My new Area 419 modded CZ 457 with a Athlon Midas Tac 5-25x56 scope. Looking to have stockdoc mod the comb on it before taking it out for some competition.
CZ 457
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That's a thing of beauty. I've thought of going that route. How much to you think you save by buying it set up versus buying the bare precision trainer and doing it up yourself? I ask because I like to tinker on stuff myself and I read somewhere the other day that a guy's stock pro varmint barrel shoots as good as his Bartlein so if I got lucky and got a good shooter, I'd save a lot by not buying the barrel.
Tough to say. I had enough projects on my bench so I just ordered this one. It seems like to tuned the trigger on it before they sent it out. I bought is for NRL22 unlimited class as you can't get a Vudoo V22 anywhere.
You probably would save a few bucks ordering the parts and putting it together yourself. My CZ 457 Pro Varmint just came in and I am picking it up today. That one will be for NRL22 stock class with a Diamondback Tac 4-16x44 to meet the $1050.00 requirement.
You probably would save a few bucks ordering the parts and putting it together yourself. My CZ 457 Pro Varmint just came in and I am picking it up today. That one will be for NRL22 stock class with a Diamondback Tac 4-16x44 to meet the $1050.00 requirement.
Fantastic set up, 10/10 on the cool factor.
How well does the spiral fluted barrel group?
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers,
I'm having a hard time choosing between the pro varmint and the precision trainer. Most matches around here aren't NRL22 sanctioned so the class is a mute point as of now. I assume you are having an adjustable comb added. Do you mind if I ask what that runs?
I have not fired it yet. Probably wait until I get the stock modified, but who knows!
Sent him a PM, waiting for him to reply with the details
Dear Sir,
I apologize--probably should have used the "sarcasm" emoji--I was just (trying) to be humorous...I also have some CZ's that shoot beyond their capability. For example, this little skinny barreled 452 (although it has been bedded and has an aftermarket trigger)...and that's with cheap ammo. Center X is even more amazing.
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Did you have that barrel cut down in length. Looks just like my 452 American except mine has the 20" barrel. I've not bedded mine but I did the Yodave trigger swap to the tune of 13 oz. It shoots very well.
Huskerhunter-
Sir, no offense taken and sorry if the response was brusque as I was packing up to get out to the range.
Thank you for the follow up and that is a nice set up you have there and great shooting with the Aguilla.
My 1st NRL22 match coming up this weekend, I'll provide a range report afterwards.
YMMV, happy shooting.
Yes, trimmed to 16" by the previous owner. Timney trigger. All the work done by the previous owner. Bought it from a gent over on rimfirecentral. A real find! You always wonder when someone else has cut and threaded a barrel. In this case it was obviously well done. On another note, that group pictured was shot with the Sparrow can on.
Good luck on the NRL match! I've been shooting ARA Rimfire Factory Class targets with the CZ452. It will consistently shoot 2000 + and occasionally even better (best has been 2325). It shoots almost as well as my 457 Varmint MTR.
Hi , newbie questions here
I have new 457 varmint , no mods . But i am seeing a lot of after market barrels to improve accuracy for bench-rest shooting and competition.
So i got few questions,
Would you add a muzzle break ? What benefits would it give you?
I read that the normal 457 Varmint doesnt come with match grade chamber (i don't know what that means ) so If you replace the barrel with an IBI, MPA or Bartlein Barrel, would it come with match grade chamber ? What is a match grade chamber?
Thanks in advance
I have new 457 varmint , no mods . But i am seeing a lot of after market barrels to improve accuracy for bench-rest shooting and competition.
So i got few questions,
Would you add a muzzle break ? What benefits would it give you?
I read that the normal 457 Varmint doesnt come with match grade chamber (i don't know what that means ) so If you replace the barrel with an IBI, MPA or Bartlein Barrel, would it come with match grade chamber ? What is a match grade chamber?
Thanks in advance
My first question is, how good does it shoot now?
No on muzzle break. Thread if you're running a suppressor, but I don't think a "break/brake" will do much for a Varmint weight gun, but I'll defer to others with more experience.
Match Chambers are a rabbit hole...lots of info out there, generally, it means a chamber cut to tighter tolerances and in some cases optimized for a certain specific brand/type of ammo. Others may be able to speak to specifics of various manufacturers and their options. I have 455 I bought used, it has a Lilja 2 groove barrel and match chamber cut to the specs of DJ Dillion. Previous owner won some pretty high level NRL matches with it. It is indeed very accurate.
A lot of this comes down to your ambitions, type of competition, budget (rifle, optics, AMMO), skill level, willingness to tinker, etc....
Mine came with the throw lever- which was awesome. Also comes with a long sun shade. I’m assuming all of them come with the lever? Sorry I just saw this question- late response.
Quick range report for the CZ 457 Pro Varmint:
Zeroing in and breaking in the rifle at an indoor range today as the storms are hanging around the Gulf coast.
I had 1 hour to set up, shoot, clean up, and pack out, so these groups (5 shot groups, 30 groups, at 25 yards) were what I’d consider rapid fire. It was shot off a wobbly table with a wobbly homemade bean bag propped up vertically and no rear support. (I’m not going prone without a mat at an indoor range, I need all the brain cells I have.)
My observations:
1. Aguilla Rifle Match, CCI SV, and Fiocchi SV functioned 100%.
2. The CZ 457 cycled best when racked with a bit of authority. On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being the slowest/most gentle, I found a balance of function and minimally disturbing the sights at 2.5.
3. Aguilla rifle match shot a bit higher than others with an average group size of .427” and a best group size of .209”. The 2 groups in the .6” range showed obvious high flyers. This ammo will be used for 10/22 plinking.
4. CCI SV shot the worst out of the 3 tested today. First 10 shots were strung laterally. Might be seasoning, but the Aguilla and Fiocchi didn’t need seasoning. Average group size of .522”with a best group of .306". This lot of CCI SV shoots well in my Savage B22, but so-so in the CZ.
5. Fiocchi SV shot very consistent groups and seemed to have the lowest dispersion from the best group .320” to the worst group .466” (flyer but decided to keep for consistency). Average group size was the best of the bunch at .391"
6. Phone camera based measuring apps are definitely useful, but it takes quite a bit of time to record the data. Calipers are much faster and easier.
7. A note of thanks to KissOfDeath on using paper plates and document hole protector stickers. 100 coated plates cost ˜$3 and the stickers $2 for 500 at Walmart.
I seem to be shooting the Fiocchi best and now have rudimentary data with it and I feel that the rifle and I are getting used to each other. Ran out of time so not worth wasting good ammo if I don’t have dope at a match. More to come after my first NRL22 outing on Sunday.
Shooting is fun, YMMV, happy shooting.
Zeroing in and breaking in the rifle at an indoor range today as the storms are hanging around the Gulf coast.
I had 1 hour to set up, shoot, clean up, and pack out, so these groups (5 shot groups, 30 groups, at 25 yards) were what I’d consider rapid fire. It was shot off a wobbly table with a wobbly homemade bean bag propped up vertically and no rear support. (I’m not going prone without a mat at an indoor range, I need all the brain cells I have.)
My observations:
1. Aguilla Rifle Match, CCI SV, and Fiocchi SV functioned 100%.
2. The CZ 457 cycled best when racked with a bit of authority. On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being the slowest/most gentle, I found a balance of function and minimally disturbing the sights at 2.5.
3. Aguilla rifle match shot a bit higher than others with an average group size of .427” and a best group size of .209”. The 2 groups in the .6” range showed obvious high flyers. This ammo will be used for 10/22 plinking.
4. CCI SV shot the worst out of the 3 tested today. First 10 shots were strung laterally. Might be seasoning, but the Aguilla and Fiocchi didn’t need seasoning. Average group size of .522”with a best group of .306". This lot of CCI SV shoots well in my Savage B22, but so-so in the CZ.
5. Fiocchi SV shot very consistent groups and seemed to have the lowest dispersion from the best group .320” to the worst group .466” (flyer but decided to keep for consistency). Average group size was the best of the bunch at .391"
6. Phone camera based measuring apps are definitely useful, but it takes quite a bit of time to record the data. Calipers are much faster and easier.
7. A note of thanks to KissOfDeath on using paper plates and document hole protector stickers. 100 coated plates cost ˜$3 and the stickers $2 for 500 at Walmart.
I seem to be shooting the Fiocchi best and now have rudimentary data with it and I feel that the rifle and I are getting used to each other. Ran out of time so not worth wasting good ammo if I don’t have dope at a match. More to come after my first NRL22 outing on Sunday.
Shooting is fun, YMMV, happy shooting.
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Stockdoc? What is the cost of doing the comb modification?
Boyds has the Pro Varmint stock with the adjustable comb for 212.00 and in laminate for ~15.00 more. 227. for a Pepper black with the adjustable comb. For around 250.00 shipped you can get a range of colored laminates and have a nice stock.
Boyds has the Pro Varmint stock with the adjustable comb for 212.00 and in laminate for ~15.00 more. 227. for a Pepper black with the adjustable comb. For around 250.00 shipped you can get a range of colored laminates and have a nice stock.
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Exactly how many penny's if you don't mind me asking? Thinking about going this route.
I find that target stickers don't give a very precise, repeatable spot to hold on. I use a target I made myself with a grid pattern with a darker center cross to line my crosshairs up on. Helps make sure you are holding on the same exact spot every time instead of eyeballing whether you are in the center of the circle. Even just drawing a cross with a sharpie works good. Try to get the lines level so you can level your scope when sighting in. Attached is the target I use. It has a 1/2" grid so you can tell how far off you are without going to the target to measure. The green is dark enough to see but light enough to show small bullet holes. These won't cost any more than your paper and ink. If your gun shoots as good as mine, you can shoot several groups at one grid without overlap by aiming at the corners and other intersections instead of just using the center.
Very much appreciated, I'll have to print it out and test it next time at the range.
Today, I put another 100 rounds through it and got the dope with the Fiocchi SV 40 gr in order to have something to go off of at the NRL 22 shoot.
Appreciate all the shared knowledge and help.
Cheers and happy shooting.
Wow, the workmanship and mechanical bits look fantastic.
Not a bad fee considering a top notch job working with carbon fiber.
You win the rimfire post of the day!
Cheers and happy shooting.
Do you have a link for him? Funny, I just bought the KMW Loggerhead and was going to have my local carpenter do the mods for me. I need someone to do the work for me-want to install the KMW, shorten the LOP to 13-13.25" and install an adjustable (vertically) butt pad on my CZ 527 Varmint MTR Stock (for my 6.5 Grendel). If it turns out good, I may do the same with my factory CZ 457 Varmint MTR stock too (in a Bravo chassis at the moment).
Interesting: I'm from WI also...
Sean
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Thanks for the information. Can you post a photo of the rail, installed too? Also, are you using an Atlas Bipod? If so, what are you using to convert from the Anschutz rail to a Pic mount to mount the Atlas?
Do you find yourself using the lateral offset of the KMW at all, or just the vertical part of it? I like that the mechanism has the option for both to perfectly align your eye, as needed.
NRL 22 report:
I participated in my first rifle match at a local NRL 22. This writeup is not about how I performed at the match, rather it is about how the CZ 457 functioned during the event.
My CZ 457 is the Pro Varmint model with the following: Triggers by Scar 25 MOA rail, Yo Dave trigger kit, Harris bipod, Athlon Argos Gen 2 6-24x50, Amazon scope level, Weaver medium rings, Beartooth comb raising kit.
1. During pre-match practice at home, setting up the scope eye relief was challenging due to the magnification adjust ring binding on the rail when attempting to mount it on a set of low scope rings. Recommend using the medium rings and setting it up for a functional and comfortable eye relief.
2. The rifle was 100% during match conditions. No FTF, FTE, nothing at all related to the equipment. Zero confirmed at 50 yard, 5 shots into one ragged hole.
3. The trigger breaks cleanly at 1 lbs 3 oz. While it was very good for shooting groups, I may need to increase the pull weight for practical shooting.
4. The rifle is thick, short, and stout and balances nicely at the leading edge of the magazine well.
5. In my squad of 6, there were 4 CZ 457s. The match winner won with score around 850 using a base class CZ 457. He beat out RimX and a couple of Voodoos.
My take aways:
1. It's always best to improve the nut behind the trigger for best results.
2. Test the equipment and ammo thoroughly before competitions.
3. The rifle's accuracy, function, and handling is very competitive for NRL22 base class (and beyond).
YMMV, happy shooting.
I participated in my first rifle match at a local NRL 22. This writeup is not about how I performed at the match, rather it is about how the CZ 457 functioned during the event.
My CZ 457 is the Pro Varmint model with the following: Triggers by Scar 25 MOA rail, Yo Dave trigger kit, Harris bipod, Athlon Argos Gen 2 6-24x50, Amazon scope level, Weaver medium rings, Beartooth comb raising kit.
1. During pre-match practice at home, setting up the scope eye relief was challenging due to the magnification adjust ring binding on the rail when attempting to mount it on a set of low scope rings. Recommend using the medium rings and setting it up for a functional and comfortable eye relief.
2. The rifle was 100% during match conditions. No FTF, FTE, nothing at all related to the equipment. Zero confirmed at 50 yard, 5 shots into one ragged hole.
3. The trigger breaks cleanly at 1 lbs 3 oz. While it was very good for shooting groups, I may need to increase the pull weight for practical shooting.
4. The rifle is thick, short, and stout and balances nicely at the leading edge of the magazine well.
5. In my squad of 6, there were 4 CZ 457s. The match winner won with score around 850 using a base class CZ 457. He beat out RimX and a couple of Voodoos.
My take aways:
1. It's always best to improve the nut behind the trigger for best results.
2. Test the equipment and ammo thoroughly before competitions.
3. The rifle's accuracy, function, and handling is very competitive for NRL22 base class (and beyond).
YMMV, happy shooting.
I agree, shooter is the most important part. The most accurate gun in the world is only as accurate as the person pulling the trigger. Just to note for anyone else who reads this, my 457 has never had a malfunction either.
BTW, did you cuss much when installing the Beartooth cheek riser?
BTW, did you cuss much when installing the Beartooth cheek riser?
KOD,
Yes, much sweating and cursing when installing the Beartooth cheek riser.
My trick was to put on the sleeve without the foam insert, then peel the sleeve back inside out from the muzzle end, slip about 1" of the foam insert under the now doubled over sleeve, then un-invert the sleeve.
I now understand the term 5 lbs sausage in a 2 pound casing.
YMMA, happy shooting.
I had an ammo carrier on the buttstock of a 12 ga. slug gun that was similar to that beartooth cheek riser. I think they are definetely intended to be installed from the muzzle end before you mount a scope. That's the only thing that makes sense to me as hard as they are to install. Of course my gun already had a scope and was sighted in and I didn't want to remove it.
The problem really isn't getting the neoprene part on, it's getting the foam pad underneath afterwards. Probably sounds easy for someone who hasn't done it but people need to remember the foam pad has to be in the right place when inserted and the bottom of the neoprene part should align with the sling stud.
But you are right, installing over the trigger guard is the easiest way.
But you are right, installing over the trigger guard is the easiest way.
BuckeyeSniper-
Doh! (forehead slap) I should have thought of that!
With the low rings, the comb height was perfect but the eye box was not working. With the medium rings eye box was good but, I needed to raise the comb a bit.
Nevertheless, getting the sleeve over the Pro Varmint stock's raised comb and relatively wide paddle like dimentions had my cardio going.
Not certain about your shotgun, but for most bolt action guns, wouldn't it make sense to remove the action and trigger before installing?
Cheers, happy shooting.
I'm sure it would help. Plus you wouldn't have to remove your scope. Cause you never know how much rise you need until your scope is mounted anyway. With my shotgun, I could have taken the buttstock off and made it a lot simpler. Of course, it didn't occur to me to do that until I sat back to admire my work after a lot of frustration and cursing.
I got a 457 AT-ONE 22LR a few weeks ago for a new match series starting at our local club (www.PrecisionRimfire.net) and really like the gun. It's my first CZ rifle. I tried it with several different types of match ammo, found that it had the potential to shoot well, and then pillar-and-glass bedded it. I then added a strip of rubber under a section of the otherwise free-floating barrel to dampen some of the barrel movement, and adjusted the position until it seemed optimal, like you would with a barrel tuner. Here are the results with Eley Match at 50 yards, Vortex Diamondback scope.
Very nice shooting and amazing groups!
Your use of the rubber strips is new to me in barrel tuning, but it could be a good excuse to spend more time testing at the range.
How did the rifle shoot before the stock was glass and pillar bedded? Do you think the same tuning could be achieved with the rubber strip minus the bedding?
Thank you.
Here is the rifle with Eley Match before bedding:
After bedding, the horizontal grouping was about the same, but got more vertical stringing, so I really don't think I got much -- if any -- benefit from the bedding. Vertical stringing is typically caused by the bullets not being released at the peak (anti-node) during normal ballistic barrel whip, so any variation in velocity gets magnified by the time it reaches the target.
I'm not against an Ezell PDT or Harrell barrel tuner, but I wanted to do something less obvious to have the same effect on the physics of barrel vibration. Here's the simple solution that made such a consistency difference for me
Panther-
Thanks for answering my questions. I just might have to give it a go with the "rubber strip barrel tuning."
Also, it was the first I'd heard of the vertical stringing relationship velocity and anti-node. In my noobness, I always equated vertical stringing to breathing control, but I suppose there are other factors as you've pointed out.
Happy shooting.
Thanks for answering my questions. I just might have to give it a go with the "rubber strip barrel tuning."
Also, it was the first I'd heard of the vertical stringing relationship velocity and anti-node. In my noobness, I always equated vertical stringing to breathing control, but I suppose there are other factors as you've pointed out.
Happy shooting.
Breathing control and vertical stringing go hand in hand, fundamentals still count. Panther has made very good use of barrel harmonics for his set up. Very nice groups. It is however a wood stock, a laminated stock, but still wood and is potentially susceptible to humidity and temp changes that may change the pressure exerted on the barrel at this point Due to wood warp. Hopefully those changes are small and he keeps notes for any changes.
This is not a new concept as ruger and magpul have pressure point areas built into their stock systems in the form of a barrel band and plastic insert respectively in this area of the barrel. You will have to experiment with your set up to see what performs best, a free floater, pressure band 1” out or pressure band further out in the stock. This is a very frustrating part of rimfire shooting as there are so many variables in play. Other materials used for pressure bands include cut up bicycle tires and inner tubes, aluminum tape strips, bedding material or I’ve even seen a large diameter machine screw used for a variable adjustment.
This is not a new concept as ruger and magpul have pressure point areas built into their stock systems in the form of a barrel band and plastic insert respectively in this area of the barrel. You will have to experiment with your set up to see what performs best, a free floater, pressure band 1” out or pressure band further out in the stock. This is a very frustrating part of rimfire shooting as there are so many variables in play. Other materials used for pressure bands include cut up bicycle tires and inner tubes, aluminum tape strips, bedding material or I’ve even seen a large diameter machine screw used for a variable adjustment.
That's a good point. When I said I "didn't get much, if any, benefit from the bedding", that of course relates to immediate benefit as far as group size. The bedding does gives me the intended long-term benefit of stability where the action contacts the stock, without any effect from possible wood warp or swelling. As you mention, that is potentially a future issue at the point of barrel contact with the dampening strip. If I do get a harmonics shift over time, I would have to move the strip to re-tune, or remove it and go back to a fully free-floating barrel and do something else to get back to the optimal harmonic, such as a barrel tuner.
By the way, I do have an Ezell PDT tuner here with a 1/2-28 adapter so I can thread it right onto the end of the barrel, but since the dampening strip worked so well for now, I haven't tried it on the CZ.
CZ-USA 02340 457 Varmint cal. 22 LR, Bolt Action, DetachMag, American Walnut Stock, 20.5" Barrel.
I'll try to get some more groups this weekend. I'll post a pic of the rifle set up as is too.
Having the adjustable trigger is a nice added bonus IMHO.
Having a few other CZ rimfires, I have wanted a 457 since they came out.
I'll try to get some more groups this weekend. I'll post a pic of the rifle set up as is too.
Having the adjustable trigger is a nice added bonus IMHO.
Having a few other CZ rimfires, I have wanted a 457 since they came out.
Karuba,
I chose the varmint for a few different reasons over the other 2.
1) ammo availability, the MTR has the natch chamber and I do not live close to anywhere where I could have the luxury of buying great and expensive ammo. So I really didn't want to have to fiddle with that.
2) The cost of the MTR.
3) The cost of the Pro Varmint.
4) I already have a threaded 455 22 lr that I love to shoot, plus I figured having a few extra inches might help stabilize the bullets...(I might be wrong on that one, I am no B Litz...)
5) Looks, I really liked the looks of the Varmint in that wood stock. But the Boyds "at 1 stock " is a damn good looking option too.
I chose the varmint for a few different reasons over the other 2.
1) ammo availability, the MTR has the natch chamber and I do not live close to anywhere where I could have the luxury of buying great and expensive ammo. So I really didn't want to have to fiddle with that.
2) The cost of the MTR.
3) The cost of the Pro Varmint.
4) I already have a threaded 455 22 lr that I love to shoot, plus I figured having a few extra inches might help stabilize the bullets...(I might be wrong on that one, I am no B Litz...)
5) Looks, I really liked the looks of the Varmint in that wood stock. But the Boyds "at 1 stock " is a damn good looking option too.
gonzaga - I find that I'm in agreement with your opinion of the appearance of the 457 Varmint model in the walnut stock. I ordered one in almost two years ago when I couldn't find a Varmint MTR, and although the stock on mine is pretty plain compared to several others I've seen online photos of, the overall profile & proportion is still very attractive to my eye. However, I've never shot it - found & bought a MTR model shortly after receiving the std Varmint rifle, so decided to try to sell my NIB 457 Varmint. Hauled it to a couple of gun shows where I normally rent table space, but have yet to find a buyer. I have a couple of nephews who are shooters; I'm thinking of adjusting the triggers on the Varmint and an extra American I have, outfitting them with BScar scope rails & Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 scopes, and making gifts out of them. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I've enjoyed mine...
