Current US Army rifle qual??

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It just make me smile when you guys Go: Marines are the baddest, No Army is the baddest and so on.

I have equal respect for bouth of them. Moust of them dont have to go and in service but they do. That says something to me.
No matter what you do to while in service. Just give your best while in and dont quit.


I dont know much about what kind of training do you have in Army but i could bet that it would not hurt to be in shape before joining. This seem to be the biggest problem all over the wester word.
Its much easier to learn when you are not tired after litle bit of training+it keeps your head in shape as well.






 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SS, it appears your question isnt being answered so I'll answer it from my experance.

I was involved in HP long prior to taking over the AK NG's marksmanship unit. As team leader, then company commander I enchourage my people to shoot high power, After becoming a company commander I could fund their shooting. I have never seen a soldier who was involved in High Power Shooting fail to fire expert on the AQC.

As someone mentioned, the marines lag behind the army at Perry and the All Service matches. I don't know who all remembers but in the 80s it was the All Guard team who lead the pack. That changed in the 90s when the guard stopped shooting "composit" meaning they went to "combat style" competitions. Since they haven't been able to compete with the Army's Teams.

Seems people tend to forget history, qulification scores went sky high after Gen Pershing started having the SAFS type traing giving to jr officers at the infantry school. That stopped and scores have gone south.</div></div>

What I'm wondering is this: for any who have both NRA HP and Military classifications, what's the corollary?
 
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It's kind of hard to compair the two.

Army Qualification is:

Ex 90-100%
SS 75-87.5%
MK 57.5-72.5 %

But you consider they fire from 50-300 meters on a 30X18 inch target. (half that size at 50 & 75 yards).

That in no way compairs to the NRA Qualification percentages where you are shooting 200-600 yards, campair the HP targets to the E-Shil. and you'll see expert in the army and expert in HP is as differant as night and day.

If you constantly shoot low 80% Marksmen HP Scores, you'll shoot expert every time.

But if you constantly shoot Expert on the AQC, there is no guarentee you'll get out of the NRA Marksman Class.

When I'd run my people through the HP matches and got them where they could shoot 70% or better, it was pretty much a sure thing they would shoot Expert on the AQC.


In reality, its compairing apples to oranges. Thats the whole reason we had to develope a DM program.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you consider they fire from 50-300 meters on a 30X18 inch target. (half that size at 50 & 75 yards).

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Actually, my namsake targets are 19.5 x 40 inches.
 
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And it appears Marines have a better handle on how to shoot proficiently be it in a gunfight or on paper,....resting mags is just BEGGING for a malfunction period.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Etype</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A couple of people who recommend magazine on the ground- Kyle Lamb, Larry Vickers, me...

If you are pulling rearward on the mag (ie- tipping the noses of rounds up) it won't malfunction, it will actually help the rounds feed. This is actually a secret to making blanks feed better. The only time you run a chance of failure is with a severely worn out mag and tipping the rounds down.

Bottom line- Two points of contact without the mag down, three points of contact with the mag down- mag down equals 50% more stable.

Also, it lowers your position. A lower position is a more stable position.

40 round qual isn't a joke till you can shoot it 40/40 consistently, and that's a challenge for anyone with M885 and a basic training rifle. Sure, I could smoke it with my CQBR or SPR and Mk262

A beat up M16 and M885 is a 4 MOA combo at best. That's a 12" group on a 300m target, leaving you with 4 inches or a bit more than 1 MOA on each side of your group. If you can hold your point of aim inside that 1.3 MOA buffer consistently with wind, then that's darn good shooting.

A 1 MOA wind at 300 for an M885 is 3 mph... So if wind is barely felt on your face, it's going to push that bullet off the target if it's at the extreme spread of your group. It's very hard to get wind with no optic on s qual range. Wind bottlenecks and swirls over the berms and treelines, and there is sometimes a drainage ditch or two to channel gusts. </div></div>


I truly don't give a rats ass if vickers, lamb and every other high speed out there recommend putting the mag on the ground. I don't recommend it. why? because it's not needed. period.

hasty sling, supported or not = more than enough support to smoke this course.

But I'll make a deal with ya'll after my brother does it I'll report back. He is supposed to enter Jan 11, 2011.


P.S. What are you probably running in basic training............ a severely worn out mag.


Wish I could show you gents how this boy shoots. I've had him working an MP5N full auto like a pro at 16.


Being that my last qual score on the marine corps range was a 56 (expert started at 40), I'd say I'm relatively qualified to teach marksmanship.

I'll report back when this is done. Thank you all for your input. </div></div>

Slinging up may well result in a DS running over, screaming, and kicking him in the helmet. If you're not told to do it... you don't do it. Same goes for using the magazine as a monopod.
 
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I train Soldiers not elite Soldiers Quartermaster Soldiers and while the doctrine is not the most advanced it is designed to teach some kid with a 75 GT how to operate his individually assigned weapon. The objective of the POI for BRM instruction in Basic Training is to produce GO's not bona fide Mark Walburg Snipers. The Army has other schools for that. I find that female Soldiers are far more receptive to instruction because they don’t have a preconceived idea of how it should be done. i.e.: their has been or never was uncle, brother, or step father didn't fill their head with BS about how the instructor doesn't know what he is talking about.

Observation: you ever see the dad who is trying to live vicariously through his son in little league because he wasn’t good enough for college ball...
 
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-9/c06.htm#6_7

Read the whole manual. Chapter 6 and specifically 6.8 gives you the Record Fire procedure and scores.

Just so you'll know: Unlike the Marine Corps, all US Army soldiers are riflemen, that is sad but true. We have too many people doing too many diverse jobs to waste time and money training everyone to an unnecessary standard. The soldiers who need to know more about rifle marksmanship certainly get more training. The mission of the Army and the Corps is different but the soldiers who are the "pointy end of the spear" are generally every bit as good with their rifle as are their Marine counterparts.
I don't mind good natured branch rivalry but your overall negative attitudes about the Army and your nephew are beyond that. Also, shooting a 56 does not mean you are qualified to instruct. One of the finest marksmen I have ever seen pull a trigger could not teach anyone else how to load a magazine. One skill does not always equate to another.
 
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What I'm wondering is this: for any who have both NRA HP and Military classifications, what's the corollary?

No corelation, someone who qualifies expert in the military may or may not do well in HP and vice versa. When competing in HP competition while on active duty, we requied all of our team members to qualify Expert before they could try out for the team, then we taught them the fundamentals of competition marksmanship. The skill sets overlap but are quite different.
Shooting HP competition is a great training tool for military shooters and a successful HP shooter should have no problem with either the Army or Marine Corps rifle qualifications if they can master target detection and range estimation.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

He'll be a 35F

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Don't they qualify with a Mouse?
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Sorry . . . .

Just Funnin'

I still remember my Dad's Unit motto: Clerk Typists never retreat, We backspace!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The mission of the Army and the Corps is different but the soldiers who are the "pointy end of the spear" are generally every bit as good with their rifle as are their Marine counterparts.</div></div>

Being an army paratrooper I have to do my part harrassing marines but in reality you are correct.

When shooting for the guard I use to take my rifle team to 29 Palms once a year and to Hawaii twice a year shooting matches on marine bases. Of course I've shoot on several army bases.

In reality, there is no differance between the army and marines when it comes to shooting. Regardless of the branch, you have those who take their shooting serious and strive to be better and you have the average soldier who shoots what he has to to get by.

You have the same thing among civilian law enforcement officers. Those to strive to better themselves and those who shoot only enough to get by.

Having said all that:

God made Paratroopers so Marines would have heros.
 
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I helped several of my Scouts prepare for USMC boot training rifle qualification.

I tried not to deal with issues specific to the M-16 or to service rifle marksmanship training. I figured the less I taught them, the less they'd have to be unlearning. The Corps knows what it wants to teach and how to teach it, and I didn't want to introduce anything that might complicate that task.

Still some skills are pertinent. I provided them with some NRA 100yd targets and had them shoot the targets with my old USGI issue Mossberg M-44 .22LR training rifle. The peep rear sights with elevation and windage adjustments serve admirably to teach matters related to basic marksmanship skills and sights adjustment.

I figured that kind of teaching wouldn't be at cross purpose with Boot Camp training methods.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
God made Paratroopers so Marines would have heros.
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Love it....
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I quit reading after a few posts due to all the stupid shit, so forgive me if some of this has been posted already. 40 rounds: 20 prone supported out to 300, 10 prone unsupported out to 300, and 10 kneeling out to 150. We run a rifle qual about once a month and the basic fundamentals is usually the biggest set back for soldiers, but you said you have that down. The second problem is target acquisition. They have 3-6 seconds (range dependant, little longer for doubles) to engage targets from 50-300. Most guys will engage a target with their body turned towards it, then lift their heads up off the stock and look for the next. By the time they ID the target, turn their body towards it, get their cheek weld and line up the sights they are having to rush the shot. I coach them before hand to get a natural point of aim down the center of their lane and for obvious reasons keep their cheek weld. Then all they have to do is slightly dip the muzzle down and look over their front sight post for the next target to pop up (which they should see with their peripheral vision if looking straight down the lane), then make a slight movement bringing the muzzle up and an inch or two left or right to get the sights aligned on target. Then after the shot go right back to center. This cuts down on a lot of unnecessary movement and wasted time. After every range session I have guys telling me how much that improved their scores.

Good luck, they don't teach crap in basic any more. They should just give them a PT test (if they even need to pass it) and send them on their way. His basic will probably be like church camp, but they might raise their voices at then a little.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
God made Paratroopers so Marines would have heros.
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Love it....
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<span style="color: #FF0000">AIRBORNE!</span> <span style="font-size: 17pt"> </span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I'm wondering is this: for any who have both NRA HP and Military classifications, what's the corollary? </div></div>

Fundamentals of Marksmanship
 
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I also agree with putting the mag on the ground it doesnt hurt any thing just gives you a more stable base. I too was stuck in my old marine corp was and didnt want to try it because of all the stories of malfunctions. But I decided to try it and shot alot better in the prone by doing it and had zero malfunctions using shitty school house mags at a school I was just at.

But back to what the topic of this thread was as I have seen in prior post most people are explaining the combat rifle qual. There is also a couple alternate qualification tables. The I just recently shot is as close as the army gets to the marine corps qual.

Starts on the 300 yd line with 26 rnds you get a total of 6 sighting shots.Shoot 3 pull the target mark it then shoot 3 more and make any final adjustments and your zero should be confirmed.

From there you have 20 rnds split up into 2 mags 10 and 10 If I remember right you have 2min to shoot 20rnds with a mag change.

Then you move to the 200yd line 10 shots 60 sec

Then 100yd line 10 shots 60 sec

Total of 40 rnds to qualify

Targets used 300 and 200 able body target, for the 100 you take a sheet of white paper and cover up the lower half of the body target making it a modified dog target.

All yard lines are shot from the prone.
 
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new qual for the Army is 40 rds 40 targets.

1mag 20/rds -prone supported. targets from 50-300m timed,closer ones are up shorter time than further ones, multpile engagements

1mag 10/rds prone unsupported, 150-300m multiple enaggements

1mag 10/rds kneeling 50-150m targets. i dont believe it has multiple engagements.

23-29 marksman
30-35-sharpshooter
36-40 expert

there is nothing you can do to help a guy while he is shooting. so the most important part is the zeroe. for the yr i spent here helping mobilizing units, i realized one thing, the Army does not "teach" how to shoot. they tell you, and read things to you, but not teach. i would have groups of 2-300 come through in a single day, half would be unzeroed to begin with and get recycled.

teach him how to zeroe the weapon on his oiwn so he doesnt have to listen to someone that doesnt know what he is talking about and gets bad info.

also, if you have rangetime before he ships, take him to a range. teach him how to shoot. once you have done that, teach him how to shift his whole body quickly, ID his target and get prepped for the shot.
lets say a 200m target is up for 8 seconds. the way you make your money is to identify it, move your body quickly, and get setup. if done properly, that should leave you a good 5-6 seconds to get a good shot off.


BTW- if i had to choose a "best" aproach for the militay qual course, it would definatly mirror USMC 95%. Its justa fact that Marines are taught and understand the rifle, its capabilities, and how to adjust it. 1wk of KD course gives fedback so a pvt can see what changes need to be made, how it affects the weapon. what the wind and elev. ACTUALLY do. where as the army only tells you to use it to zeroe it, soldiers have no clue what any of this means, or have no idea how to use it. trust me, ive seen it from the inside on both accounts. (im in an infantry BN and most of the joe's know this, but every now and then some dont. but when training mobilizing non combat, or worse MP's, they dont know jack, except for a select few. it really saddens me, it really does. so a POG Marines is leaps and bounds above a POG soldier, its a fact) but as for grunts, id say they are equal, with an edge to the Marines- as far as basic rifleman go,
so in theroy it would be 4days USMC style and then 1day the Army qual to use those techniques practically in an unknown distance course.
 
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If he would be able to just go and watch a highpower match, preferably someone shooting service rifle it should give a lot of confidence in what the AR/M16 can do when tuned up - in some units you get away with some tuning of your issue weapon
 
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Almost go time for the kid with a Jan 11 ship date.

I appreciate all the advice in these posts. But I was looking for strictly what the qual course is. (Thanks to you guys that let me know) This kid is a better shooter that many soldiers already having competed nationally in a Marine Corps JROTC program all through High School (all 4 positions). He is impressive to say the least. I would not hesitate to put him on a Marine Corps qual range as it is.

I have no doubts he will destroy the Army's qual.

But time will tell.
 
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just use a m4/ar15 and a 25 meter range and practice shooting m4 zero targets and alternate C qualification targets and he will be fine.
 
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Trebek,

Stop it with the but-tmonkey crap. You get nowhere when you dis people (or services) like that.

I think you have your information about how the Army rifle qualification goes. Have him 'live' that for a couple days and he will be GTG. If not, while running through it have him explain why he shot where he shot.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you read my post buttmonkey? </div></div>

Trebeck,

I have nothing to offer on current Army Rifle quals, as I qualified so long ago that we were still using matchlocks (actually M1 Garands).

Besides former shallow water sailors don't how to shoot.....

In any event, what I really want to know is:

Do practice daily being an "obnoxious dickwad", or did you come by that skill naturally????

Inquiring minds want to know.....

Thanks
 
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Tell the inquiring minds it takes both alot of practice and natural skill.
But after spending some time on ship it comes easy learning from sailors.

The real question is how do sailors earn combat action ribbons?
 
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They get shot at, how do you think? Or maybe from paper cuts opening candy wrappers???

Here try this:

USCG Vietnam Ops

Oddly enough, the only Coastie (Douglas A. Munro) that was ever awarded the MOH, earned it rescuing.......Marines.

 
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Better go get back on your meds you crotchety bastard. ahaha

You know the snack machine fell on you after you got pissed it ate your quarter.

And I'm not sure what the coast guards rules for the combat action ribbon are. I would have assumed the paper cuts would qualify for the coast guard.

But for the Marines you need to do more than just get shot at.
 
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Wow, I haven't seen this much douchebaggery in a while. It's funny to me to watch a supposed "marine" run his suck and stomp his feet like a child. A real Marine would remain quiet, professional and just smile inwardly knowing that he's a marine and that he doesn't have to measure penis's. It makes me wonder what MOS' he is I'm thinking quartermaster or possibly cook.
 
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haha you guys crack me up.

Yes I was a cook, because evidently even the "supposed" cooks in the marine corps are so fucking hard they get a chance to earn the combat action ribbon.

And who the says apropos? really. You tools. hahaha
Come down to south,TX. I'll buy ya'll some beers, might be a good change from the wine coolers.


The countdown continues: 8 days.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Daps!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I haven't seen this much douchebaggery in a while. It's funny to me to watch a supposed "marine" run his suck and stomp his feet like a child. A real Marine would remain quiet, professional and just smile inwardly knowing that he's a marine and that he doesn't have to measure penis's. It makes me wonder what MOS' he is I'm thinking quartermaster or possibly cook. </div></div>

your not alone in your thinking
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"combat action ribbon" is that like the army's combat action badge? Because if it is it's like the participation ribbon from kindergarten field day... way to go... I bet you regal and wooo all the hot babes with that one don't you?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Daps!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"combat action ribbon" is that like the army's combat action badge? Because if it is it's like the participation ribbon from kindergarten field day... way to go... I bet you regal and wooo all the hot babes with that one don't you? </div></div>

on that note, that is the equivelant of the CIB, only every marine can get it because every marine is a rifleman. it is as easy to get as being shot at,but thats not saying he hasnt earned. but i dont think the OP has been through anything rough to get it. its a fine line in the USMC, when it comes to who has done what and who says they did what.. by his actions here, im guessing he ""saw" in IED go off about 10 vehicles in front of him and the entire convoy was awarded it.. its highly unlikely he has ever closed with and destroyed anything not on xbox
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LostMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Daps! said:
"combat action ribbon" is that like the army's combat action badge? Because if it is it's like the participation ribbon from kindergarten field day... way to go... I bet you regal and wooo all the hot babes with that one don't you? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lostmarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on that note, that is the equivelant of the CIB, only every marine can get it because every marine is a rifleman. it is as easy to get as being shot at,but thats not saying he hasnt earned.

its highly unlikely he has ever closed with and destroyed anything not on xbox </div></div>
So it is the same. The CAB was designed to give others like engineers and tankers equal status award wise with the infantry. However it morphed into a hand out given to REMF who were on the base when it got mortared. All you need to have earned it is to be "engaged by the enemy"
And I agree with your assessment.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Daps!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LostMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Daps! said:
"combat action ribbon" is that like the army's combat action badge? Because if it is it's like the participation ribbon from kindergarten field day... way to go... I bet you regal and wooo all the hot babes with that one don't you? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lostmarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on that note, that is the equivelant of the CIB, only every marine can get it because every marine is a rifleman. it is as easy to get as being shot at,but thats not saying he hasnt earned.

its highly unlikely he has ever closed with and destroyed anything not on xbox </div></div>
So it is the same. The CAB was designed to give others like engineers and tankers equal status award wise with the infantry. However it morphed into a hand out given to REMF who were on the base when it got mortared. All you need to have earned it is to be "engaged by the enemy"
And I agree with your assessment. </div></div>

It is, but it isnt. Every Marine is a rifleman, not every soldier is. I know this is true because im am a formeer marine, that is an now an army soldier (infantry.) Depending on the time frame than a CAR was awarded can say how he "earned" it, because the Regs have gone back and forth to eliminate the POG's from seeng action and not participating. They dont want it to be the "me too" CAB the army has, so as of right now, yes, you need to be decisivley engaged with the enemy to be awarded. I ask CAB holders all the time, tell how you earned that, and how was your first firefight.. can you guess the answer.. I saw an ied .. most of them anyway.. some guys have real horror stories, but most are few and far between, where as if you ask a CIB holder, you know your gonna get something relevent. and same thing for most of the CAR holders.. i dunno, this is way offtopic now, but i thought i would shed some light since i wear both, well, used to...
 
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I don't know about the marines or any combat action ribbon, but to get the Combat Infantry Badge, you had to servie as an infantryman, in combat for at least 6 months, OR, get wounded prior to the six months, while serving as an infantryman.

Or that's how it use to be. Don't know what this new army does, I understand it started to change in Panama where anybody could get one. I sent a nasty letter to the Sec. of the Army when I heard some female MP got one in Panama, but they recended her CIB.

I'm glad I'm not in any longer.
 
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When I got mine you had to have been in a Firefight and fired your weapon back at the enemy. You needed 2 Sworn Statements one being from your TL or above. As far as I know that's still the requirement but I've been out for almost 2 years.
 
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Well now that my thread which started innocent enough has gone to complete shit I mid as well clarify the Marine Corps criteria for the combat action ribbon.

Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Action_Ribbon


As for if I earned it or not that's not well go ahead and debate all day. However I see it being a valid concern with all the bronze stars and such the army was handing out like candy.

Here's a website the govt has so one can "prove" if they have it. Being that it is a personal decoration, not a unit award.


Search Results



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Name Last 4 SSN Rank Branch Award Action Dates Operation Unit Location
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx *****xxxx E5 USMC CAR 05/14/2003 - 05/14/2003 IRAQI FREEDOM E 2/25 IRAQ ASH SHATRAH
1 - 1

naturally I took out my name and social. I totally forgot about this website. I love google.


Here it is for you hard chargers. Put in your own info and see what you come up with. cut and paste the link

https://www.manpower.usmc.mil/pls/a...510356:SEARCH_PI:NO:RP:P1_SEARCH_PI_VALUE:YES








6 days to Pain.
 
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I am gonna second what T-Wall said as I just graduated Basic back in October... I dont know if it was stated but where is he going to basic at? And the mags are shitty I got lucky and didnt get any bad ones although I had alot of friends get marksman because of the missfeeds...

Daniel Logue
 
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I'm pretty sure that both of the Marine instructors that I had when I went to RSLC were a hell of a lot more bad ass than a cook; funny they never felt the need to disparage any other service or measure dicks. Quiet professionals. Really, I would like to see a DD214...
 
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i was a force recon scout sniper as wellas being part of the mtu unit and training new recruits at edson range as a pmi instructor and the best advice i can give you is to not show him anything. let the drill instructors or shooting instructors show him everything , as it is def much easier to train a person how to shoot if they have never done it before or if they have never been instructed the wrong way and have since developed bad habbits. not that you dont know what you are doing or are not a capable marksman but civ vs military are two totally different things and it is best to let the instructors show him how to shoot the way they instruct students to shoot. so the best thing you can do for him is to do nothing for him.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know about the marines or any combat action ribbon, but to get the Combat Infantry Badge, you had to servie as an infantryman, in combat for at least 6 months, OR, get wounded prior to the six months, while serving as an infantryman.

Or that's how it use to be. Don't know what this new army does, I understand it started to change in Panama where anybody could get one. I sent a nasty letter to the Sec. of the Army when I heard some female MP got one in Panama, but they recended her CIB.

I'm glad I'm not in any longer. </div></div>

AR600-8-22 11 December 2006



<span style="font-style: italic">8–6. Combat Infantryman Badge
a. For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements: (1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the
CIB.

b. The specific eligibility criteria for the CIB require that
(1) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or special forces officer (SSI 11 or 18) in the grade of colonel or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or Special Forces MOS, who subsequent to 6 December 1941 has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger or special forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat. Eligibility for Special Forces personnel in Military Occupational Specialties (MOS) 18B, 18E, 18F, and 18Z (less Special Forces medical sergeant) accrues from 20 December 1989. Retroactive awards of the CIB to Special Forces personnel are not authorized prior to 20 December 1989.
(2) A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or Special Forces primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy. The unit in question can be of any size smaller than brigade. For example, personnel possessing an infantry MOS in a rifle squad of a cavalry platoon in a cavalry troop would be eligible for award of the CIB. Battle or campaign participation credit alone is not sufficient; the unit must have been in active ground combat with the enemy during the period.
(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or Special Forces MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or Special Forces SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or Special Forces tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy.
(4) Awards will not be made to general officers or to members of headquarters companies of units larger in size than brigade.
(5) On or after 18 September 2001—
(a) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or special forces (SSI 11 or 18) in the grade of colonel or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or special forces MOS, who has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger or special forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires.
(b) A Soldier must be personally present and under fire while serving in an assigned infantry or Special Forces primary duty, in a unit engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires.
(c) Soldiers possessing MOS of 18D (Special Force Medical Sergeant) who satisfactorily perform special forces duties while assigned or attached to a special forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat may be awarded the CIB. These Soldiers must have been personally present and engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires. Retroactive awards under these criteria are not authorized for service prior to 18 September 2001.
(d) Those Soldiers possessing MOS of 18D who qualify for award of the CMB from 18 September 2001 to 3 June 2005 will remain qualified for the badge. Upon request any such Soldier may be awarded the CIB instead of the CMB. I n s u c h i n s t a n c e s , t h e S o l d i e r m u s t s u b m i t a r e q u e s t t h r o u g h t h e c h a in o f c o m m a n d t o U S A H R C , A T T N : AHRC–PDO–PA, 200 Stovall Street, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471 for conversion of the CMB to the CIB.
(e) Service members from the other U.S. Armed Forces and foreign military (infantry and Special Forces equiva- lents) assigned or attached as a member of a U.S. Army infantry or Special Forces unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size may be considered for award of the CIB. All basic requirements as listed above must be met. Retroactive awards under these criteria are not authorized for service prior to 18 September 2001.
c. The CIB is authorized for award for the following qualifying wars, conflicts, and operations:
(1) World War II (7 December 1941 to 3 September 1945).
(2) The Korean War (27 June 1950 to 27 July 1953).
(3) Republic of Vietnam Conflict (2 March 1961 to 28 March 1973), combined with qualifying service in Laos (19 April 1961 to 6 October 1962).
(4) Dominican Republic (28 April 1965 to 1 September 1966).
(5) Korea on the DMZ (4 January 1969 to 31 March 1994).
(6) El Salvador (1 January 1981 to 1 February 1992).
(7) Grenada (23 October to 21 November 1983).
(8) Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea (23 November 1984).
(9) Panama (20 December 1989 to 31 January 1990).
(10) Southwest Asia Conflict (17 January to 11 April 1991).
(11) Somalia (5 June 1992 to 31 March 1994).
(12) Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom, 5 December 2001 to a date to be determined).
(13) Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom, 19 March 2003 to a date to be determined). d. The special provision authorized for the War on Terrorism is listed in this paragraph. The CIB may be awarded to recognize those U.S. Army Infantry and Special Forces Soldiers embedded in formed Afghan National Army or Iraqi infantry/special force units, or Iraqi specialized Infantry type units, of brigade, regimental or smaller size, or assigned as advisors to a foreign infantry/special forces comparable to the above infantry units, as tactical advisors, trainers or performing liaison duties, during the time that the supported infantry/special force unit engages in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires. Qualified Soldiers must have been personally present and participated in the combat operations.</span>



As you can read for yourself above, you must hold an infantry MOS, be in an infantry position in a unit brigade / regiment or smaller, Colonel or below and PERSONALLY PRESENT AND UNDER FIRE with a unit engaged in ground combat.

I've yet to meet anyone who actually received their CIB outside of the above listed perimeters- of course I've heard stories of it galore. Usually from non-infantry.