I got a pack of Don's springs when.he retired. And put them in my 3 CZ's.nnkt sure if I have anymore left.
CZ 457
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I got a pack of Don's springs when.he retired. And put them in my 3 CZ's.nnkt sure if I have anymore left.
I've been bitten by the nrl 22 bug. My 457 MTR came in two days ago and made a trip to the range the next day. I had a box full of different ammo to try out. I found that it likes just about anything with "match" in the title. Other ammo even the cci will sometimes be hard to feed. Meaning hard to close the bolt. Like the round goes in 99% of the way but that last little bit takes some effort to make the bolt close. All of the match grade stuff fed fine and the bolt closed "normal".
I know that CZ says this rifle has a "match" chamber, is this the cause of the tight to close bolt on the non match ammo? I'm wondering if this is normal or if there may be something wrong with the rifle. I've only put about 75 rounds through it at this point. Maybe it will loosen up, or maybe this is normal for this rifle. I plan to shoot match ammo anyway so it probably doesn't matter. But any feedback is appreciated.
I know that CZ says this rifle has a "match" chamber, is this the cause of the tight to close bolt on the non match ammo? I'm wondering if this is normal or if there may be something wrong with the rifle. I've only put about 75 rounds through it at this point. Maybe it will loosen up, or maybe this is normal for this rifle. I plan to shoot match ammo anyway so it probably doesn't matter. But any feedback is appreciated.
I would say it's nothing to be concerned about. The CCI SV bullet profile and driving band is IMO just a tad longer than a lot of other ammo. It's hard to see but in this photo I believe it shows the CCI "top" being longer than the other. Not longer in OAL but the section that engraves the rifling. My rifles are the same as yours when it comes to taking a little extra effort to close the bolt on CCI SV.
I literally just bought a scout model, to be put in some chassis I haven't decided yet. Timing could not be worse.
To be honest, I only noticed it when I got their LEO/MIL price list and had to dig around on here a bit to even find a post about it. Super under the radar
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I prefer the simplicity and appearance of the VPT's Manners stock over any chassis I've ever seen. Whether shooting offhand, prone, off rests on a bench, or whatever, the Manners stock just fits me to a 'T'. Granted, the VPT stock doesn't have an adjustable cheekpiece, but considering how low the scopes on my 457s sit when using a BScar rail & low rings, I don't need one. I realize that one size doesn't fit all where stocks are concerned, but it'll be interesting to see the price point of the new chassis 457 vs that of the VPT, and then how the chassis sells compared to the VPT.
Flatland1,
Are you well versed in the Manners lineup? I looked at Manners stocks and like their MCS-T4. Concerns are, can I buy one that is readily available or do I have to wait on it to be made and final price when I add an adjustable cheek riser.
With the alternative of the KRG Bravo and its price point, I'm not sure the extra expense of the Manners is warranted. It appears at this moment neither offer the 457 inlet. This reply is not intended to be argumentative but if I could be educated on the Manners by people with first hand knowledge I'd be grateful.
Are you well versed in the Manners lineup? I looked at Manners stocks and like their MCS-T4. Concerns are, can I buy one that is readily available or do I have to wait on it to be made and final price when I add an adjustable cheek riser.
With the alternative of the KRG Bravo and its price point, I'm not sure the extra expense of the Manners is warranted. It appears at this moment neither offer the 457 inlet. This reply is not intended to be argumentative but if I could be educated on the Manners by people with first hand knowledge I'd be grateful.
you can buy 457 stocks from manners that are readily available under the ready to ship tab on their site. yesterday when i was on there, i saw 2. they are the VPT stock though. you can special order just about any of their stocks to be inletted for the 457. you would just have to wait the standard 6+ months or so for the stock. unfortunately, the way the online stock builder is set up, you would need to call them direct to get it ordered.
i have heard a bunch of chatter that the krg bravo for the 457 will be out after the first of the year
I've got 10 Manners stocks - six T4As, three PRS1Ts (including the one on the VPT), and a V-22 sporter in an EH2. The A in the T4A stands for adjustable cheekpiece - four of mine are on Bighorn TL2 & TL3 short actions, the fifth is on a M70, and the single T4A Elite was on my 1st V-22, before I replaced it with the PRS1T that's on it now. The two adjustable PRS1Ts are on V-22s, and the one that came on the 457 VPT has the solid vs adjustable cheek piece. I prefer the PRS1 stocks because they're nearly a pound lighter than the T4As, and even a bit lighter than the one Elite T4A w/carbon fiber shell. As I mentioned, by using the BScar scope rail & 30mm low rings on the three CZ457s, I don't need an adjustable cheekpiece to get a good cheek weld in prone on the 457 VPT.
The only rifles I own that I'd consider buying a chassis for are four built on Howa Mini actions. One of them is in a McMillan Game Scout stock, and it's tolerable for prone use. Another one is in a Boyds ProVarmint with adjustable cheekpiece, which is fine, except for the weight. Another one is in a B&C #1003 stock, and it's also usable in prone. The one that's really a PITA prone is in a Boyds Prairie Hunter stock, and it flat won't work in prone. As scarce as a light weight prone stock is for the Mini action, a chassis might be a good choice for them.
Got to put a couple hundred rounds through my 457 mtr over the weekend, had it out from 50 to 200yards, was a pleasure to shoot. I can see me putting many rounds down range with it. This is my first .22lr rifle. Can’t believe how fun they are to shoot, and can’t wait to get it out again. Once I got the windage dialed up it was almost hard to miss at 200 ?
group was from 50 yards with Aguila high velocity, wasn’t even the best group I’ve gotten with it, and also the reticle is a little thick imo for really precise shooting, but regardless I was happy with it. I’m very tempted to pull my minox ZP5 5-25 mr4 off my LR rig, I’d definitely get more use out of it on this .22 I think, I may need someone to persuade me to do so lol, I’d end up putting the Athlon on an ar15 and an Arken 4-16 on my LR setup.. decisions decisions
I want to try some better ammo also, only stuff I had on hand.
Anyone recommend some decent .22 ammo without spending a ton? Mostly plinking from 50 to 300 yards, gonna annihilate some groundhogs for a buddy farmer of mine in the spring as well.
group was from 50 yards with Aguila high velocity, wasn’t even the best group I’ve gotten with it, and also the reticle is a little thick imo for really precise shooting, but regardless I was happy with it. I’m very tempted to pull my minox ZP5 5-25 mr4 off my LR rig, I’d definitely get more use out of it on this .22 I think, I may need someone to persuade me to do so lol, I’d end up putting the Athlon on an ar15 and an Arken 4-16 on my LR setup.. decisions decisions
I want to try some better ammo also, only stuff I had on hand.
Anyone recommend some decent .22 ammo without spending a ton? Mostly plinking from 50 to 300 yards, gonna annihilate some groundhogs for a buddy farmer of mine in the spring as well.
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My MTR really likes just about anything that says "SK" on the box. I've done a lot of testing of different lots to find one my rifles like, and was very pleased with a particular lot of SK Std+ I picked out of a batch of five lots. Three of the five lots shot really well; so good in fact that I had to go back through and shoot another set of 10rd groups at 50yds with all five. It was still a bit of a toss-up over which one of the three best to pick, but after I'd made my choice and bought a case of it, I'm very pleased with the lot# I picked. Only regret is only buying one case of it - should've bought at least two... Testing Lapua Center-X & SK Rifle Match, I went through about a dozen different lots of each before finding ones that were worth buying in quantity. I'm set for at least another year after buying two cases of Center-X & Rifle Match, and single cases of SK LR Match & Pistol Match. When I just want to plink with my 457 American or VPT, I've still got several bricks of a poor quality lot of Wolf Match Extra from several years ago - but its accuracy is poor enough that 25-50yds is about as far as I'll shoot it - I don't mind using it for just fun offhand plinking, but that & blasting away with new CZ bbls just to get some rounds through them to get them broken in are about all it's worth using it for.
The thing that makes purchasing quantities of good lots really worthwhile is that when I come across some really good ammo, it almost always shoots equally well out of all the custom bbls I've got on the rifles I've taken the time to work with. Even the better CZ factory bbls have shot their best with the lots I've tested & bought in quantity.
The thing that makes purchasing quantities of good lots really worthwhile is that when I come across some really good ammo, it almost always shoots equally well out of all the custom bbls I've got on the rifles I've taken the time to work with. Even the better CZ factory bbls have shot their best with the lots I've tested & bought in quantity.
Hello Mop,
So glad to see that you have a 419 bolt knob on your gun. It is so much nicer than the stock knob. I agree with Flatland. My MTR and Royal love SK rifle match. (red box) I get my ammo from target Sports USA. I place my MTR only behind my Vudoo. The MTR is a joy to shoot. It is so nice that I bought a Trijicon 5-50x56 for her. that is the same scope that I run on my V22.
I put a Athlon Cronus on my Annie and an Ares on my Royal. So I would say yes to putting a better scope on your MTR. My target shown was shot at 64 yards with SK red box. btw... DIP has an extended mag release for your gun. It is only 2mm longer but it is aluminum, the stock unit is plastic. I would also suggest a trigger job and spring replacement.
My CZ triggers are set to 10 oz. and very solid. The sketch is pretty good, though not mine. Item number 49 is backwards. Screw in decreases sear engagement. I like your check pad, who makes it? If you look at the fifth
photo just high and right of center, you can just make out my 200 yard steel.
I only wish the MTR had a threaded muzzle.
Shawn
EDIT: Target was shot at 64 yards without tuner. I snatched the trigger on the flier.
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wow thanks for the info Shawn.
I just switched optics out ? the cheek pad is just a kick eez pad, I think they’re like 12 bucks on amazon.
I think I may invest in some low rings, my scope height is just a tad tall for my liking.
Will definitely look into the mag release and SK ammo -have yet to dive into the trigger but I will try that also
also - I shoot a lot in NJ - being non threaded was part of what that sold me on it
I just switched optics out ? the cheek pad is just a kick eez pad, I think they’re like 12 bucks on amazon.
I think I may invest in some low rings, my scope height is just a tad tall for my liking.
Will definitely look into the mag release and SK ammo -have yet to dive into the trigger but I will try that also
also - I shoot a lot in NJ - being non threaded was part of what that sold me on it
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Shot my first 22 NRL match this weekend and my Cz 457 definitely didn’t hold me back any. I believe I’m truly addicted to these matches now. Haven’t had this much fun in a long time. Definitely need to practice my positional shooting. I was quite surprised with my third place finish, not bad for an old fat guy.
If you do the trigger, I would be happy to send you out lapping film, moly grease, silicon grease, .014 diameter and .018 diameter wire springs. It would probably take about two hours to do it but it is an easy task. The sear is easy to polish because it is such a large flat surface. It virtually keeps itself square and level.
Why did you want non threaded? I recently got my can and it makes shooting more pleasant. No more bulky
ear muffs.
I also have two Annie's and sadly I like my MTR better than them. They have their triggers set to the factory setting of 180 grams. ( 6.4 oz. )
Chat soon
Shawn
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That’d be really nice of you to hook me up with what I need for the trigger job, I’d love to give it a shot.
Usually I prefer my firearms threaded for suppressor purposes, but I have a few of them that are NJ compliant; can’t have a threaded barrel, and if you do it has to be with a non mountable muzzle brake, no FH, and has to be pinned and welded, few others but as far as the barrel threading is concerned that’s the crux of it.
Usually I prefer my firearms threaded for suppressor purposes, but I have a few of them that are NJ compliant; can’t have a threaded barrel, and if you do it has to be with a non mountable muzzle brake, no FH, and has to be pinned and welded, few others but as far as the barrel threading is concerned that’s the crux of it.
Hi Mop,
I will get it in the mail as soon as the post office opens. Thursday I hope. You can PM me your address. I'm in Tn. for now and we don't have very though gun laws.... at least that I know of. I was really happy that my suppressor only took 4.5 months to get into my hands. If I get another one in the next few months, I can do it all over the phone. They say my photo is good for one year and prints forever.
Shawn
Top is 250 yards and bottom is 300. The 3 on the right edge were from a 5 shot string. The shot by itself is from and earlier attempt to get on steel. I can't fit my chronograph on the barrel and I didn't see sk standard match in the ballistic app so I just guessed off of another bullet and a random velocity. Looking forward to getting more time to shoot this rifle but I really enjoyed it. I may have to get a vudoo instead of buying a new barrel for this rifle.
Hello Doctor,
I have been meaning to get back with you. The factory calls the bolt cross pin a "Locking Pin" As you know, the bolt needs to be in the closed position to align the hole in the firing pin hole to the locking pin itself. After much scrutiny I discovered part of my problem. When the bolt is in the open position, the pin is in the slot of the firing pin and thus retained or locked into position.
When the bolt is in the closed position, the firing pin spring is pushing on the firing pin forward and driving it into the very shallow groove in the locking pin. My locking pin has shallow but very sharp edges into the reduced section of the locking pin. The firing pin is ground on both sides so that the keyhole in it has very sharp and defined edges as well. That creates an effect similar to a trigger sear in that two sharp edges are just partially engaged.
What helps with my two CZs is to put the bolt in the closed position but then push the firing pin reward just a few thousandth's to align the true centerline of the hole with the true centerline of the pin. It appears to me that the firing pin spring is designed to lock the pin in place when the bolt is closed. If you go to CZ and download the 457 manual and zoom up on the bolt details all of the way, it will probably clear up anything that I may have missed. As soon as CZ offers spare locking pins, I'm going to get some and bevel the ends and the inside edges of the internal groove so as to facilitate the disassembly of my bolts.
Even though I know how to do it, mine are still a pain to remove and install. BTW to all .... if you ever lose the locking pin, you cant replace it with a straight pin with no groove. The design will not function without the grooved pin.
Shawn
Still have to clean up everything but for some reason the back of the action didn't go down against the pillar and the recoil lug. It is raised about 1/16", I'm not sure whether to take the bedding out and redo it or shoot it and see how it does first.
How do you know that you are .06 high? Above in entry #853, Dr. Glock has a great looking stock that he had bedded. If you look at the rear pillar you can see how thin his bedding material is because you can just make out the aluminum pillar color through the really thin bedding material. Also, he has a square around the pillar similar to yours. I'm just curious, it may be obvious when you have the stock in hand. Also, is using surgical tubing standard practice? I would have guessed that you would have used the action screws for the compression and also to keep the action aligned squarely in the stock. Again, just curious. I have never even read about bedding yet.
Shawn
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His is done perfectly. It's obvious in hand and I scraped a little away from the pillar to confirm. From the research I did, most recommend studs and using tubing or I have seen zip ties used. The theory is tightening the screws can induce stress. Not sure where I went wrong but it is bothering me. I thought it went well until I popped it loose. I know the recoil isn't an issue with a 22 so it will probably be ok. I'm going to try to shoot tomorrow to see how it shoots and go from there unless someone suggests otherwise.
So it sounds like they are using headless studs to keep the stock and action square to each other. I have seen many wood working applications using latex tubing for clamping things together while gluing them up, like chairs. So that makes total sense. I have never felt the need to do a bedding job but I do have a Ruger RPRR that may benefit from it. Some people are using HVAC foil tape for that gun and that doesn't feel right to me.
Best of luck
For anyone using an aftermarket barrel for their 455/457, other than Lilja what are you using and would you buy it again?
Bedding a rifle to stock should be a science not an art. Since there are a lot of different opinions an how to do it, I will give you mine. I use custom made studs to locate the receiver to the stock. The studs need to fit the attaching holes snugly, . I then locate the receiver where I want it to be after the bedding is done by using painters (blue) tape, applying three wrapped areas on the barrel. I want it not touching anything, you can check the fit before applying the bedding compound by using modeling clay near the screw holes to see the clearance. I do not use any pressure on the receiver while the compound is setting up. I do hold the barrel in place with rubber bands available from Brownells.
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I ordered machine screws and cut the heads off, then I used heat shrink to have a snug fit into the pillars after screwing them into the action. This second attempt looks much better, only issue I had was the rear pillar didn't appear to have been glued in place so it came up with the action when I separated the stock. Looks like a minor fix but I will post some pictures after I get everything cleaned up. Pretty happy with the way it turned out other than that.
Not the best pictures but it turned out better. The back pillar pulled out some so it chipped out around there. I will get better pictures when it's daylight out. The basement is too dark and the flash didn't make it any better.
I bought a couple of Shilen ratchet rifled select match blanks for my 457 American & Varmint MTR rifles, both because they have a decent reputation among 22RF BR shooters, and because they were in stock & immediately available. Never used a Shilen bbl before; but didn't want to wait several months to get a Bartlein, Benchmark, Krieger, or Lilja, the brands I've used previously to barrel or re-barrel actions. These two are both good shooters - good enough so that I wouldn't have reservations about using another Shilen. But to be honest, I've had such good results with Krieger 22RF bbls on 40X & V-22 actions, if time were no issue, I'd likely go that route.
flatland1,
Will Krieger make a drop in barrel for the 457? Will it come threaded? I need it for this.
Will Krieger make a drop in barrel for the 457? Will it come threaded? I need it for this.
Good eye and you are correct. Sparrow wouldn't fit so I moved the spigot to the bottom but had to use longer screws.
KOD - AFAIK, Krieger doesn't currently make any drop-in 22RF bbls. I have bought & used four Kriegers: my first 22RF bbl job on a Stiller 2500XR repeater, on a jelrod-converted 40XB repeater, and two V-22s - the 1st a bare action I bought not long after the V-22 came to market, and longer & heavier replacement for an 18" ACE in Ranch contour (the ACE bbl was shooting great, I just didn't care for how to the rear it balanced due to the very light Ranch contour bbl). All four have been exceptional shooters, but I haven't spoken with anyone at Krieger for a few months, so they may be considering doing some drop-in 22RF bbls for all I know.
After lurking in this group for awhile, I wanted a new squirrel/groundhog gun. Finally got all the pieces for my 457 .17hmr build, and was busy over the weekend. The MPA chassis and bolt knob showed up on Friday, and as soon as I unboxed it, sprayed the etching primer, and stencils and laid down the Krylon. Had the barrel threaded for a 1/2-28, and waiting for the Form 1 to be approved. I haven't touched the factory trigger, it breaks clean, and I like it just how it is. I topped it with a BScar rail and a PST Gen II 5-25. I know its not an AMG, but Vortex doesn't include a super sweet sticker with the PST, and I had it lying around from my AMG on my .300wm build. Hopefully the rain will hold off this weekend and can put some rounds through it.
CZ 455/457 Keystone custom barrel group buy #2 is up in the group subforum. I'll get PMs out to the guys that have already PM me asking to get in on the 2and group buy.
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I'm pretty happy for being cold and shooting the rifle for the second time. Both are 5 shot groups at 50 meters without the bullet diameter subtracted. Once it warms up I will play with ammo and see what the gun likes. I was really happy at 200 yards on steel, had a couple 3 shot groups that were 1.5"-2". I don't know if I was just lucky or how repeatable they will be but overall I'm very pleased with this rifle. 300 is challenging with the wind gusting. I was shooting lapua center x today.
I have gotten a lot of good info here, so I'll share my experiences for those considering a CZ 457.
The quick summary: It shoots great. .5moa at 50 yds is possible with SK Red ammo. Of five 5 shot groups I'll get 1 group under .5moa, 3 at around .6-.7 and one group right around 1moa. For 5 five shot groups at 50 yds, the average is .6moa. I'm happy. The only other ammo I've shot is CCI Std Vel and Green Tag, both of which shot really bad (surprisingly).
The long story:
I bought the 457 Pro Varmint model, 16.5" barrel. Paid about $560 at local shop. First off the action wiggled just a bit in the stock. You could move the end of the barrel and feel the receiver slide left to right a few thousands, as if it was pivoting on the rear action screw and sliding left-right on the front one. Over torquing the action screws didn't help. I applied a couple layers of tape on the sides of the stock near the front screw to snug it up.
I installed the 419 scope rail, 15moa. Hard to believe a modern rifle still includes dovetail instead of picatinny. With low Vortex rings for the 6-24x50mm Bushnell Engage the scope was a bit high for a good cheekweld. I 3D printed a makeshift cheek riser which works perfectly for now. I'm considering cutting the cheek riser off the stock and installing a spacer under it. I'd like to see if anyone has done that to get ideas.
At 100yds I'm getting about 1.1moa five shot groups. I see no POI shift or accuracy change when using suppressor, which is really good news, as I intend to shoot supressed all the time.
Since the action was wiggling in the stock I bought some Pete's Pillars. Something about a piece of tape inside the stock to firm it up doesn't seem right with me. Since accuracy is acceptable, I hope I don't make things worse.
I'm interested in considering a chassis stock, something with adjustabilty, maybe even the AT-ONE stock, but I'll shoot a bit more before committing to that.
The quick summary: It shoots great. .5moa at 50 yds is possible with SK Red ammo. Of five 5 shot groups I'll get 1 group under .5moa, 3 at around .6-.7 and one group right around 1moa. For 5 five shot groups at 50 yds, the average is .6moa. I'm happy. The only other ammo I've shot is CCI Std Vel and Green Tag, both of which shot really bad (surprisingly).
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I bought the 457 Pro Varmint model, 16.5" barrel. Paid about $560 at local shop. First off the action wiggled just a bit in the stock. You could move the end of the barrel and feel the receiver slide left to right a few thousands, as if it was pivoting on the rear action screw and sliding left-right on the front one. Over torquing the action screws didn't help. I applied a couple layers of tape on the sides of the stock near the front screw to snug it up.
I installed the 419 scope rail, 15moa. Hard to believe a modern rifle still includes dovetail instead of picatinny. With low Vortex rings for the 6-24x50mm Bushnell Engage the scope was a bit high for a good cheekweld. I 3D printed a makeshift cheek riser which works perfectly for now. I'm considering cutting the cheek riser off the stock and installing a spacer under it. I'd like to see if anyone has done that to get ideas.
At 100yds I'm getting about 1.1moa five shot groups. I see no POI shift or accuracy change when using suppressor, which is really good news, as I intend to shoot supressed all the time.
Since the action was wiggling in the stock I bought some Pete's Pillars. Something about a piece of tape inside the stock to firm it up doesn't seem right with me. Since accuracy is acceptable, I hope I don't make things worse.
I'm interested in considering a chassis stock, something with adjustabilty, maybe even the AT-ONE stock, but I'll shoot a bit more before committing to that.
For stock/chassis options, it's getting better all the time. KRG is now offering their Bravo stock for the 457. MDT has one as well as MPA. I am very happy with my MPA. Honestly I would have never bought it but I got over $200 off over the Black Friday sales and still that was a lot of money.
Comparing CZ 457 with MPA and ACC MDT plus and minus on what I want, dollar wise they are close . I do want an adjustable buttstock with thumb knobs. MPA has a 6 to 8 lead time. It my be less if I talked to sales. The color is stock
@Massoud just posted about it in the KRG 2020 thread in the bolt action forums. so i guess that counts as official right?
Got an email from KRG notifying me with their new products coming out.
My NRL22 base class CZ 457 ProVarmint with Swampfox Patriot scope, magpul bipod and wiebad bag. A killer little rig.
Hello ACO, Good looking rig. May I suggest the AREA 419 bolt knob. It extends the lever arm making it much nicer to cycle the bolt. I just picked up the CZ 457 At-One today and it's trigger is set to 14 oz.
I have had good luck with SK rifle match. What type of ammo are you using?
Shawn
