is kind of narrow and so is the Strait of Hormuz. I wonder how many anti ship missiles it would take for the US navy to get the hint. Probably nothing due to the current POTUS not allowing the US military to be involved.
Bottom line: Iran knows they have to have the bomb before the US president changes. Israel will have to deal with them before they get there. The US will not be involved. After Israel hits and deals with Iran they will be in a full scale all out war. Hezbollah in Lebanon and maybe even Syria, Egypt will have to help their Arabs brothers and Israel will have to deal with the Arab fifth column inside Israel.
The Chinese will probably not involve themselves in at this time. The Russians have a large navy contingent ported in Syria, and are providing weapons and may even attempt to put up a naval blockade of Israel. The Russian army doesn’t have enough transports to put any real number of troops on the ground. Turkey has been getting and selling things to Iran will they help or won’t they hard to say.
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Thats not exactly true. IMHO, and from what Ive studied about the history, the real reason the Germans lost was more due to the Russian winter, and Hitler's insanity. Had he layed back and played his card wisely, waited til spring to attack Russia, it would have been a different story. And had he not lost the war there, its unlikely the allies would have been sucessful at Normandy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Finris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I put some of that together half asleep.
China: they have a huge army 5 million man standing not counting reserves if I remember. Let me remind those of you who seem to think China wont confront the US militarily. Korea, 500,000 Chinese soldiers. Yes China’s military is hampered by soviet style doctrine. How many waves of Chinese troops did it take to take a better trained and equipped US position? The Germans during WW2 had the best trained and equipped military in the world at that time. The Soviets just kept sending waves of troops to the front. <span style="color: #FF0000">We all know the Germans lost and it wasn’t due to a lack of effort. The Soviets over whelmed them with troops, </span> and if you are losing more people than you can replace you will lose. (Eventually).
China has bought lots of Russian equipment. They reverse engineer it and manufacture it themselves. Yes on the outside the aircraft carrier looks like junk, but what is inside? The Chinese submarine fleet of Russian attack subs, very scary. The boat captains were all trained by the British at their Navy school for sub captains. Most people in the world know how big a mistake it would be to underestimate China.
Russia: They have made their position on Iran clear. If Iran is attacked Russia will consider it and attack on Russia itself! Russia has already sold everything on the Iranian wish list. Why? Simple Russia makes too much money on Iran. The real kicker here is no one is worried about the US military due to the weak POTUS that is in charge now. The Russians know that they have a chance to grab a sphere of influence while the US is under weak management.
Iran: Air force not so good. Anti aircraft teams have top of the line Russian equipment and were trained in Russia, and are good. Navy well not so good either. Missile technology, very good. Thanks you Russia and China. Terrorist groups that take orders from Iran are quite good, at being terrorists. I’m hoping that some of the older crowd remembers the Beirut Marine barracks bombing. Hezbollah (party of G-D) a Shia terror group that is ran, trained and equipped by Iran. Army is better than the Iraqi military and Afghanistan military after 10 years of US equipment and training. Please don’t forget the mentality of these people. During the Iran Iraq war the Iranian army use to go by soccer fields and gather up all the children so they could help demine areas. “Run children run” well that area is much more safe for our troops now!
Those who like to say how the US navy is invincible. I would like to remind you of the Falklands war. The British Navy had no respect for the Argentineans navy. Well unbeknown to the British the Argentineans had purchased anti ship missiles. How many ships did the British navy loose?
Suez Canal is kind of narrow and so is the Strait of Hormuz. I wonder how many anti ship missiles it would take for the US navy to get the hint. Probably nothing due to the current POTUS not allowing the US military to be involved.
Bottom line: Iran knows they have to have the bomb before the US president changes. Israel will have to deal with them before they get there. The US will not be involved. After Israel hits and deals with Iran they will be in a full scale all out war. Hezbollah in Lebanon and maybe even Syria, Egypt will have to help their Arabs brothers and Israel will have to deal with the Arab fifth column inside Israel.
The Chinese will probably not involve themselves in at this time. The Russians have a large navy contingent ported in Syria, and are providing weapons and may even attempt to put up a naval blockade of Israel. The Russian army doesn’t have enough transports to put any real number of troops on the ground. Turkey has been getting and selling things to Iran will they help or won’t they hard to say.
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Thats not exactly true. IMHO, and from what Ive studied about the history, the real reason the Germans lost was more due to the Russian winter, and Hitler's insanity. Had he layed back and played his card wisely, waited til spring to attack Russia, it would have been a different story. And had he not lost the war there, its unlikely the allies would have been sucessful at Normandy.
