Creedmoor family

[AHall]

The creedmoor case must just be great. I have seen 7, 6.5, 6cm and now this 22cm. Seems like it could be a good idea to have the whole line up and just buy brass in bulk and neck it to which one you choose. Kinda makes me glad I chose 6.5cm over .260 and x47L. Advantages seem to be no fireforming, good case capacity, feeds perfect in bolt and gas guns, barrel life improved over similar cartridges, efficient use of powder to achieve velocity. Could someone please elaborate on this more? If this trend seems to be a good one I could see someone else making brass other than hornady.

Excuse my lack of knowledge. Just seeing a lot of attention on this case design with never any complaints. Is the 204cm next?

 

[Rhyno]

Noslers will be making brass for it. Also iirc the 6.5 CM was based on the 30TC so you could throw that into the family as well.

 

[steve123]

You can do the same thing with x47L except the brass will be higher quality and last much longer.

I'm getting 3130 fps/105HB with a medium load in my 6x47L and could go hotter but won't. 3830 fps in my 20x47L with 55 grain Bergers with a medium load.

Been loading the same brass for almost 7 years in the 6.

 

[6.5BR]

Steve, what bbl length 6x47 ?

 

[MarshallDodge]

You can do the same thing with x47L except the brass will be higher quality and last much longer.

I'm getting 3130 fps/105HB with a medium load in my 6x47L and could go hotter but won't. 3830 fps in my 20x47L with 55 grain Bergers with a medium load.

Been loading the same brass for almost 7 years in the 6.

I agree, just had a 6.5x47L built and cannot get over the quality of the brass. 6x47L will be my next build but for 22 caliber, I just shoot a hot 223 load. Brass is cheap, basically free because I pick tons of it up at the range, and if the target is further than 300 yards then the wind had better be calm or it isn't much fun.

 

[steve123]

Steve, what bbl length 6x47 ?

29.5" with the 6 and 27" with the 20.

 

[PowerstrokeOBX]

.277 Creedmoor IMP, hehe.

 

[KYS]

You can do the same thing with x47L except the brass will be higher quality and last much longer.

I'm getting 3130 fps/105HB with a medium load in my 6x47L and could go hotter but won't. 3830 fps in my 20x47L with 55 grain Bergers with a medium load.

Been loading the same brass for almost 7 years in the 6.

I still haven't seen a major underlining difference in Lapua vs Hornady brass. What I do see is Hornady willing to work with companies and provide quality "custom" brass. Had it not been for Hornady, the 6mm Creedmoor might have never really taken off.
The brass availability made it a much more attractive cartridge.

 

[AHall]

I still haven't seen a major underlining difference in Lapua vs Hornady brass. What I do see is Hornady willing to work with companies and provide quality "custom" brass. Had it not been for Hornady, the 6mm Creedmoor might have never really taken off.
The brass availability made it a much more attractive cartridge.

I have heard Hornady cm brass seems on the same level as well.

 

[KYS]

Lapua used to be to soft and would stick in chambers. It would also not get as many reloadings. But they have clearly fixed that.

 

[steve123]

Musings...

Of course this can be debated all day long, LOL, but specific to the x47L case is it's designed for higher pressure than the Creed case. Correlating the handling of the higher pressure might be that there's more brass on the bottom of the case because of the small rifle primer pocket although there could be a thicker web too, not sure. As always everything is a compromise. The downside being more heat and throat wear caused from higher pressures to attain speeds equivalent to the greater capacity of the Creed.

IMO one of the most accurate and efficient wildcat cartridges conceived is the 6mm Dasher and BRX designs which share the small rifle primer, .059 flashole with slightly less powder capacity of the x47L. I want to get as close to this design as possible. Heck if I could get dedicated 100% reliable 10 rounds mags for a 6 Dasher I'd ditch my 6x47. From what I've run across in my readings 30x47L is turning some heads in the BR world, which alludes to it's efficiency.

Could many of us realize these theoretical advantages that the x47L case has?, I doubt it and I'm pretty sure I couldn't. That doesn't matter to me anyway because I'm not a BR shooter, rather preferring steel instead.

Here's some food for thought though as far as brass life is concerned... a friend recently had case separation at 30 reloads with his 6.5x47L, he pushes his load too, low 2900's with 123's in a longer barrel. Ain't no Creed gonna get close to that many, but then again it's half the cost of x47L. Right now I have 700 and something x47L cases fully BR prepped and weight sorted, my own reamer and custom FL dies which barely size the case. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I got 40 firings because I don't push the pressure ceiling. If that's the case it'll be the year 2023 before I'll have to buy brass again, grin.

Necking 22 Creed from 6 Creed would be one pass through the die, I'd like that. Necking down from 6.5 to 22 for the x47L is two passes.

 

[Trevor300wsm]

I still haven't seen a major underlining difference in Lapua vs Hornady brass. What I do see is Hornady willing to work with companies and provide quality "custom" brass. Had it not been for Hornady, the 6mm Creedmoor might have never really taken off.
The brass availability made it a much more attractive cartridge.

You can blow this horn all you want, but for someone to have as much "shooting"'sense as you claim, I can not believe you are actually making this statement online. Lapua x47 brass and 6.5cm brass are worlds apart.....and yes I own close to 1000 pieces of both. I believe you are letting your affiliation with a well known smith cloud your vision.

 

[KYS]

You can blow this horn all you want, but for someone to have as much "shooting"'sense as you claim, I can not believe you are actually making this statement online. Lapua x47 brass and 6.5cm brass are worlds apart.....and yes I own close to 1000 pieces of both. I believe you are letting your affiliation with a well known smith cloud your vision.

I could care less who makes it as long as it works. I shoot Lapua, Hornady, Nosler, and Norma….. and a lot of Remington. A certain smith has nothing to do with this. I go with what is available, cost effective and will last for multiple loadings. Im not knocking Lapua in the least bit, just saying Hornady seems a little easier to work with on a professional business level.


Calm down Sally.

You can blow this horn all you want, but for someone to have as much "shooting"'sense as you claim, I can not believe you are actually making this statement online.

Shooting sense? Haha, I have never claimed to be any authority on brass. It's a personal opinion.

 

[garandman]

338cm ?

 

[AHall]

375cm?

 

[mallrat]

50cm? Ah crap, did I reveal my naivete again?

 

[AHall]

50cm? Ah crap, did I reveal my naivete again?

50cm on left. 6.5cm on right.

 

[KYS]

Here's some food for thought though as far as brass life is concerned... a friend recently had case separation at 30 reloads with his 6.5x47L, he pushes his load too, low 2900's with 123's in a longer barrel. Ain't no Creed gonna get close to that many, but then again it's half the cost of x47L. Right now I have 700 and something x47L cases fully BR prepped and weight sorted, my own reamer and custom FL dies which barely size the case. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I got 40 firings because I don't push the pressure ceiling. If that's the case it'll be the year 2023 before I'll have to buy brass again, grin.

Thinks on this then….. with Remington Brass and a short action ultra magnum case: people are getting 12-15 loadings with 61-63grs of powder behind a 6.5 bullet. That is crazy. It's all about balancing pressures and speeds. 30-40 reloadings you say? And he is running it hot? That may be one attribute to running a small primer pocket. But again if you run a small primer on a caliber like 308, performance suffers.

We can debate 6.5x47 and 6.5 Creedmoor all day as they are direct competitors of each other. When the caliber began to gain popularity no one was attaining the speeds they claimed were possible. 2900 is hot in a 6.5x47 but mild in a 6mm Creedmoor.

 

[Trevor300wsm]

2900 is hot in a 6.5x47 but mild in a 6mm Creedmoor.

I run a mild load of 37.5gr of Varget under a 130 VLD from a 24.5" barrel and get 2,897 fps......it is far from hot. Actually, it is a very common and favorable load for this caliber. I have some brass with 20+ loadings on it and the primer pockets are still surprisingly tight. As for 2900 fps being mild in a 6mm CM, well hell I'd hope so because you're shooting a 105gr-115gr bullet, compared to the x47's 123gr-130gr selections.

Make no mistake, I have no beef with anything Creedmoor related. I love mine. My peeve is with your bias due to your buddy.

 

[Early Cuyler]

I have been sold on the 6CM and hope to have it all together in a build by mid next year. It really came down to the brass availability (no sizing compared to the 6x47), faster speeds, and commercial ammo (copper creek). I was swayed by the "what the pros use" thread, but honestly do not expect to use my rifle the same way. It will be for rare hunting trips, but mostly club 600-1000-1200yd matches and paper punching.

It seems almost like a perfect competition cartridge for the casual reloader like myself!

 

[KYS]

I run a mild load of 37.5gr of Varget under a 130 VLD from a 24.5" barrel and get 2,897 fps......it is far from hot. Actually, it is a very common and favorable load for this caliber. I have some brass with 20+ loadings on it and the primer pockets are still surprisingly tight. As for 2900 fps being mild in a 6mm CM, well hell I'd hope so because you're shooting a 105gr-115gr bullet, compared to the x47's 123gr-130gr selections.

Make no mistake, I have no beef with anything Creedmoor related. I love mine. My peeve is with your bias due to your buddy.

I have no bias. I am following in line with the topic of this thread. That would be the Creedmoor Family. I shot a 6.5x47 for years and was never impressed with it, they claimed the 123gr loads would run 2900-3k easily. I could not achieve the speeds "easily".
I prefer the creedmoor family because of how easy it is to get components, and how easy it is to find an accurate and stable load. It's a preference, not a bias because of the person who builds my rifles.

 

[jakelly]

I don't think it's wrong to choose one brass over another because you want to support the company behind the product. I can't stand the deaf ears and bulls**t excuses we get from 7/8 of the industry's manufacturers anymore. I appreciate Hornady, Bushnell, and George (unless we're supposed to keep calling him "a certain gunsmith"). Lapua isn't incomparably better that Hornady. I understand that the GAP affiliated guys pump products from companies that listen to/work with them, and that might grate on some guys, but do you fault them? I see the Norma name got left off of the 6.5x284 on Lapua's website, maybe all companies do that to one degree or another, huh. GAP aren't puppets, they are not saying it just for money, they are talking about principles. Shoot Lapua brass, it's great, it is also over a buck a pop and they aren't sure if the 270 Winchester, 7mm Rem mag, and 300 Win are popular enough for them to make, but fire away. I like the thought that I can acknowledge companies that clearly don't regard my business and choose companies that do, why would you openly mock someone for that? That's a pretty hostile reaction just to maintain the king of the hill's reputation in a thread titled Creedmoor Family.

 

[thrusty]

If you could get Lapua brass right this very second for the 6.5CM, or any of the offshoots.....would we still be having this conversation?

 

[jakelly]

If you could get Lapua brass right this very second for the 6.5CM, or any of the offshoots.....would we still be having this conversation?

Nope, we would all be talkin about how great the Creedmoor case is.

 

[KYS]

If you could get Lapua brass right this very second for the 6.5CM, or any of the offshoots.....would we still be having this conversation?

Good point but that will never happen. That would be directly competing with their 6.5x47 and 6x47 cartridges. I don't see it happening. Healthy competition is good though. Keeps these big companies on their toes to constantly improve and grow the products.

 

[thrusty]

Nope, we would all be talkin about how great the Creedmoor case is.

Thanks --- that's kinda what I was alluding to. It won't be long until more manufactures pick it up and start paying the royalty to Hornady (if there is such a thing) and produce it to the masses.
More people shooting the caliber...and us talking about how awesome and how much better it would shoot (really?) by having Lapua brass..... Yeah, Lapua will start to make it and then we'll move on to talking about how the NEW 6.75ThrustMag is the next greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[jakelly]

It would sound like this:

"Man, more barrel life than the 243"... "Anything the Lapua will do, the Creedmoor will do 100 yds further out"... "Ideal size for magazine length"

 

[thrusty]

Good point but that will never happen. That would be directly competing with their 6.5x47 and 6x47 cartridges. I don't see it happening. Healthy competition is good though. Keeps these big companies on their toes to constantly improve and grow the products.

I think you're right...but I also think you could be incorrect. If there is a market for it, why not manufacture and sell it. In the end, it's just business...

 

[KYS]

I think you're right...but I also think you could be incorrect. If there is a market for it, why not manufacture and sell it. In the end, it's just business...

Stubbornness and Pride…. its a huge part of this industries manufacturers, unfortunately.

 

[AHall]

Seems like Hornady is doing a fine job with the CM. I have yet to go to the store and not find loaded 120 and 140gr amax's on the shelf for $24-26 a box. There is always boxes of brass $35 per 50. If lapua brass is a buck a piece I better be getting 40 reloads instead of 20. Also think of the guys that dislike using Lap brass in competitions where there is no time to pick up your empty cases.

Furthermore ~200 pieces of brass will nearly last a barrel. Cheap enough for me.

 

[BoilerUP]

The other thread got me trademark 6.5 Blumpkin; I've got a call into Lapua to see if they'll produce brass for me but I'm waiting on a response.

Game. Changa.

 

[PowerstrokeOBX]

Seems like Hornady is doing a fine job with the CM. I have yet to go to the store and not find loaded 120 and 140gr amax's on the shelf for $24-26 a box.

Lucky you, I've seen 140s 2 times since January. One of the times they wanted 55$ a box + tax.

 

[PowerstrokeOBX]

Going from 6.5 to 6CM just a simple neck down with 6CM FL Die?

 

[long range newbie]

come to oregon we have bout 7boxes laying on the shelf lol. Also couple boxes of 120gr superformance. and their $24 a pop no tax here either

 

[moore_man]

Had Dave at PTG work up a personal chamber reamer and FL die for the .22 CM. So far so good