I 100% agree. For that game mils are the way , I’m still not sure why though ? I mean initially when it was a fairly split field who pushed mils and why? Faster adjustment ? Base 10 ? When it’s a mostly known distance game why does it matter when they both accomplish the same thing ? I still don’t get franks main argument about the SMOA vs TMOA, he tested a couple Leupold that the units were off and because that you should use mils? What if athlons budget scopes units were off would you say mils are wrecked and everyone needs to switch to moa? I guess if you buy a lower tiered optic or outdated optic then I guess you should worry. I am running NXS’s , NX8, Mark 5 and Razor gen 2’s and a VX6 that are TMOA all around, the only thing that has remotely tempted me to switch are the easier wind holds and yes the language. Not trying to argue any point over the other as I usually just scroll along but I really want to know why choose mils ?
I don’t get why you can’t get it?
The reason frank has an issue is because they are or have been labeling moa differently. That a consumer may not realize what they are getting with moa. They may be getting smoa or tmoa. So, they have to do a tracking test and then figure out:
A: what *should* it be tacking with
B: is it tracking to what it *should* be tracking to
You have to answer at least two questions and you can’t just set up a tall target test with true moa at times.
With mils......it hasn’t been bastardized. Hell even leupold confirmed earlier they tried to make moa “easier” and fucked it all up.
With mils, you just set up a tall target test at 100yd, 100m, or whether you want with the proper linear measurements mark. You perform the tracking test and it’s either tracking or it ain’t. You don’t have to figure out “well, is it not tracking properly, or is it in smoa when I thought it was in tmoa??”
Also, casual shooters are too far fucked with moa. Most think it’s 1/4” and 1” at 100, .5 and 2” at 200, etc etc.
It would take years if re-education for the entire shooting community (not just LR) to unfuck this.
With mils, either a shooter doesn’t know it at all, or they know a mil is a mil is a mil (however, people are starting to bastardize mils a bit when they say “mils are metric”).
If this explanation doesn’t help you on why frank and many others are over moa as a whole, you either won’t ever get it, or you’re just playing dumb.
As far as why the LR community went to mils, it’s basically for the base 10. It’s “easier” for most people to work with 11.4mil than 38moa.
Things change. It’s just the way it is. Moa is dead/dying. So is the .308. In another 20yrs or less, mils will be damn near all that’s left and 6.5cm will be the “new” .308.
