CZ 457
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Not the APRS1. I love that tiny center dot for 22lr shooting. Have another Cronus BTR with the APRS1 on the way for the new RimX testing and review
That is why I switched to Swampfox. Tiny center dot for reticle center, thin lines and bright glass. For a fraction of the cost. You shouldn't have to buy a $1500+ scope to have good glass and a friendly reticle.
You're right. All the leading scope manufacturers should pull their head out of their ass and start making better stuff like swampfox. Lol. Everyone should switch to Chinese glass
I wholeheartedly agree, despite your terrible sarcasm.
I used Athlon, I used Vortex, I even used Kahles. For the price, I've been amazed with the Swampfox scopes.
Call me whatever you want, but I find it ludicrous to spend a fortune on a scope for a rifle you only shoot at targets from 20 to 100 yards. You could do that with a Barska or BSA from Wal-Mart.
But if it makes you feel better about yourself, spend all you want. I love it when people show up with Nightforce scopes and only shoot 350 on the NRL stages.
Every single person who has looked through my scope has agreed that the glass is better than any Athlon Argos or Midas. Even when comparing side-by-side.
So, be a smartass all you want. I'll put my Patriot up against ANY scope of similar MSRP. Chinese, Japanese, Nigerian, Australian, whatever you can imagine.
If I didnt believe in the product, and feel that it wasnt superior, I wouldn't use it
I shoot my 22lr weekly from 300-500yds. I dont sit at the 100yd line. I'm not even going to get into the Chinese OEM vs Japanese glass. That's been hashed 100x. Rock on with your bad self.
Wait. Now its you'll put it up against any scope of similar MSRP???? A minute ago it was a Athlong Cronus BTR...
Learn to read. I said a person shouldn't have to spend $1500 to have a good reticle and good glass.
I can read. You left our the sentence before that one.. it's ok. We get it. Your swampfox is the shit. We hear you
I don't have a dog in this fight but I do have a Swamp Fox Kentucky Long range 3-18, Althlon Midas BTR 4.5-27, Riton Mod 7 5-25, Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18, Vortex Diamonback HP's (have had 4 but only have 2 right now), and a few other lower end scopes.
Here is my take on the SF ***Disclaimer*** - I am not an optics snob and don't own any great glass because they are outside of my budget right now. I do think you get what you pay for. I do look for a great bang for your buck.
Glass wise the Swamp Fox is slightly better than my Athlon Midas BTR (gen 1), or it was on the day I was comparing it with a buddy of mine looking at deer that were 400-500 yards away (snow on the ground and a slightly overcast day).
Comparing the SF against the Riton (japanese glass), is a little bit harder. I need more time behind them both outdoors. I looks for about 5 minutes last weekend and I haven't come to any conclusions other than I need more time.
The SwampFox is a great scope for the price with nice glass for me but I know if I could drop double the money or more on a scope and get even a Vortex PST Gen 2 or Athlon Cronus, I would have better glass. Optics is one of the areas where at certain price ranges, you get what you pay for.
Here is my take on the SF ***Disclaimer*** - I am not an optics snob and don't own any great glass because they are outside of my budget right now. I do think you get what you pay for. I do look for a great bang for your buck.
Glass wise the Swamp Fox is slightly better than my Athlon Midas BTR (gen 1), or it was on the day I was comparing it with a buddy of mine looking at deer that were 400-500 yards away (snow on the ground and a slightly overcast day).
Comparing the SF against the Riton (japanese glass), is a little bit harder. I need more time behind them both outdoors. I looks for about 5 minutes last weekend and I haven't come to any conclusions other than I need more time.
The SwampFox is a great scope for the price with nice glass for me but I know if I could drop double the money or more on a scope and get even a Vortex PST Gen 2 or Athlon Cronus, I would have better glass. Optics is one of the areas where at certain price ranges, you get what you pay for.
I joined the 457 club. I'll need to get out in the next few weeks and get it sighted in
I've never given a Leupold scope a try. I do enjoy the Midas tac. I think they are great scopes for the money.
I've put Athlon 6-24x50 mil Midas TAC scopes on 457 American & Varmint Precision Trainer rifles, and although it's not terribly hard to see the difference in optical quality between the TAC & Athlon Cronus, that hasn't stopped me from enjoying shooting behind the Midas TAC scopes. And because I always carry a V22 sporter while out & about with my dog - early in the morning & late at night before bed, I needed a sfp scope w/illuminated reticle, so recently bought a couple of Midas BTR Gen 2 scopes for the V22 & an AR15 SPR that I carry in my truck full-time. I really like the Athlon reticles, tracking, optical quality, and now - with the Gen 2 Midas & Ares scopes' improved turrets - the very audible/tactile clicks of these turrets. And their affordable pricing means I don't have to 'make do' with some of the older scopes I've had on various rifles over the years that lack features such as zero stops. Overall, I'm very pleased with Athlon's upgrades in response to user/owner input over the past four years.
I just purchased a 457 elite package from Area 419. I'm debating on the optic of choice. The Midas Tac and Ares are high on my list.
Yes, I do love my SwampFox optics, but they are very limited to selection right now. Yes, they have exceptional scopes for $500-$600. But if you're looking for something a significant step up, they dont have anything to offer at this time.
Which leads me to something, as I said, like the Ares or even a Razor.
Yes, I do love my SwampFox optics, but they are very limited to selection right now. Yes, they have exceptional scopes for $500-$600. But if you're looking for something a significant step up, they dont have anything to offer at this time.
Which leads me to something, as I said, like the Ares or even a Razor.
This is my VPT after re-barreling with a Shilen ratchet rifled .850" dia straight cylinder blank that I finished at 22". I used a PTG EPS match reamer, and the rifle loves a known good lot# of Center-X - it might even shoot this ammo a tiny bit better than the Krieger & Bartlein bbls on my V22s out to 200yds. Need to find the time on a day with decent conditions to compare the three rifles with this ammo at 50/100/200. I put an Athlon Cronus (older, pre-BTR) on it in TPS TSR low rings on a BScar 25 MOA rail, and really haven't felt the need for a stock pack or other means of producing a higher comb.
This is the first & so far only VPT I've seen that came with the trigger finished in the same black nitride as the action - all the others I've looked at had a polished and/or chromed trigger. I mixed about 20% tungsten in with graphite black when I CeraKoted the bbl, in an attempt to match the black nitride finish of the action. Like previous re-barrel projects of the 457, I glued this one in instead of trying to figure out how to hold the bbl to machine the grub screw seats in the tenon. In addition to being simpler, the glue-in puts no stress on either the action or bbl.
This is the first & so far only VPT I've seen that came with the trigger finished in the same black nitride as the action - all the others I've looked at had a polished and/or chromed trigger. I mixed about 20% tungsten in with graphite black when I CeraKoted the bbl, in an attempt to match the black nitride finish of the action. Like previous re-barrel projects of the 457, I glued this one in instead of trying to figure out how to hold the bbl to machine the grub screw seats in the tenon. In addition to being simpler, the glue-in puts no stress on either the action or bbl.
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The 457 I ordered from 419 has the Bartlein barrel. Anxious to see how it compares to my stock ProVarmint barrel, which has been performing amazingly.
Really like the looks of the VPT's. Enough that I went with the Manners stock over the MPA chassis.
Really like the looks of the VPT's. Enough that I went with the Manners stock over the MPA chassis.
Only tried some CCI SV that I used in my RPRR. Ejection was flawless. I used a 419 30 MOA rail and Seekins 30mm low rings (.82"). That was the lowest I could find and everything had plenty of clearance without being too high. Accuracy is probably a little better because I'm shooting off a pretty wobbly table on my back porch, 50 yards. I can get out to 95 yards in my back yard but haven tried it out there yet.
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Plenty of travel left. Could probably go down another full turn on the Vortex scope.
Wanted to show you all the Anarchy Outdoors extended magazine release. It sticks out .5" beyond
the stock. The DIP EMR is a very nice product but it only sticks out about .12" The new AO release guides the mag into the well and the mag drops out clear on it's own. There is no more using your fingernail to get to the release and fighting with a fairly stout spring. EDIT: I have found replacement springs but the only work on the factory or DIP release.
I happen to have an ACE #22 trigger shoe that I put on my MTR and it makes the trigger feel much nicer. I had already done a lap job and spring swap, so the trigger breaks clean at 10 oz. KOD did his trigger with the same .014" wire spring and his trigger breaks at 7.6 oz.
My MTR shoots so well that bought a second Trijicon 5-50x56 for her. I bought my first one for my V22 from B&H camera and they have a 30 day test drive return policy and 12 months with zero interest.
I would think that the Ext mag release would work great for you guy's putting your 457s in a chassis.
Hope this info helps.....
Shawn
the stock. The DIP EMR is a very nice product but it only sticks out about .12" The new AO release guides the mag into the well and the mag drops out clear on it's own. There is no more using your fingernail to get to the release and fighting with a fairly stout spring. EDIT: I have found replacement springs but the only work on the factory or DIP release.
I happen to have an ACE #22 trigger shoe that I put on my MTR and it makes the trigger feel much nicer. I had already done a lap job and spring swap, so the trigger breaks clean at 10 oz. KOD did his trigger with the same .014" wire spring and his trigger breaks at 7.6 oz.
My MTR shoots so well that bought a second Trijicon 5-50x56 for her. I bought my first one for my V22 from B&H camera and they have a 30 day test drive return policy and 12 months with zero interest.
I would think that the Ext mag release would work great for you guy's putting your 457s in a chassis.
Hope this info helps.....
Shawn
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I have one of these Royal's with the longer bbl. I also have the MTR and the AT-One. I wish I would have passed on this one and got Lux....
How much of a pain is the mag release install? I want to order one for all my CZ's.
The Anarchy release is easier to install than the factory or the DIP type. The AO model has a smaller diameter spring pocket in it. Therefore the spring locks into the release instead of falling out or wondering around. You simply push out the pivot pin, remove the spring and replace the spring into the new release. If you give the spring a little twist it will squeeze into the pocket and stay put. I always put some orange finger nail polish on cross pins that have no other means of retention.
The release shown is my first DIP type that is only .080" longer than standard. I have used silicon grease to temporarily retain it's spring during assembly just like the factory does. You wont need it with the AO release. Both releases cost about $20.00
It is likely the same but my description is for the 457 release. I don't own any prior models.
I would also suggest you get the 457 trigger lapping and spring kit as well. It comes with 9 and 3 micron film, .018",.014" springs and silicon and moly grease to do the job.
Shawn Carroll
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Did you shoot more groups that that? What were those results? That is a nice looking chassis.
I'd like to add to this. The CZ mag releases have been unchanged since the BRNO days back in the 40's, they are all the same. I know, I have these rifles and bought extended mag releases from DIP and AO.
Also the $20 kit is well worth it. I got one and took my trigger down to a ten pull average of 7.6 oz as shown on my gauge. I have pulled below 7oz before. My trigger is worth $250 IMO because it's, to be honest a perfect trigger.
Didn't shoot any more groups on paper, but I set a row of spent .22 cases out at 50 yards and was picking them off pretty easy. Lots of fun and I'm really happy with my first CZ. I'll install a lighter trigger spring and bolt knob, and I put on a vertical ERGO grip that I feel helps control a bit.
I am thinking about ordering a cz 457 varmint. Will the 457 varmint drop into a Boyd’s at one stock and use the factory bottom metal, mag, and magazine release? The reason I’m not just ordering the at one Oem cz offering is because I want to choose the color of the stock and I want the 20” barrel.
There is no difference between the 457 ProVarmint and the 457 At-One other than the stock.
I believe the Varmint, not Pro Varmint, comes with a 20” non threaded barrel. I think the 20” barrel was the reason he wants the Varmint. Any of the CZ457’s should drop right in to the Boyds stock as long as you buy the stock with the right barrel contour. The factory bottom metal should work as well. I would recommend the extended mag release from Anarchy Outdoors however. The factory mag release is really tiny and tough to use.
FYI...
If you get any 457, you will be happier if you get the AREA 419 rail and bolt knob, Anarchy Outdoors release and do a trigger job. At least if you want to have something like a 10 oz. trigger.
Lefty 222 did a nice job on the trigger sketch but he got #49 backwards. Tighten the screw reduces the sear engagement. It is not shown but #53 is also the centerline of the spring. That screw when turned in will increase trigger pull because the spring pre load will increase.
My At-One is below and the bbl. stick out is four inches from the front of the stock.
I like to shoot with my silencer so the 16" threaded bbl. suits me. I would however like a new
Boyd's in blue with all of the adjustments.
btw.... An ACE #21 or #22 trigger shoe will fit the 457 trigger blade and it feels great !!
Best of luck
Shawn
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Discovered that MPA offers a clamp-on scope base for the CZ457. It doesn't have a built in level like the 419 but is another option.
(Personally I have 2ea 455's wearing stainless extended Murphy rails that use set screws and are also JB welded in place. )
(Personally I have 2ea 455's wearing stainless extended Murphy rails that use set screws and are also JB welded in place. )
Thanks for the 457 rail info. I have three of the 419 rails and the level is pretty useless except for during installation. Meaning that I cant see it while engaging the target. I personally would not use the auxiliary set screw and risk putting dimples into my receiver. It's my feeling that 4 clamp points would be more than enough. The bolt knob has a nice shape as well. It is just a little glossy in relation to the action for my taste.
I have mentioned this before but.... If I bought a DIP, scar or other rail that uses set screws driven from the top to hold the rail in place, I would put some number eight lead shot under the flat point set screws to protect my action. That is what Bob from DIP suggested to me when I was looking for a Sako Quad Range rail. Luckily, AREA 419 has a clamp on rail for that gun as well.
Shawn
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RE: Anschutz
My friend Tim Y loaned me his Anschutz extended magazine release and I was able to shoot it for the first time yesterday. It is worth every dime !! The magazines drop out with no help required. I will end up shooting this gun now that the miserable factory release is gone. Since the magazines drop out, I can even use the 10 five round magazines.
I have another new 1416 with a beaver tail stock too. Now I will get a blue Boyds stock and shoot her as well. I had been thinking of selling them both mainly due to the release. As you can see, I shoot her so little that I have not even filled out my DOPE card.
They both shoot really well with a 18" bbl. They come with the 5098 trigger set to 6.3 oz. from Anschutz. Last night I found a trigger shoe on GB for her as well and is in the mail. I will let you all know how it fits and feels when it arrives.
Originally I had some trouble mounting a scope on my Annie so Bob at DIP adjusted the standard rail and made me some extended 1416 rails. (shown in the white) It has built in cant and it uses screws to attach to the receiver and not set screws. It works great !! In photo #6 you can see that with a big scope, I had to have my scope mount stance wide and had to use UTG adapters that hit the crown of the receiver and were nearly coming off. DIP now offers an extended rail as a standard product.
In photo 5 "bolt to mount clearance" you can see how close the bolt handle and scope mount is.
Thanks so much Bob !!
The mounts that I use the most are UTG PRO. Shown in photo #5. They seem to be well made and are very reasonable. The clamping screw is counter sunk so that no mounting hardware sticks out from the body of the mount. They are narrow at the rail to facilitate bolt clearance.
As you can see in photo #7 with some other rings, They would not have cleared if the mount was rotated 180*.
The UTG adapters are great for some guns like the CZ 457 because the top of the receiver has been flattened.
Regards
Shawn
My friend Tim Y loaned me his Anschutz extended magazine release and I was able to shoot it for the first time yesterday. It is worth every dime !! The magazines drop out with no help required. I will end up shooting this gun now that the miserable factory release is gone. Since the magazines drop out, I can even use the 10 five round magazines.
I have another new 1416 with a beaver tail stock too. Now I will get a blue Boyds stock and shoot her as well. I had been thinking of selling them both mainly due to the release. As you can see, I shoot her so little that I have not even filled out my DOPE card.
They both shoot really well with a 18" bbl. They come with the 5098 trigger set to 6.3 oz. from Anschutz. Last night I found a trigger shoe on GB for her as well and is in the mail. I will let you all know how it fits and feels when it arrives.
Originally I had some trouble mounting a scope on my Annie so Bob at DIP adjusted the standard rail and made me some extended 1416 rails. (shown in the white) It has built in cant and it uses screws to attach to the receiver and not set screws. It works great !! In photo #6 you can see that with a big scope, I had to have my scope mount stance wide and had to use UTG adapters that hit the crown of the receiver and were nearly coming off. DIP now offers an extended rail as a standard product.
In photo 5 "bolt to mount clearance" you can see how close the bolt handle and scope mount is.
Thanks so much Bob !!
The mounts that I use the most are UTG PRO. Shown in photo #5. They seem to be well made and are very reasonable. The clamping screw is counter sunk so that no mounting hardware sticks out from the body of the mount. They are narrow at the rail to facilitate bolt clearance.
As you can see in photo #7 with some other rings, They would not have cleared if the mount was rotated 180*.
The UTG adapters are great for some guns like the CZ 457 because the top of the receiver has been flattened.
Regards
Shawn
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Afternoon KOD,
I feel certain that you know this because you know me, but for the members that don't...
I know your a fan of the UTG adapters and that is a large pert of why I meant to mention them in a positive light. I only wanted to point out that folks need to watch out for the receiver shape. They are the best way to go in many circumstances. The Anschutz is just one of them. That doesn't even consider the coin that you can save by using them.
Lately I have mentioned that I don't like the DIP rails but I try and explain why and even give the lead shot suggestion that Bob at DIP gave me. It is not a personal vendetta, it is only information that I want to pass on to my fellow members.
I will be looking up the ring adapters that you mentioned.
All my best
Shawn Carroll
Got my stock back today from getting an adjustable cheek riser. Shout out @jducos , he does awesome work.
