Franz Schlechtnacht
Now I understand.
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Franz Schlechtnacht
WellYour closet full of guns isn't why America has never been invaded. I wish that bullshit lie was true, but it's not.
Mmmk. The US military is the most feared force on earth and has been for a century. The citizen soldiers aka the national guard and reserves, even as pathetic as they can be are more than anyone wants to mess with. Undoubtedly nobody wants to tie into the armed citizenry, but make no mistake, without an organized military and police force, you'd be speaking a different language. I don't really care if you agree. If you disagree it's because you've never witnessed the devastation that can be created by a well trained and organized military unit, because you've never been part of one. If you think movies like "the patriot" are reality, it's because you just don't know.Well
It is true
And those houses with a gun or 20 in them are why crime doesn’t sky rocket.
Cops protect the criminals from the citizens.
Not the other way around.
Nope. His voluntary service in the SS made him nothing more than a willing participant.Lauri Allan Törni
Imagine a scenario where a new president a few years from now hypes everyone up on removing the illegals from America by force. Offers well paid jobs and tugs at their patriotism. We will gather them up and send them back to their countries by force!
back deep into Mexico
Dude, I think maybe? you are speaking from experience. The problem is, most folks who can legitimately speak so, don’t do it in public subject to random easy interpretations for clicks, as it were. If so, I get it, but few will.You're almost there. There may be hope for you yet, but pay attention, this is the important part:
That SS Nazi gets medals and a paycheck from his government for his role in ww2. His family adores him for what they see as neccessary to "perserve their culture". He believes that he is doing the right thing for the people he feels responsible to and for.
After it's over and he's tied to a post and killed by firing squad, they see it differently and hold him responsible as they see fit.
It's no different for an American soldier. Joe Smith kicks in a door in Iraq and kills a man with an AK. To that man and his family, he's an invader. Joe Smith is doing what he thinks is right to the people he feels responsible for and too, but to the man of that Iraqi, he's an ss nazi scumbag in a different uniform, and he's defending his home, much like any of you would if an invading army came in and kicked in your front door.
None of this shit is black and white.
So they are not speaking Vietnamese in Vietnam? Or farsi and Pashto in Afghanistan?Mmmk. The US military is the most feared force on earth and has been for a century. The citizen soldiers aka the national guard and reserves, even as pathetic as they can be are more than anyone wants to mess with. Undoubtedly nobody wants to tie into the armed citizenry, but make no mistake, without an organized military and police force, you'd be speaking a different language. I don't really care if you agree. If you disagree it's because you've never witnessed the devastation that can be created by a well trained and organized military unit, because you've never been part of one. If you think movies like "the patriot" are reality, it's because you just don't know.
Ridding the country of insurgency?So they are not speaking Vietnamese in Vietnam? Or farsi and Pashto in Afghanistan?
There's plenty of flaws in your arguments.
The SS was not deporting people. They were exterminating them.
While we should never have been in Iraq. The military was not ridding the country of citizens. It was trying to rid the country of insurgency.
I guess you skipped over the first part. We should never have been there to start with. When imperial governments draw borders and set up government for an area that has been tribal/religion run for thousands of years the topic should not be used as an example. Hence the flaw in your arguments. But do carry on. It's been fun reading.Ridding the country of insurgency?
You still make it sound so noble. Give it more time, you'll get there.
I skipped over nothing. I'm not a history teacher, I'm pointing out the holes is absolutist theories, nor did I ever say the SS was a great organization, charitable and well run. I don't know if they had 401k match or if they got paid holidays. All I kept saying is that you can't say that every single person in a group of a million people was an evil piece of shit. I've said it at least twice here that it is a mathematical impossibility. There was a group of SS officers that were executed for a failed attempt to stop Hitler, may have been a decent dude it that group. There's no flaw in my arguement. Absolutism is unrealistic in function.I guess you skipped over the first part. We should never have been there to start with. When imperial governments draw borders and set up government for an area that has been tribal/religion run for thousands of years the topic should not be used as an example. Hence the flaw in your arguments. But do carry on. It's been fun reading.
BTW. Love the way you just skipped over the SS extermination program.
But but but.. weapons of mass destruction, stop the spread of communism, Russia Russia, Putin bad,
Yeah, we were actually there to get control of oil, including the easiest route outside of Iran to get from the Caspian Sea to the Gulf, which is through Afghanistan. How do we do that?I guess you skipped over the first part. We should never have been there to start with. When imperial governments draw borders and set up government for an area that has been tribal/religion run for thousands of years the topic should not be used as an example. Hence the flaw in your arguments. But do carry on. It's been fun reading.
BTW. Love the way you just skipped over the SS extermination program.
A man can’t base an argument on the exceptions to the rule. Speaking in generalities while understanding the possibility that exceptions exist is far more logical. You can judge a man by the company they keep as well. Something you aren’t taking into account.I skipped over nothing. I'm not a history teacher, I'm pointing out the holes is absolutist theories, nor did I ever say the SS was a great organization, charitable and well run. I don't know if they had 401k match or if they got paid holidays. All I kept saying is that you can't say that every single person in a group of a million people was an evil piece of shit. I've said it at least twice here that it is a mathematical impossibility. There was a group of SS officers that were executed for a failed attempt to stop Hitler, may have been a decent dude it that group. There's no flaw in my arguement. Absolutism is unrealistic in function.
I wasn't arguing for the exception, I was arguing with people who were stomping their feet and screaming that the exception didn't exist and anyone who disagrees is a nazi sympathizer. Go back and read it, that was the discussion..A man can’t base an argument on the exceptions to the rule. Speaking in generalities while understanding the possibility that exceptions exist is far more logical.
You’re a fool if you don’t judge groups by what the vast majority do.I skipped over nothing. I'm not a history teacher, I'm pointing out the holes is absolutist theories, nor did I ever say the SS was a great organization, charitable and well run. I don't know if they had 401k match or if they got paid holidays. All I kept saying is that you can't say that every single person in a group of a million people was an evil piece of shit. I've said it at least twice here that it is a mathematical impossibility. There was a group of SS officers that were executed for a failed attempt to stop Hitler, may have been a decent dude it that group. There's no flaw in my arguement. Absolutism is unrealistic in function.
You're doing it again.You’re a fool if you don’t judge groups by what the vast majority do.
If you are walking in a city and see a group of teens and a group of Amish and react the same way you are tarded.
Police are no different than a group of gang members on a corner these days. They might ruin your life. They might not. At least you can somewhat defend yourself against one of the aforementioned gangs
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It's also equally impossible to say they weren't.All I kept saying is that you can't say that every single person in a group of a million people was an evil piece of shit. I've said it at least twice here that it is a mathematical impossibility.
Its almost like we should have some sort of gathering where we determine an individuals guilt or innocence...It's also equally impossible to say they weren't.
Un pequena problema -You’re a fool if you don’t judge groups by what the vast majority do.
If you are walking in a city and see a group of teens and a group of Amish and react the same way you are tarded.
Police are no different than a group of gang members on a corner these days. They might ruin your life. They might not. At least you can somewhat defend yourself against one of the aforementioned gangs
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Nobody said anything about forfeiting rights. You can be the most disposable pos on the planet and still have rights, but you cannot rightfully be considered a good person.Its almost like we should have some sort of gathering where we determine an individuals guilt or innocence...
Belonging to a mis-behaving group doesn't forfeit your rights. Your ancestors owned slaves. That's how the libs want you to pay reparations. You didn't do shit. Doesn't matter: Your group is responsible.
Funny how easy we fall into tyranny....
I think the good doctor is trying to say that bartertown court is horseshit. That the system of investigating and determining guilt and punishment is better than warring over pigshit.Nobody said anything about forfeiting rights. You can be the most disposable pos on the planet and still have rights, but you cannot rightfully be considered a good person.
There's plenty people in prison for crimes they did not actually commit themselves.
They are guilty because they had some association with the group or person that did commit the crime.
And my ancestors never owned slaves, they were too poor and at times could have been considered slaves themselves. Ever heard of indentured servitude and share cropping?
Nobody said anything about forfeiting rights. You can be the most disposable pos on the planet and still have rights, but you cannot rightfully be considered a good person.
There's plenty people in prison for crimes they did not actually commit themselves.
They are guilty because they had some association with the group or person that did commit the crime.
And my ancestors never owned slaves, they were too poor and at times could have been considered slaves themselves. Ever heard of indentured servitude and share cropping?
Perfect response. It won't get us back to that but it is the question that must be asked.Suddenly you don't like being judged by your group....hmmmmmmm. And if you dig back far enough EVERYONE is guilty of slavery (Despite the fact that bills of attainder are forbidden in the constitution). Fell hook line and sinker for that one.
TweedleDee and TweedleDum are all for violence against the police because they are all evil. When I point out that they can't all be evil (watch this misdirection) they move to things like the SS, Nazis, or ISIS. Then it becomes "He Said the SS is good" OR Deersniper comes along and says "Well we judge groups by actions all the time" And individuals opinion and precautions are not violence against an individual or a group.
Lets go back to the beginning: "What did this cop do that deserved a shot to the head"
If your answer is "well he's a cop so he was asking for it" then you are part of the problem. That's it. The rest of it is a bunch of dumbshits trying to hide behind distraction because they are assholes.
Well considering 40 percent beat their wives and that’s just what’s reported , chances are good he fucked with the wrong person or the wrong persons daughter mother etcLets go back to the beginning: "What did this cop do that deserved a shot to the head"
so theres a better than half chance he didn't?Well considering 40 percent beat their wives and that’s just what’s reported , chances are good he fucked with the wrong person or the wrong persons daughter mother etc
What is my group?Suddenly you don't like being judged by your group....hmmmmmmm. And if you dig back far enough EVERYONE is guilty of slavery
See I’m part of the general population. Cops are 4 times more likely to best their wives than the general population.so theres a better than half chance he didn't?
When did you stop beating your wife?
Next think coming, "not all politicians are bad!"
Jan 6 political prisoners , pedophile politicians and .gov child sex rings , shows police are not far from it.Are cops loading people into box cars...nope.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. This will go on with interminable ACAB horseshit. The sun rises, the sun sets, the ACAB horseshit will continue forever and forever. This is what that they do, this is all they do. And they will not stop.Not even gonna try to play peacemaker here, because fuck ‘em all, and all extremists should be shot on sight, right?
But at some point I hope y’all on both sides of this issue take a step back and realize this kind of infighting is exactly the type shit show they love to watch. Take your pick on who ’they’ are, but it furthers the aim of dissension and chaos.
Carry on…
False equivalency.Next think coming, "not all politicians are bad!"
Not me and your argument is weak. And only suits your needs. You do not have the depth of compasssion you claim to have. And this deputy was not a NAZI or SS. You just want to defend your belief that shooting cops is okay.Again, just admit the L
If you were in a Warsaw ghetto....you would be the guy crying every time a Nazi guard got murdered because he might have been one of the "good ones".
You would be crying about how "it's not his fault, it's the politicians"
"He was probably kidnapped and force to work here"
And "He's got a family too!"
And you would claim the jew who shot him was the bad guy.
What do you mean by murder a NAZI? What is the reason? And how does it tie in, at all, with the deputy being shot and killed by a guy who admittedly was off of his actual prescribed medications?Wait So it would be ok to murder a Nazi now?
Your error here is you are playing chess with a pigeon.What do you mean by murder a NAZI? What is the reason? And how does it tie in, at all, with the deputy being shot and killed by a guy who admittedly was off of his actual prescribed medications?
I have to say that doc called it to a T. You just did precisely what he described."Some SS were good guys" -docRDS
But I get it, if I had to argue using the logistical framework you setup for yourself, ide want to deflect answering questions too.
Because if you subscribe to your argument that "you can't judge a person by the groups they join"
Then also by your logic, the jew who murders the Nazi policing the ghetto must be inherently immoral.