Did the bravo just not adjust enough for you? You said the bravo doesn't adjust up, I'm assuming not up enough?
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The bravo butt pad doesn’t adjust up or down at all, only longer with the spacers, the cheek piece does adjust up and down. The bravo cheek piece doesn’t adjust left or right though.
The bravo is a great stock. I’ve just spoiled myself into expensive tastes I suppose. It’s so nice to have everything exactly how you like it and it’s tough to go back to making any concessions in comfort. I guess that says something about my marksmanship skills “you should be able to shoot anything any time anywhere *old man shakes fist at a cloud*” but it is what it is.
That’s what the acc brings to the table over the bravo which is all I was really trying to address, it’s not just mlock slots. And it damn well should for 2.5 times the price.
Whether that’s a decision you want to make is your decision. If you’ve never gotten a stock perfectly fit to you then get the bravo and be overjoyed. I’m not going to sell my bravo, I’m still working at finding out how to set it up for me to best shoot it. It’s just takes more experience and time with it to figure out what my necessary corrections are that I need to make to best shoot it.
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I’m not 86’ing the Bravo stock that I have, I’ll use it for hunting - it’s a couple of pounds lighter than the ACC - plus I picked up a NIB T3 chambered in .223 to use as a trainer and plinker.
The Bravo is still a great stock, I got the ACC at 40% off on Black Friday so I’m upgrading.
The Bravo is still a great stock, I got the ACC at 40% off on Black Friday so I’m upgrading.
I have an MDT LSS on a Remington 700. And I love it, but I know the feeling of not being totally satisfied with a stock/chassis. Not sure what is is about the chassis but it doesn't do it for me.
I'm not sure how old your bravo is but on KRGs website it show that the butt is adjustable. They must have come out with a new gen.
Bravo Chassis – Kinetic Research Group
kineticresearchgroup.com
It’s an add on, though cheaper than I remembered it being.I have an MDT LSS on a Remington 700. And I love it, but I know the feeling of not being totally satisfied with a stock/chassis. Not sure what is is about the chassis but it doesn't do it for me.
I'm not sure how old your bravo is but on KRGs website it show that the butt is adjustable. They must have come out with a new gen.
Bravo Chassis – Kinetic Research Group
Tool-less Buttpad Height Mechanism – Kinetic Research Group
kineticresearchgroup.com
I think I'll spend the 65-70 for that. Doesn't hit the wallet so hard.It’s an add on, though cheaper than I remembered it being.
Tool-less Buttpad Height Mechanism – Kinetic Research Group
Thank You.
Here’s the barreled action in the ACC with the combination’s first blood, a bobcat at 120 yards.
The Athlon has been a great scope so far. I even bought a second scope when they were on sale, I don’t regret either purchase.
None. Both have been spot on as far as tracking, the glass is good to my eyes. It’s not German lenses and coatings, but it’s working thus far.
Most will tell you tikka, but be warned, you can spend a lot more money to make the stock worth a damn (replace with bravo for $350), then you still need AICS mags. I've played with the HMR and Tikka actions and the difference was not worth the extra $500 TO ME.
I truly believe the Bergara is plug and play. Throw glass on it and send lead down range.
I truly believe the Bergara is plug and play. Throw glass on it and send lead down range.
It's nice the bergara comes with the stock it does but I'm always weary of factory mass produced stocks like that.
Totally agree, and many move their HMR to the bravo or others in time. But the point is that the tikka stock needs replaced immediately, and therefore needs to be added to the purchase cost. The tikka stock is also mass produced too
I replaced the OEM CTR Stock with a Bravo because it didn't fit me and the cost wasn't outlandish.
Now that KRG is making the Bravo with an option for CTR magazines, that's a moot point.
Some folks may have AICS magazines for another rifle and the cost of the CTR mags may be a sticking point.
I saw the AICS magazine as a more universal fit for anything that I bought in the future.
Now that KRG is making the Bravo with an option for CTR magazines, that's a moot point.
Some folks may have AICS magazines for another rifle and the cost of the CTR mags may be a sticking point.
I saw the AICS magazine as a more universal fit for anything that I bought in the future.
Regardless tikka or hmr, I'll put a new stock on. Already have aics mags so I'll stick with that realm. But I really want to know about action accuracy and consistency.Totally agree, and many move their HMR to the bravo or others in time. But the point is that the tikka stock needs replaced immediately, and therefore needs to be added to the purchase cost. The tikka stock is also mass produced too
Think between tkkas and hmr, accuracy and consistency is about the same in the action, or enough that you'd REALLY be splitting hairs to find the difference. If you plan to swap the stock either way, then just look for the cheapest HMR or Tikka Varmint and that's your gun.
I say varmint because you get the heavy barrel without the added price of the CTR name.
Plus I think tikka barrels are easier to source prefit (maybe?) than Bergara.
Bergera makes their own, and they are stingy with their forms so nobody can make a prefit yet. You have to send the gun to them to get a new barrel, or get a smith to do it.
There are several companies that make tikka prefits, which makes getting your rig rebarreled -when it’s time- much easier.
The bergara is based off a 700 action. Is does the receiver not accept 700 prefits? If not what is different?
nope. Different bolt face. Bergera is conical and will not accept a prefit 700 barrel without smithing. At that point, it’s cheaper to send it to Bergera to have them do it (~$500).
Worth noting that Bergera is known to have VERY good factory barrels.
I'm having trouble finding the post where you indicate what you want the rifle to do for you.
Since you've included the 10FCP in your initial choices, I'm assuming it's for precision shooting at some distance.
I'd be very happy with this choice.
While I own a fair number of guns, from several manufacturers; Savage predominates my choices. My oldest Savage is a 10FC from 2001, upgraded with better trigger, stock, and barrel. A lot of that stuff has become upgraded in the factory selections over the intervening time, and the 10FCP-HS looks like what I'd buy if I was going to buy that first 10FC nowadays. But I couldn't use it for the NRA comps, since it's got a brake.
My 308 bolt gun is an 11VT, restocked with a Choate Tactical and no other mods. I need to insert that all but one of my guns are what I call factory rifles, in that things like barrels and triggers remain unaltered, with the 11VT's (two; a .308, and a .223) being the only ones altered to be more compatible with F T/R competition (with Choate Tactical Stocks). The exception is the 10FC (.260 from the factory in 2001) which Competed in the first(?) NRA F Class Match, the 2002 Spirit of America Match, where it competed with the factory barrel alongside the top Palma shooters for a week.
The rifle was up to it, I wasn't; but I still have it, now rebarreled with a Lothar-Walther 28" barrel, assisted by a Sharpshooter Supply Comp Trigger, and a McMillan A3 Tactical Stock.
The stock upgrades are heavily favored because I'm 6' 5 1/2" tall, with a 16.5" LOP. No factory rifles in my price range can cope with that.
Savages have had weaknesses, like extractor failures, and bolt effort. The extractor failures were all directly related to hot handloads, and over the years, I've simply handled the bolt effort; it's never stopped me from achieving anything I set out to do with the rifle. Lowlight has noted that they account for an exaggerated percentage of failures in his classes. He pushes things to limits (a very good thing), I don't, and mine has only failed in Comp as noted above, with very hot loads.
Bergara and Tikka are outside my experience range, but I hear very good things about them.
My first choice remains Savage, unless I'm seeking something that I can't get from them (not that common a problem), or that I'd rather build for myself (like AR's).
Greg
Since you've included the 10FCP in your initial choices, I'm assuming it's for precision shooting at some distance.
I'd be very happy with this choice.
While I own a fair number of guns, from several manufacturers; Savage predominates my choices. My oldest Savage is a 10FC from 2001, upgraded with better trigger, stock, and barrel. A lot of that stuff has become upgraded in the factory selections over the intervening time, and the 10FCP-HS looks like what I'd buy if I was going to buy that first 10FC nowadays. But I couldn't use it for the NRA comps, since it's got a brake.
My 308 bolt gun is an 11VT, restocked with a Choate Tactical and no other mods. I need to insert that all but one of my guns are what I call factory rifles, in that things like barrels and triggers remain unaltered, with the 11VT's (two; a .308, and a .223) being the only ones altered to be more compatible with F T/R competition (with Choate Tactical Stocks). The exception is the 10FC (.260 from the factory in 2001) which Competed in the first(?) NRA F Class Match, the 2002 Spirit of America Match, where it competed with the factory barrel alongside the top Palma shooters for a week.
The rifle was up to it, I wasn't; but I still have it, now rebarreled with a Lothar-Walther 28" barrel, assisted by a Sharpshooter Supply Comp Trigger, and a McMillan A3 Tactical Stock.
The stock upgrades are heavily favored because I'm 6' 5 1/2" tall, with a 16.5" LOP. No factory rifles in my price range can cope with that.
Savages have had weaknesses, like extractor failures, and bolt effort. The extractor failures were all directly related to hot handloads, and over the years, I've simply handled the bolt effort; it's never stopped me from achieving anything I set out to do with the rifle. Lowlight has noted that they account for an exaggerated percentage of failures in his classes. He pushes things to limits (a very good thing), I don't, and mine has only failed in Comp as noted above, with very hot loads.
Bergara and Tikka are outside my experience range, but I hear very good things about them.
My first choice remains Savage, unless I'm seeking something that I can't get from them (not that common a problem), or that I'd rather build for myself (like AR's).
Greg
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Im debating between varmint and CTR. Ive read the CTR is about .9mm less at the muzzle. Is that enough to make a difference? I’m leaning CTR because I wouldn’t have the headache of threading the barrel, but I also don’t need the rail and want to upgrade the bottom metal myself.
Any preferences on SS or blues other than looks?
Wish they’d just offer a threaded varmint
Threading a barrel is about $100. A CTR barrel is plenty heavy to fire 10 shot strings. If you want the extra 1/2lb or so then go varmint and spend the money and thread it. You can change the bottom metal of a Tikka ctr but you wouldn’t be upgrading. Stainless is more resistant to rust than blued steel.
Tikka CTR in a KRG X-ray chassis. Check out Phil Velayo’s 4 part Tikka build on YT. I followed along and put together that same setup. Add a $10 trigger spring and optic and you have a VERY capable rifle for not that much $. I like it almost as much as my Ruckus/Proof in Whiskey-3 chassis.
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