Coyotes that don't respond to calls

[IdahoSpud]

Anyone have any tips for coyotes that do not respond to calls whatsoever? Is there any way to take them out?


I've been hunting and trapping this massive area of BLM for over a year. Dozens and dozens of stands. Using a FoxPro Shockwave and some hand calls. The area is hammered with weekend shooters and off roaders, but I have yet to see anyone else coyote hunting there.

I figured they were call shy and I might have better luck at night, so I bought a thermal scope. All it did is let me see how unresponsive they are Now I set out at my stands and observe them all for a good while before calling. I start super low and gradually increase volume over an hour or more. They aren't winding me, I'm not calling too loud, and I've tried just about every sound. They just don't care about the call. Occasionally a certain sound may trigger one to stand up, walk 50 yards left or right, and lay back down.


Is there any way to get these guys to move or any technique that might help? Or should I just give up on these and start driving twice as far to less pressured areas.

 

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do you have a pet cat you arent terribly fond of?

 

[Namekagon]

Is there something they have to feast on constantly that they aren't hungry? Dead cattle in a giant pile perhaps? They're eating something, figure out what it is.

Switching to going at night was the right choice. If you can see them and money be damned, I'd get a PVS-30 and a powerful illuminator and start shooting them at long range instead of trying to call them. Stupid money...

 

[Namekagon]

Another tip, pay close attention to your entrance/exit to the stands. It makes a big difference.

 

[Jgunner]

Dude, you ain’t the only one. I too have struggled especially lately. Although i am impatient about getting started on the call, but in areas where there is a lot of human presence it should’t matter.

I have tried dozens of new places, not just beating up one spot or even near each other. I was calling in a dog every other stand last year, this year i could do 10+ with nothing.

i am running a luckyduck revolt($500) with the extra calls. I try it all. Quiet to loud.

the last few times i seen coyotes was walking to a stand, not calling. Just stumble into one. Bout to sell my gear and get back into bass fishing!

i have an L3 wp and a nox 18 on a bump and a halo lr on my rifle. I should not have a problem finding or seeing anything.

 

[Jgunner]

Another tip, pay close attention to your entrance/exit to the stands. It makes a big difference.

I have a spot, ill only go to it once a month or two, but i come in down wind and lots of people go there by day to walk, ride bikes and horses. I always see yotes there. If income in a different way, I won’t see them. But I fear they will learn my pattern, but i found a new way in farther downwind that i have been itching to try. But i gotta walk through a neighborhood to get to it. Which is a turn off.

 

[IdahoSpud]

Is there something they have to feast on constantly that they aren't hungry? Dead cattle in a giant pile perhaps? They're eating something, figure out what it is.

Switching to going at night was the right choice. If you can see them and money be damned, I'd get a PVS-30 and a powerful illuminator and start shooting them at long range instead of trying to call them. Stupid money...

There are a ton of rabbits every 5 feet now. Rabbit distress doesn't do anything, I'm guessing because they are so plentiful they don't care. Haven't found a dead pile out here, occasionally a single dead bloated cow but they never seem to munch on it.

I have a Pulsar Trail 2 XP50. I should be good for 400m shots once I play with it some more.

I always make sure to hide my truck and approach.

There are also a bunch of stupid pups around. I've almost been able to kidnap a few they are so young and clueless. Wounded pup sounds don't do anything either

 

[RTH1800]

Either call shy or no hunger pressure. Might be a lot of rats and rabbits???

 

[IdahoSpud]

Dude, you ain’t the only one. I too have struggled especially lately. Although i am impatient about getting started on the call, but in areas where there is a lot of human presence it should’t matter.

I have tried dozens of new places, not just beating up one spot or even near each other. I was calling in a dog every other stand last year, this year i could do 10+ with nothing.

i am running a luckyduck revolt($500) with the extra calls. I try it all. Quiet to loud.

the last few times i seen coyotes was walking to a stand, not calling. Just stumble into one. Bout to sell my gear and get back into bass fishing!

i have an L3 wp and a nox 18 on a bump and a halo lr on my rifle. I should not have a problem finding or seeing anything.

About to rent a helicopter and have my buddy fly me around if it's legal. I think all these old wise ones need to be eradicated so we can start over haha.

It seems to even apply to trapping. I got 4 the entire season, which is better than trying to hunt them. However with the amount of traps and time I put in that was weak. I'd frequently see fresh sign around my traps and they would avoid them. I'm really careful about scent and had some killer lures and bait. Right at the end of the season I figured out blind trail sets worked way better. They must be super leery of everything. Silent approach with no lure or bait.

 

[DocRDS]

Try calling in spanish:
"Necesito ayuda para cruzar a América"

 

[Rerun7]

In for info. I’m pretty new to coyote hunting and have a spot where I don’t think they get hunted. However, I’ve had no luck on my stands. I think my caller may not be loud enough (foxpro inferno) so I’m about to get an external speaker to kick it up a notch.

 

[IdahoSpud]

In for info. I’m pretty new to coyote hunting and have a spot where I don’t think they get hunted. However, I’ve had no luck on my stands. I think my caller may not be loud enough (foxpro inferno) so I’m about to get an external speaker to kick it up a notch.

Word of advice...Idk how loud your call is but I'd bet it's plenty loud. Don't make the mistake of going out and playing a field mouse squeaking at full volume. In other areas a low volume I never thought would work has worked the best.

 

[RTH1800]

Lot of folks are just getting into coyote hunting and trapping.

The coyotes are getting an education and there is no better student.

 

[HeavyAssault]

The area is hammered with weekend shooters and off roaders,

They are tone deaf.....it happens.

 

[IdahoSpud]

Has anyone had any luck with spot and stalk? I tried it last night but as soon as I moved from 500m too 400m it was gone.

I'm thinking about ditching the call all together and just doing several hour stands where I usually see them and hoping they come strolling through.

 

[308Gunner]

With the amount of new hunters and electronic calls they are definitely learning, what has worked best for me is to use a mouth call. I wait to start calling for about 15 minutes and start real soft, and I will sit on stand longer than normal.

 

[NH4X]

So.......OP needs a change in " luck"
Get yo ass south of the border........find yourself a " Mexican blackbird " and have your way with her.
Your luck WILL change ......gar un teed
Not saying which way it'll change........its a 50/50 chance

Edit : Her name is Bertha...........ya gotta find Bertha

 

[supercorndogs]

Try calling in spanish:
"Necesito ayuda para cruzar a América"

Just put a little Chile' on your distress call. Spicy. And a wear a sombrero.

Every other stand is pretty good,. not that I haven't had years like that, but calling public land its not the norm. In high pressure areas I will cal for an hour and often see stuff later in the afternoon, I think they might get wary early in the morning sometimes when the pattern puts lots of hunters in the field early in the morning.

 

[supercorndogs]

Word of advice...Idk how loud your call is but I'd bet it's plenty loud. Don't make the mistake of going out and playing a field mouse squeaking at full volume. In other areas a low volume I never thought would work has worked the best.

Yep, I have seen them turn and look at a lip squeak from hundreds of yards away, and hear a safety click off from around 50y.

 

[supercorndogs]

I have also scared them trying to walk too deep into areas, over called areas, made bad stands, not accounted for wind or cover quite right. Wary coyotes want to get down wind of the sound undercover, use that to your advantage. Especially with an electronic caller. Don't focus on the call, in high pressure areas they may see the call when they get close, and know the deal.

I had one come out of the tamarisk at a full run one day to grab my decoy. He ran about 20ft out of the heavy cover, saw my call, spun and ran back in without loosing a step.

After an unsuccessful set you can check around fro tracks and see if one snuck in and skunked you.

 

[acudaowner]

a pile of pro communist neighbors or a local blm rally that mysteriously disappeared hint hint chum slick .

 

[IdahoSpud]

a pile of pro communist neighbors or a local blm rally that mysteriously disappeared hint hint chum slick .

Step 1- Find a valley and bed 200 MB750 foothold traps in it

Step 2- Advertise BLM rally on BLM land.

Step 3- Come back in a week and check the feed site

 

[RTH1800]

Do you know the price of MB750’s?

 

[IdahoSpud]

Do you know the price of MB750’s?

Group buy anyone?

 

[John's Friend]

Build a box of wood and chicken wire. Put a few live chickens in it. They will come.

 

[RTH1800]

Last I looked the Alaskan Wolf trap was 37.99 retail.

 

[MtnCreek]

Dispatch snares are cheaper.

 

[Badfinger]

You need to check with skinney_7, he's probably the most experienced Yote killer around.

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[IdahoSpud]

Build a box of wood and chicken wire. Put a few live chickens in it. They will come.

Appears to be legal here. Thanks, I will definitely give that a try. I'll throw them in an old wire dog crate

 

[Trapshooter12]

One of the problems is that a pup born this year has heard every sound known to man by September.

For every one Coyote hunter there fifty others you don't know about.

How often are you calling in those areas are you changing locations. Maybe try less obvious locations. You don't have to see for a thousand yards. Try stands where you might only be able to see fifty yards.

 

[John's Friend]

Appears to be legal here. Thanks, I will definitely give that a try. I'll throw them in an old wire dog crate

The local Coyotes travel in small packs of 6. They break into pairs to hunt and regroup just before dawn.

Over about a week, they cleaned out the neighbors chicken coop. The husband, a former Israeli Mil bad ass, tried all kinds of stuff. He booby trapped the doors, had traps out, shot at them, etc. When it was over, Ex bad ass 0, Coyotes 20+.

The local Coyotes like chicken.

 

[308pirate]

They're eating something, figure out what where it is.

I agree with a food source, but more important than what is where.

Then go there.

 

[308pirate]

Try calling in spanish:
"Necesito ayuda para cruzar a América"

I'm dead.............LOL

 

[308pirate]

The local Coyotes travel in small packs of 6. They break into pairs to hunt and regroup just before dawn.

Over about a week, they cleaned out the neighbors chicken coop. The husband, a former Israeli Mil bad ass, tried all kinds of stuff. He booby trapped the doors, had traps out, shot at them, etc. When it was over, Ex bad ass 0, Coyotes 20+.

The local Coyotes like chicken.

None of these?

 

[IdahoSpud]

I agree with a food source, but more important than what is where.

Then go there.

It's everywhere. I can see rabbits, rats and mice running around all over. I think they are plenty well fed but maybe chickens will entice them.

 

[308pirate]

It's everywhere. I can see rabbits, rats and mice running around all over. I think they are plenty well fed but maybe chickens will entice them.

If live chickens won't, a whole chicken from the supermarket will

 

[ggmanning]

This time of year is tougher. I kill all of them this time of year in my area with coyote vocalizations. Coyote Family, Coyote Pair mostly. Short calling early on soft to as loud as it will go depending on response for about 10 seconds and then no more. Hit it again every 15 minutes or so if no response on to next stand. I am shooting all of them this time of year from distances of 80-150 yards and mostly field edges checking out the new dogs they hear. They don't roll in like they do with distress calls in the winter. They are all full and eating good now....hit them from the intruders in my area angle. As little pressure as possible entering and watch your wind. A lone coyote decoy has killed me a bunch with coyote vocalizations as well. When they slip up to check out the new dogs I hit the vole squeak continuous on low low volume and that always seems to entice a step into the field or hypnotizes them for a bit to take the shot. You can kill a bunch more trapping and we use that if somebody wants them cleared out but its a lot more fun to shoot them.

 

[IdahoSpud]

This time of year is tougher. I kill all of them this time of year in my area with coyote vocalizations. Coyote Family, Coyote Pair mostly. Short calling early on soft to as loud as it will go depending on response for about 10 seconds and then no more. Hit it again every 15 minutes or so if no response on to next stand. I am shooting all of them this time of year from distances of 80-150 yards and mostly field edges checking out the new dogs they hear. They don't roll in like they do with distress calls in the winter. They are all full and eating good now....hit them from the intruders in my area angle. As little pressure as possible entering and watch your wind. A lone coyote decoy has killed me a bunch with coyote vocalizations as well. When they slip up to check out the new dogs I hit the vole squeak continuous on low low volume and that always seems to entice a step into the field or hypnotizes them for a bit to take the shot. You can kill a bunch more trapping and we use that if somebody wants them cleared out but its a lot more fun to shoot them.

So occasionally my vocalizations will get one up and barking, but they still will never move. Usually when I'm on a hill top I can see 2-3 groups or individual in different directions. They all yodel and bark but stay separate for the most part. I had a pack of 8-12 pissed of barking at me a few months ago, but like every other time they stayed around 500-600 yards. They are mouthy but never want to move.

 

[ggmanning]

We have them answer and the main bunch do nothing but many times they will send in a single or a pair.....they will slip in usually the opposite direction from where the pack answered trying to smell and see the new coyote. If the pack was downwind at 270* they come in on us upwind from 360*- 90* or 180* -90*. Give a short coyote sound that they answered to for about 10 seconds every roughly 15 minutes and give the scouts a half hour to 45 minutes max show up. If they don't move to the next stand. Just part of it this time of year. I am also hunting NC farm land which is bunches of woods around fields from 20 to a few hundred acres. The smaller fields do better for us during the summer and my location may make it different for what you get in response. I'd be lost and probably have to relearn all I do in prairie land. One other thing that works well for us year round is slipping up on cull pits at chicken houses and having set places we know we can slip up and shoot 100-150 yards overlooking the dead pits. You could do this with carcass piles anywhere without chicken houses like we have but the bad part is you never know when they will be there. Still a decent way to kill them.

 

[deersniper]

do you have a pet cat you arent terribly fond of?

Or a chicken ???
$10

he did say BLM

 

[MtnCreek]

Or a chicken ???
$10
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he did say BLM

Buy them? I just steal them out of a chicken house in Maryland.

 

[c1steve]

For a call, try a human baby crying. This is different for them, and that baby is very vulnerable, just what the coyotes want. I know this has worked very well.

 

[Dunraven]

set up on 17 different stands last winter, some at night. didn't call in a single one. only success is hauling a dead deer or calf onto edge of the foodplot, and sit in deerstand, especially toward evening. almost as frustrating as my prs performance.

 

[Jgunner]

For a call, try a human baby crying. This is different for them, and that baby is very vulnerable, just what the coyotes want. I know this has worked very well.

Training them to want to eat babies!



seriously though, some good info in here. Clearrly i am calling too much and not waiting long enough

 

[Rerun7]

For a call, try a human baby crying. This is different for them, and that baby is very vulnerable, just what the coyotes want. I know this has worked very well.

Do you typically put them in a cage like the chickens or let them free roam for a more authentic feel?

 

[John_in_WYO]

Get a dog.
This one is from Rexburg, Idaho.
Looked like a russet potato curled up in the back seat at 6 weeks old, hence his name.
Meet Spud:

Mountain Cur/ Plott Hound cross.

He really liked hunting coyotes. He’d see them before I did and fire out to chase them.
Used an e-collar on tone to bring him back and the coyotes followed. He got fanged and gave it back several times over. He’d bail into a wounded coyote and pull fur. He’s retired now, nearly 12.

But man, he really changed the game.
He’d catch and hold cripples, too.

 

[1J04]

I usually just yell "Hey, Somebody Come Help This Kid Across The Border". But in Spanish.

Works every time.

 

[supercorndogs]

Get a dog.
This one is from Rexburg.
Looked like a russet potato curled up in the back seat at 6 weeks old, hence his name.
Meet Spud:View attachment 7649312

Mountain Cur/ Plott Hound cross.

He really liked hunting coyotes. He’d see them before I did and fire out to chase them.
Used an e-collar on tone to bring him back and the coyotes followed. He got fanged and gave it back several times over. He’d bail into a wounded coyote and pull fur. He’s retired now, nearly 12.

But man, he really changed the game.

I have a dog I think would have been great at it, but the wife would skin me if he came home bit up a little. I have always taken him in the field, and his favorite things to trail are coyotes and bobcats. My lab has something like super ADHD. He gets birdie and he might sniff you out a box turtle.

 

[VA-Varminter]

I know a cougar that won't respond to texts.

 

[1J04]

I know a cougar that won't respond to texts.

Cougar. That ain't no Cougar, Jimmy.


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