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COVID 19 has only a .2% death rate for most people who aren’t elderly.
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Calm down guys. It only kills old people. They lived long enough anyway. Not only that, they are probably on social security, leeching off your tax money.
People collecting social security paid into it for decades, idiot. It's their money, not your's.
Haven't you been in and outta here enough to recognize sarcasm?
Although, I think you are making friends.
Actually you are kind of wrong.
People "paid into it" were legally just giving the government a gift in return for the government's promise to tax someone in the future to try to give them some benefits of whatever the government decides it can afford to give.
As per Supreme Court ruling. It's a tax and the government technically has no legal obligation to pay.
There is NO actual money in the SS fund. "Their money" was spent by the politicians long ago.
Any money used for SS is technically somebody else's tax money that is being taken and redistributed to someone else, with the hopeful promise that eventually the person taxed will be the recipient of redistributed money from a future
Unfortunately, no matter how much my post was sarcasm, you are indeed correct.
Why didn't we barbecue the mother fuckers who are stealing our money 3 decades ago?
Why not use their fervor to get more people on board with CONUS manufacturing.
Use their hysteria to shit can H1B ect ect down.
Regulate immigration to reasonable numbers and enhance vetting.
One could easily cite the increase of diseases we had all but eliminated
walking across the border.
Could also throttle China for the foreseeable future.
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Use their hysteria to shit can H1B ect ect down.
Regulate immigration to reasonable numbers and enhance vetting.
One could easily cite the increase of diseases we had all but eliminated
walking across the border.
Could also throttle China for the foreseeable future.
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I agree with most of what you are saying other than I don’t trust the WHO. It is corrupted. I do not trust the media or any/all governmental agency foreign or domestic or any person that works for them.
Wow, we've come a long ways since Sarah Palin screaming about "death panels" a decade ago. It's ok if you don't remember, because you were probably still in preschool at that time.
If you really want to save money, letting every old person die a few years earlier would save a couple trillion dollars every year, coronavirus notwithstanding. It'd be an easy 10% GDP boost. If you think that's a good idea, feel free to run it up the flagpole and see how well it goes over.
Please let me know how I can contribute to your PAC.
I thought I'd never get old but lived long enough to be getting close and I had lots of friends who didn't get to be old like me. I digress.
I hauled my ass out of bed every fucking day at 5:30 for 47 years and counting and worked and saved and paid my taxes and my SS and my Medicare. Never broke any laws (I don't even speed) and been married to the same woman for 41 years. And it'd be just fine to let me die because...well, the money you know?
If we'd just terminate everyone over 70 we'd save trillions in health care costs alone that way there would be plenty for the younger ones who think they have earned what I have earned in 1/3rd the time. Not fair, is it?
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I hauled my ass out of bed every fucking day at 5:30 for 47 years and counting and worked and saved and paid my taxes and my SS and my Medicare. Never broke any laws (I don't even speed) and been married to the same woman for 41 years. And it'd be just fine to let me die because...well, the money you know?
If we'd just terminate everyone over 70 we'd save trillions in health care costs alone that way there would be plenty for the younger ones who think they have earned what I have earned in 1/3rd the time. Not fair, is it?
VooDoo
I’m not buying their stats out of China yet. I have never seen a disease that causes so many people to flop over dead out in public.
I’m not saying we should neglect the elderly.
I simply believe that mass panic could kill many many more people than covid-19.
The elderly are at high risk during this outbreak, but they will be at even greater risk if their are riots and mass panic.
We have to accept that there will be some COVID-19 fatalities in the US.
We have to accept, adapt and improvise.
No, that's not what you said. Earlier in the thread:
According to you, the economy and "careers of young folks" are more important than elderly citizens. In your worldview, $$$ > people.
Sorry I took it that you meant your money is more important than old people and that you think economies and everyone else (younger people) shouldn't get worked up about the old and infirm (which will include a lot of infants and children) dying in droves.
Long as it doesn't upset yer money cart, yer good with it.
I prolly misunderstood, huh?
VooDoo
Its not realy about age that is just a simplified metric for the plebs , is about underlying chronic diseases more common with each age group , if you watch your average black friday shopping vid most of that crowd fits into the most endangered bracket . Overveight, high blood pressure ,heartcondition and/or diabetes .The mortality rate jumps to 6% in hypertensives, 7.3% in diabetics, 10.5% in patients with cardiovascular disease, and 14.8% for patients ≥ 80 years of age
Definitely sad its effecting the Boomer Generation.
But it may keep Social Security from goin broke.
But it may keep Social Security from goin broke.
Mass panic and economic collapse will kill more people.
We have to look at this from a triage perspective.
Any Christian would say medical attention should be given to an infant over an octogenarian.
We need to stay calm and prepare in a sober manner while accepting that some people are going to die.
The media/Dems wants to start riots and runs on food.
What if the octogenarian had skills and knowledge that was very useful to society & they just needed to get a bit better from their flu to get back to work?
What if the infant was going to need more medical care in the future, or since they are so young and not yet of value to society, more babies can be made?
When you start wanting to play who you want to let live and die on arbitrary factors, it gets pretty interesting very quickly and you might not like where you yourself wind up on the list.
Triage and death panels are not the same thing.
All hospitals practice triage.
If you have limited resources you need to assess where those resources will do the most good.
The global healthcare system is going to be completely overwhelmed by COVID 19.
Doctors and politicians will have tough decisions to make.
We need the economy to run in order to keep people fed. This isn’t like the 1918 flu when most folks lived in farms.
People quarantined in China are having to hoist water up apartment buildings with pulley systems.
Inner city populations in the US likely have less than weeks worth of food in their houses.
Three word response to this ... Old Lives Matter !!!The death rate jumps up to 15% for those over 80.
The high death rate for the elderly skews the mortality.
For most people virus in fact similar to flu or even the common cold.
Coronavirus patients over age 80 have a death rate of 15%. Here's the death rate for every age bracket.
Coronavirus patients in their 50s are about three times more likely to die than patients in their 40s.www.businessinsider.com
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The death rate jumps up to 15% for those over 80.
The high death rate for the elderly skews the mortality.
For most people virus in fact similar to flu or even the common cold.
Coronavirus patients over age 80 have a death rate of 15%. Here's the death rate for every age bracket.
Coronavirus patients in their 50s are about three times more likely to die than patients in their 40s.
Every time I tested positive for influenza I got sick as shit over time. And that was always with the vaccine as a blanket. I don't mind the five day virus fever shit. It's the secondary shit that will kick your ass.
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I know several people over the years that caught something viral that ended up dead from pneumonia. Young, middle aged, and old. The deciding factor was not going to a doctor for a simple fucking exam. One kid in his 20s died on a life flight. If he had sought help one day earlier he may still be alive. People just lay there suffering and they don't realize they are fucking dying.
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When premiums and co-pays go up for the working class this is the choices that have to be made unfortunately. After Obamacare, many people have no co-pays. They must pay out of pocket until there high deductible is met. Just going to the Dr. and getting tested for strep throat is an $80 visit plus $250 strep test. This is a lot of money for people trying to make ends meet. No wonder they dont go. Now the non payers get full access at no or very little cost. These are exactly the people that should be the ones without healthcare and not the ones subsidizing it. Sick
Obamacare did what it was intended to do which is raise healthcare costs substantially to prep for a government takeover.
my rant for the day. Its too early to get worked up. ?
70!?!?!? Long past any usefulness or utility. If we want to actually save real money I say we wack everyone over 40.
70!?!?!? Long past any usefulness or utility. If we want to actually save real money I say we wack everyone over 40.
Funny enough that's what Communists and Elitists tend to think (except for themselves).
However what they forget is that human society actually started significantly advancing when people started living a bit longer and the younger generation could count on the help, experience and resourcefulness of the 40 and 50 year olds.
Nothing new here.
Some years back flew during the SARS time...
Coming off the planes at several Asian stops, medical personnel watching thermal cameras as each person got off the plane with security to back them up.
Coming back into the USA... not a peep or anything about might you have some illness.
The youngest person to die in Italy was 65. All the deaths have involved pre-existing conditions.
The Italians believe virus has been circulating for weeks.
It’s likely there aren’t magnitudes of untested mild cases.
Patients who are tested won’t count in the mortality calculations. I would wager the deaths rate is quite a bit lower than the published 2.6%
The Italians believe virus has been circulating for weeks.
It’s likely there aren’t magnitudes of untested mild cases.
Patients who are tested won’t count in the mortality calculations. I would wager the deaths rate is quite a bit lower than the published 2.6%
Well, my $3B employer just restricted all non-essential travel because of this damn media hysteria... a week before the largest Industrial Expo held just every 3 years. We have $100K in costs, flushed down the toilet, and I can't go visit customers for the next 2 months, at least.
What a GD joke...
What a GD joke...
And we still haven't sealed off the nursing homes to get past the surge. Doing that efficiently would keep hospital resources from drying up.
The real danger here is for those that will need to get into a hospital but may not be able to get a bed at the height of this thing.
The real danger here is for those that will need to get into a hospital but may not be able to get a bed at the height of this thing.
To me, a God revering man, it looks like the upper decks of the populace are being cleaned out of those that have no need to be deceived directly by satan when he is booted out of heaven in our lifetimes. I don't think the commie poop will get an eticket ride out of the mess. He could though.
Call me crazy. Don't care. I could laugh last, but won't.
It's a process we must go through.
Well if all these Communists and other folks who fashion themselves the judges of who should die, want to make sure the elderly die by refusing them care, I don't see what you have to lose, might as well show them more than one side can decide who gets to live and die.
I believe this is more serious than the regular flu, however, it is clear that the globalists are using the crisis to advance socialism.
They are trying to create panic in order to sabotage the economy and harm Trump.
They want to make us beg for universal health care.
They are trying to create panic in order to sabotage the economy and harm Trump.
They want to make us beg for universal health care.
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