Rifle Scopes Dear Nightforce,

#2
Re: Dear Nightforce,

How 'bout it Jason? Sounds like a reasonable request. I'm thinking I'd get in on that myself.
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#5
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dogman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Add a fixed 10x tactical scope to that list
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I was thinking maybe a partnership with rocky green and a release of some T series.
 
#6
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


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2.5-10x44 would be awesome!

I'd be down for one as would several others I know.
 
#7
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dogman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Add a fixed 10x tactical scope to that list
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I always wondered why they don't offer a fixed 10x.
 
#8
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


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2.5-10x44 would be awesome!

I'd be down for one as would several others I know. </div></div>

That would be a tough as nails hunting scope.
 
#9
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


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How about a 3-12x42/44 FFP
 
#10
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please start making the 2.5-10x24 Compact again. I'll buy 2.


Thanks in advance,

Bevan. </div></div>

+1

 
#12
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sititunga1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please start making the 2.5-10x24 Compact again. I'll buy 2.


Thanks in advance,

Bevan. </div></div>

+1

OH HELL YEAH!!
+1

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#15
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


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+1 on a 40-42mm, that is about as big as I want. Everything else can remain the same.

or this

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How about a 3-12x42/44 FFP </div></div>

but keep the price under 1500
 
#17
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While we're making requests can we get the 5.5-22 with a 35 mm tube please? </div></div>

Why not go with a 40mm tube??
 
#19
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please start making the 2.5-10x24 Compact again. I'll buy 2.


Thanks in advance,

Bevan. </div></div>

They still make them but do not sell them to citizens. I am waiting for the 1-8X24 S&B instead. I will never buy a Nightforce product because of this.
 
#21
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


</div></div>

+1 on a 40-42mm, that is about as big as I want. Everything else can remain the same.

or this

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How about a 3-12x42/44 FFP </div></div>

but keep the price under 1500</div></div>

This
 
#22
Re: Dear Nightforce,

Wow--I didn't know we got to tell them what to fix...here's one--fix the mil-dot reticle on the 1x4. You can't see the freaking thing--put solid heavier lines out to the edge of the reticle (not the stupid hollow ones). Oh, and bring back the mil knobs on the 1x4! WTF would I want a mil-based reticle with MOA knobs?
 
#27
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


</div></div>

+1 on a 40-42mm, that is about as big as I want. Everything else can remain the same.

or this

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How about a 3-12x42/44 FFP </div></div>

but keep the price under 1500</div></div>

This </div></div>


+1,000,000 What they said and make sure it has MLR, not just MilDot like the 32mm. Please.
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#28
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While we're making requests can we get the 5.5-22 with a 35 mm tube please? </div></div>

+1 but 34mm tube
 
#29
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


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That's the scope I wish NF made for quite some time. If they made such a model (especially if it had a SF, but not necessary), I'd have one on my hunting rifle.


Why does everybody want the 34-35mm so badly? Don't the 100 MOA 5.5-22x scopes get the job done? I know they are strong enough now at 30mm.
 
#31
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does everybody want the 34-35mm so badly? Don't the 100 MOA 5.5-22x scopes get the job done? I know they are strong enough now at 30mm. </div></div>

I have often wondered the same thing. I doubt they know either. Bet it’s assumed to be better due to some big names using it. I would much rather have something that takes easy to find rings than not.
 
#32
#34
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.

Bingo! We have a winner!
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How about a 3-12x42/44 FFP </div></div>
 
#35
Re: Dear Nightforce,

Yeah the ~3-12x~44 would be nice but let's focus on the priority here, the 2.5-10x24



Seriously if they still make it, can't a hide vendor put together a deal where they can sell them or something? I'm sure there is demand
 
#36
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah the ~3-12x~44 would be nice but let's focus on the priority here, the 2.5-10x24



Seriously if they still make it, can't a hide vendor put together a deal where they can sell them or something? I'm sure there is demand </div></div>

HCS says they do still get an occasional 2.5-10X24, but most go to the military.
They have a waiting list. Military budget cut may have the effect of making more available to the civilian market. (My guess).

http://www.highcalibersales.com/Site/Available_Items.html
 
#37
Re: Dear Nightforce,

The problem with these requests is people say what they would like in an ideal product then the company makes it and not even half the people that requested it buy it. This is why they take input from the professionals who know what is needed so they will actually sell the product after they put a crap ton of money into R&D.

To those requesting a 3-12FFP NF will never make it, they already have the 3.5-15F1 why would they make another scope so similar? And to the poster that said keep it under $1500 LOL now that's funny!! You want a scope with the same features as the F1 but for the price a 2.5-10X32ZS goes for and that just isn't going to happen. NF is in business to make QUALITY optics, and you don't get quality by skimping on components which they would have to do to make and sell a FFP scope for that price. If you want a cheap scope then go buy one, if you want the best you gotta pay to play.
 
#38
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NF is in business to make QUALITY optics, and you don't get quality by skimping on components which they would have to do to make and sell a FFP scope for that price. </div></div>

Right on. Go to Counter Sniper with your requests for cheap scopes!
 
#39
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put a 40mm - 45mm on the 2.5-10x and I'll buy two of them.


</div></div>




Why does everybody want the 34-35mm so badly? Don't the 100 MOA 5.5-22x scopes get the job done? I know they are strong enough now at 30mm. </div></div>

It's been my experience that a scope that has 100 MOA of travel will usually require a 50 MOA base to get the full use of your elevation travel. I have a Surgeon XL action that has the machined in 30 MOA rail. It's also not a good idea to fire any scope with your erector buried all the way up or down. This is the only reason I picked the USO SN-3 with the EREK knob over the Nightforce. It only offers about the same 100 MOA of travel but it's all where it needs to be to get the full use out of it.
 
#40
Re: Dear Nightforce,

SurgicalPrecision,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's also not a good idea to fire any scope with your erector buried all the way up or down.</div></div>
Why would that be in a properly designed scope, other than probably not getting the best image quality possible out of the system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the only reason I picked the USO SN-3 with the EREK knob over the Nightforce. It only offers about the same 100 MOA of travel but it's all where it needs to be to get the full use out of it.</div></div>
So you are saying that the knob will make the scope work on a flat base and still offer all the available adjustment range nonetheless?
 
#41
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem with these requests is people say what they would like in an ideal product then the company makes it and not even half the people that requested it buy it. This is why they take input from the professionals who know what is needed so they will actually sell the product after they put a crap ton of money into R&D.

To those requesting a 3-12FFP NF will never make it, they already have the 3.5-15F1 why would they make another scope so similar? And to the poster that said keep it under $1500 LOL now that's funny!! You want a scope with the same features as the F1 but for the price a 2.5-10X32ZS goes for and that just isn't going to happen. NF is in business to make QUALITY optics, and you don't get quality by skimping on components which they would have to do to make and sell a FFP scope for that price. If you want a cheap scope then go buy one, if you want the best you gotta pay to play. </div></div>

A 3-12x42 ffp based off the compact line would be NOTHING like the F1 or just about anything offered by any manufacture. Some companies do listen though, and I'm for one hoping that this is on there list.
 
#42
Re: Dear Nightforce,

I grudgingly have to agree with you. There are many other companies offering ~40mm objectives but the NF 50mm still holds permanent spot on my rifle and I’m quite happy. It's a great scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem with these requests is people say what they would like in an ideal product then the company makes it and not even half the people that requested it buy it. This is why they take input from the professionals who know what is needed so they will actually sell the product after they put a crap ton of money into R&D.

To those requesting a 3-12FFP NF will never make it, they already have the 3.5-15F1 why would they make another scope so similar? And to the poster that said keep it under $1500 LOL now that's funny!! You want a scope with the same features as the F1 but for the price a 2.5-10X32ZS goes for and that just isn't going to happen. NF is in business to make QUALITY optics, and you don't get quality by skimping on components which they would have to do to make and sell a FFP scope for that price. If you want a cheap scope then go buy one, if you want the best you gotta pay to play. </div></div>
 
#43
Re: Dear Nightforce,

The thing is, myself and several other guys would be buying a FFP 3-12x or 3.5-15x NF...or even if it wasn't FFP if they would make it in a smaller, lighter package. The 2.5-10x lacks parallax correction while the F1 is too damn heavy for a sporter-weight hunting rifle. I'm int he market for a hunting scope with illumination after my Zeiss Conquest had an issue. I want something tougher.
 
#44
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SurgicalPrecision,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's also not a good idea to fire any scope with your erector buried all the way up or down.</div></div>
Why would that be in a properly designed scope, other than probably not getting the best image quality possible out of the system?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the only reason I picked the USO SN-3 with the EREK knob over the Nightforce. It only offers about the same 100 MOA of travel but it's all where it needs to be to get the full use out of it.</div></div>
So you are saying that the knob will make the scope work on a flat base and still offer all the available adjustment range nonetheless? </div></div>

Shooting a high recoil rifle with the erector buried can damage the erector. Not likely to happen on a Nightforce but I wouldn't want to try it.

I take it you're not familiar with the EREK system? It allows you to adjust the internal position of the erector in such a way that you can get full use of your elevation travel. There are two adjustments on the EREK knob. Your usual elevation adjustment, and the Allen screw in the top that adjust the erector position. It's hard for me to explain it here, but there's some good info out there on it.

I'm running a 30 MOA rail on my .338 Lapua with a 3.8-22X44 SN-3 EREK mil/mil. I'm zeroed at 300 yards. I have 0.3 mils below my zero and 28.6 mils beyond my zero. It's a 35 mm tube. If I prefer to have a 100 yard zero I can make some quick adjusments and I'm there, but I haven't used a 100 yard zero on a centerfire rifle since I was 15.
 
#45
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing is, myself and several other guys would be buying a FFP 3-12x or 3.5-15x NF...or even if it wasn't FFP if they would make it in a smaller, lighter package. The 2.5-10x lacks parallax correction while the F1 is too damn heavy for a sporter-weight hunting rifle. I'm int he market for a hunting scope with illumination after my Zeiss Conquest had an issue. I want something tougher. </div></div>

What about a used Mk4 3.5-10x with parallax adjust and illumination? They are always popping up since people want to keep up with the latest and coolest.
 
#46
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

A 3-12x42 ffp based off the compact line would be NOTHING like the F1 or just about anything offered by any manufacture. Some companies do listen though, and I'm for one hoping that this is on there list. </div></div>

Since you seem to know so much about the workings of optics why don't you go ahead and design one for them? Its not as simple as waiving a wand and making a smaller version. It would take quite a bit to make that scope and the 2.5-10X32 does basically anything you could ask in a compact scope so I don't see them even thinking about making this. The 3.5-15 isn't exactly a hubble telescope, it's a pretty compact scope for what it is.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing is, myself and several other guys would be buying a FFP 3-12x or 3.5-15x NF...or even if it wasn't FFP if they would make it in a smaller, lighter package. The 2.5-10x lacks parallax correction while the F1 is too damn heavy for a sporter-weight hunting rifle. I'm int he market for a hunting scope with illumination after my Zeiss Conquest had an issue. I want something tougher. </div></div>

Do you know how little difference parallax adjustment makes? I've shot many scopes with no parallax adjustment from 50-1000 yards and it made no difference inside about 700-800 yards. I highly doubt your going to be shooting at a game animal with a sporter weight rifle at the distance it would make a difference. The 2.5-10X32 is a great scope for close to long range, if it needed a parallax knob NF would have added one. The scope was designed and tested by people who HAVE to make their shots count and they obviously didn't think they were missing out on anything. It's definitely over engineered for somebody just knocking down deer.
 
#47
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shooting a high recoil rifle with the erector buried can damage the erector. Not likely to happen on a Nightforce but I wouldn't want to try it.</div></div>
In <span style="font-style: italic">a properly designed scope</span>, putting the erector into an extreme position in any direction will not cause any harm to the erector, not by twisting the knobs and not by shooting, because all that happens at the end of the adjustment range is the adjustment screw in the turret reaching its end position. If the erector is pushed against the main tube at the end of the travel range, the manufacturer is doing something seriously wrong, probably maximising elevation travel on paper without providing the full windage range at the extreme settings and indeed risking damage to the internals.

What I'm trying to say is that the "stop" should be in the turret, not in the erector system itself, and there won't be any mechanical problems at the edge of the travel range.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgicalPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I take it you're not familiar with the EREK system?</div></div>
No I'm not, but I have repeatedly read about its supposed ability to somehow replicate the effect of a canted base, something that I have not been able to figure out how to do, at all. As far as I have been able to deduce from the descriptions, it is a mechanism that creates a zero stop by setting the knob to zero and then moving the erector with a secondary screw inside the turret, while other zero stops position the erector first and then zero the turret cap position. What also happens when rezeroing is that the turret does not <span style="font-style: italic">decrease</span> the available travel, but claiming that the turret <span style="font-style: italic">increases</span> the erector travel is inaccurate at best.
The description makes it sound as if the mechanism is somehow having an influence on the actual position of the erector within the scope after zeroing on a particular rifle and thereby overriding the necessity for a canted rail, and I just cannot figure out how to achieve this. If this was really was the case, why would you put a 30 MOA rail on your rifle in the first place?
 
#48
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If this was really was the case, why would you put a 30 MOA rail on your rifle in the first place? </div></div>

I also understand you're not familiar with the Surgeon action? It's a machined in 30 MOA picatinny rail. Can't get it any other way. I have 28.5 mils of elevation left from my 300 yard zero with my EREK knob. 28.5 X 3.6= 102.5 MOA.

I did make a mistake earlier when I said I had .3 mils before my zero, it's actually .8 mils. I could adjust it so it's less and have more on the other side from my understanding. I don't really fully understand the internal working of the EREK system, but it works! What more could you ask for? I mean aside from a 34-35 mm Nightforce scope tube with a FFP reticle?
 
#49
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In <span style="font-style: italic">a properly designed scope</span>, putting the erector into an extreme position in any direction will not cause any harm to the erector, not by twisting the knobs and not by shooting, because all that happens at the end of the adjustment range is the adjustment screw in the turret reaching its end position.</div></div>
You're right there. This information was given to me by a former sniper instructor on the 6.5 Grendel forum. He was probably shooting a Leupold. I know for a fact he's had experience with Nightforce, Hensholdt, S&B, Vortex HDs, Premier, and USO. He's the one that pointed me towards the USO because I was dead set on the Nightforce until I saw the features on the SN-3 EREK.
 
#50
Re: Dear Nightforce,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DannySeesUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing is, myself and several other guys would be buying a FFP 3-12x or 3.5-15x NF...or even if it wasn't FFP if they would make it in a smaller, lighter package. The 2.5-10x lacks parallax correction while the F1 is too damn heavy for a sporter-weight hunting rifle. I'm int he market for a hunting scope with illumination after my Zeiss Conquest had an issue. I want something tougher. </div></div>

What about a used Mk4 3.5-10x with parallax adjust and illumination? They are always popping up since people want to keep up with the latest and coolest. </div></div>

After busting a couple Leupys, I seem to have lost confidence in them, but that is one consideration.
 
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