did holosun steal their technology?

[The King]

I have no illusions that China is coming and plans to exterminate our nation.

I have just met enough of our nation to stop struggling on their behalf.

 

[forthehunt]

I have no illusions that China is coming and plans to exterminate our nation.

I have just met enough of our nation to stop struggling on their behalf.

You must have learnt that song from the Kim dynasty. You simply swapped out America with China.

China is having a jolly good time taking our tech and selling it back to us. They're smart enough to not kill the goose that takes a golden shit.

 

[The King]

You must have learnt that song from the Kim dynasty. You simply swapped out America with China.

China is having a jolly good time taking our tech and selling it back to us. They're smart enough to not kill the goose that takes a golden shit.

The Chinese are perhaps the most racist people
on the entire planet. Untermenschen is a word they don’t even need translated into Mandarin.

They make the KKK look like the Foreign Exchange Student Welcoming Committee in San Francisco.

They will leave us alone until they have drained our nation of the last drop and then we will be getting the bullet.

 

[forthehunt]

The Chinese are perhaps the most racist people
on the entire planet. Untermenschen is a word they don’t even need translated into Mandarin.

They make the KKK look like the Foreign Exchange Student Welcoming Committee in San Francisco.

They will leave us alone until they have drained our nation of the last drop and then we will be getting the bullet.

AFAIK, China isn't any more or less racist than the average developed country. They are vindictive against the British and the Japanese because of the atrocities committed against the Chinese. They didn't string up or gassed anyone. Their treatment of the Uyghurs is awful but there's a big difference between that and what the KKK and the SS did. A very big difference.

The CCP have no regards for personal freedom but please refrain from being a typical democrat and using the "super racist" label.

 

[TheOE800]

You must be talking about little clowny features...

Cause holosun glass is like looking through snot compared to an RMR

I killed a Type I after a few years of shooting. Supposedly they redesigned the battery terminals to support the recoil of being pistol mounted.

My type II is still going on my G19. Had a third that was still working fine when I sold it.

The Holosuns absolutely lack optically. You’ll note I run the RMR because of the dot size, but my preference would be an enclosed emitter. Personally waiting for MPS plates to come to my platform, it’s not as good as the RMR 6.5 for my astigmatism but I like everything else about it.

 

[fumiyasu]

That's a different argument and we are sort of on the same page. Of course we shouldn't tolerate IP theft but that's inevitable just as weeds will keep sprouting in the yard. Doesn't mean we stop weeding.

We keep innovating, or we play their game and be better at it.


That's because their syllabus is in Chinese. That's not advantage us. It's advantage them. They have their students/agents in our countries benefitting from our experience but they don't have to play a bilateral game.

And they know our language but we don't know theirs. We need more Taiwanese and Hong Kong loyalist among us to be eyes and ears.



Mostly it's because of the belief we can have our cake and eat it too, and because of the notion we are above certain jobs. The UK literally wanted to move all their manufacturing jobs and retain only "intellectuals" to be the financial and IT hub.

Sure, that's the UK and not the US but the core philosophy is similar - we are better. No we are not.

Everytime a people think we are better, they always fall from grace. Old reference, Rome. Recent reference, Vietnam.



Fair enough but I think it's prudent to recognise it is a great product. Many of the commenters here seem to be unable to seperate the quality of the product and their national bias.



Amen.

I agree with quite a few of your points. I think the west need to impose tariffs much smarter. Free trade with China is not fair because they don't respect IP or human rights. If they aren't playing by the rules then we shouldn't neither.

I also think people need to take the threat seriously. I have work with a number of auto manufacturers including a certain German brand that has factories in China and also actual Chinese manufacturers. QC there and manufacturing quality as of today is on par or better than the west... Much like the holosun issue we see now. For many years, I pay more for non Chinese stuff and I can justify it to say it's better because of function or quality but I really struggled when I wanted to get a red dot last year. Just seemed like the holosun was better regardless of price and that is scary.

Another issue is a lot of companies not contract Chinese companies, including holosuns parent company, to make their scopes. So some Sig optics are rebranded holosuns. Lower end vortex are also from China...

Also, did just want to add, holosun has direct links with the Chinese military, so not just CCP supported, it is basically part of the Chinese armed forces, same group of companies that make their small arms. Holosuns are now standard issue to Chinese troops.

I am not some "old conspiracy fudd". I am relatively young and probably liberal leaning in some stances. And I have some Chinese ancestry, so not racist either...

 

[fumiyasu]

AFAIK, China isn't any more or less racist than the average developed country. They are vindictive against the British and the Japanese because of the atrocities committed against the Chinese. They didn't string up or gassed anyone. Their treatment of the Uyghurs is awful but there's a big difference between that and what the KKK and the SS did. A very big difference.

The CCP have no regards for personal freedom but please refrain from being a typical democrat and using the "super racist" label.

I disagree, whilst you will meet many friendly ordinary people if you visit there as a white person, China is really behind in diversity education. If you go there as a darker skin person, you are likely to get some really backwards racist things, mostly out of ignorance rather than real racist ideologies but still, it's like the 1900s in Europe. People aren't bad but just don't know better.

Culturally, pre modern history China has always been the center of influence in Asia, so carries an air of superiority versus other Asian countries, especially the ones with darker skin...

 

[forthehunt]

I disagree, whilst you will meet many friendly ordinary people if you visit there as a white person, China is really behind in diversity education.

They ain't woke that's for sure but I agree, they really lack any exposure whatsoever even though they're obsessed with the NBA. This I gather from colleagues as I have never been to or will ever step foot on Chinese soil.

If you go there as a darker skin person, you are likely to get some really backwards racist things, mostly out of ignorance rather than real racist ideologies but still, it's like the 1900s in Europe. People aren't bad but just don't know better.

I agree with you. My disagreement was with the other guy comparing them to KKK and Nazis.

Culturally, pre modern history China has always been the center of influence in Asia, so carries an air of superiority versus other Asian countries, especially the ones with darker skin...

If we call that a problem, we are legitimizing leftist rhetoric of "white supremacist". Because of my industry, I am surrounded by people from all continent. EVERYONE... Everyone carries some air of "ethnical superiority". That's not a bad thing.

Heck, there's no shortage of that here.

All I'm saying is let's call the CCP out for the actual shit they do. There's enough about them to be disgusted by without the false claims that just works in their favour.

Back to the topic about holosun, as much as everyone here has some degree of disdain for Chinese and/or commies, there is nothing actually bad being said about the product. In fact, I'd say this whole thread makes the product look better. I started reading this thread because typically topics like this has a negative bias but seems like the product is the shiz.

 

[The King]

I agree with you. My disagreement was with the other guy comparing them to KKK and Nazis.

You are correct.

They are MUCH worse than the KKK ever was.

However, compared to the Nazi's, they only currently have 1 million or so Uyghur's in camps undergoing medical experiments and having their children taken away to re-education facilities.

Those are rookie numbers - they are going to have to bump those numbers up...

Become Black, go to China...come back and report...

China has a plan, and if you aren't Han Chinese you aren't going to like the column they put you in.

 

[Arc Light]

Don't forget to add the millions of COVID deaths, near destruction of the world's economy, and untold social turmoil caused by the Chicoms. Nothing good has ever come out of that shithole country, nothing. Unless your life revolves around the latest iPhone.

 

[FuhQ]

And the “JuSt As GoOd” er sheds his skin

This coming from the guy who openly supported the NFA and keeping suppressors regulated and being illegally taxed by the government in the Texas Suppressor legalization thread last year, where they passed legislation to deregulate locally-made suppressors in TX...???

Don't think we've forgotten your Fuddery and bootlicker support...We haven't.

 

[RobbinsHGray]

I have no illusions that China is coming and plans to exterminate our nation.

I have just met enough of our nation to stop struggling on their behalf.

China is coming what does that mean. They’re decades away from being able to land troops on our shore. Don’t get me wrong I’m no China fan. But they are not the threat that they think they are. Their general that said he could sink an aircraft carrier is just funny. He should ask the Japanese how well that kind of an attack worked.

 

[forthehunt]

Don't forget to add the millions of COVID deaths, near destruction of the world's economy, and untold social turmoil caused by the Chicoms. Nothing good has ever come out of that shithole country, nothing. Unless your life revolves around the latest iPhone.

Yes. COVID deaths that affected everyone so that must be racist. The victims aren't homogenous.

So I guess you don't believe that Fauci is responsible? If you do, the perpetrators aren't homogenous either.

You are correct.

They are MUCH worse than the KKK ever was.

However, compared to the Nazi's, they only currently have 1 million or so Uyghur's in camps undergoing medical experiments and having their children taken away to re-education facilities.

I don't disagree that it is genocide. The difference is the CCP recognises their actions as criminal so they don't broadcast it. The KKK and Nazis paraded their victims and broadcasted their intent.

The CCP are already in power. Their genocide wasn't to sway public opinion. The KKK and Nazis used racial slaying to unify race.

All are murderous scum but the KKK and Nazis didn't just single out particular races, they were using that as recruitment.

Become Black, go to China...come back and report...

China has a plan, and if you aren't Han Chinese you aren't going to like the column they put you in.

The CCP couldn't give a shit about race. It is about destroying anyone, race not withstanding, who threatens their legitimacy. The Uyghurs, Hong Kong and most singificantly, Taiwan - these are the people who most challenge the legitimacy of the ruling party.

Read up on the CCP (PRC) vs ROC. It's very similar to the civil war except ROC almost simultaneously fought against the Japanese and then later with the CCP.

The CCP took modern China by coup. They were never voted in and the legitimate government is exiled/retreated to Taiwan.

Know your enemy. They'll rather be labelled racist and sidetrack the world from their true intention - erasing history and securing legitimacy.

Ps. I just so happen to be one of those people that will "disappear" if I step foot on Chinese soil.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

This coming from the guy who openly supported the NFA and keeping suppressors regulated and being illegally taxed by the government in the Texas Suppressor legalization thread last year, where they passed legislation to deregulate locally-made suppressors in TX...???

Don't think we've forgotten your Fuddery and bootlicker support...We haven't.

ohh I feel so ashamed.

 

[FuhQ]

ohh I feel so ashamed.

You should. You're claiming to hate a country for their government practices, and then support our own for doing the exact same shit just to a lesser physical extent. It's all the same sentiment behind it...Power and control over the people.

 

[Milf Dots]

The bottom line is, the CCP already has control of too many of our industries and too much influence over our economy. If there's one industry worth protecting from them it's the shooting sports industry, which is the industry SH is all about.

Holoson is a CCP company- that's bigger than the "made in china" topic.

If you want to be part of the solution- don't buy CCP shooting sports products like Holoson, Swampfoz, Olyte, Nytecore,etc.

ETA: China will never have to invade or attack us to win- they'll just keep up their economic war against us- the war in which they steal our designs, IP, patents, trademarks, etc., then sell their stuff back to girlz who are dazzled with gimmicky features and saving a hundred bucks.

 

[forthehunt]

China is coming what does that mean. They’re decades away from being able to land troops on our shore. Don’t get me wrong I’m no China fan. But they are not the threat that they think they are. Their general that said he could sink an aircraft carrier is just funny. He should ask the Japanese how well that kind of an attack worked.

Don't underestimate them. They have won this war before - outnumbered, outgunned. They waited for the enemy to engage with another enemy, stir civil unrest and with Soviet help, they swooped in.

If it sounds familiar, that's because their MO hasn't changed.

Canada and Australia are already stirring. America is more polarised than ever. Russie is entering the fray again.

This is familiar game.

 

[FuhQ]

The bottom line is, the CCP already has control of too many of our industries and too much influence over our economy. If there's one industry worth protecting from them it's the shooting sports industry, which is the industry SH is all about.

Holoson is a CCP company- that's bigger than the "made in china" topic.

If you want to be part of the solution- don't buy CCP shooting sports products like Holoson, Swampfoz, Olyte, Nytecore,etc.

ETA: China will never have to invade or attack us to win- they'll just keep up their economic war against us- the war in which they steal our designs, IP, patents, trademarks, etc., then sell their stuff back to girlz who are dazzled with gimmicky features and saving a hundred bucks.

And you think our government doesn't already have their greedy ass sticky fingers in too many of our private industries??? Everyone in DC is bought and paid for by some corporate machine. Not to mention the evil scumbags called lobbyists who legally are allowed to pay for play with backroom deals and insider trading... That's corruption at its finest. Those with the deepest trust funds wins...Regardless of how honest or evil of their intentions.

If you think our own government and officials have 1 fucking ounce of honest intentions towards We The People, upholding the laws, and upholding our Constitutional rights, then you're more naive than I thought. I don't care how nice their suit is, and how slick they talk...I don't trust ANYONE in DC...Period...FullGDStop.

 

[Fearlessldr88]

look at it like this they are a necessary evil to compete with the major brands that have only increased their prices to see if people will pay for it

 

[Milf Dots]

look at it like this they are a necessary evil to compete with the major brands that have only increased their prices to see if people will pay for it

That's a flawed premise because the whole point is the CCP steals industries by NOT competing but by greatly undercutting western based companies. Things like living wages versus China's slave wages, China manipulating its currency... I'm not going to repeat all of the info in previous posts- it's all there.

 

[TheHorta]

So, I’ll repeat the question here I asked elsewhere:

Why would I pay the same money for a Holosun as I would a legit RMR?

I’m an RMR fan, and have a number of them (almost all RM06). I’ve had good luck with them and they have been bombproof for me — dozens of classes, thousands of rounds.

I’ve always viewed Holosun as a decent option for the poors, and figured they fit a niche as a cheap RMR alternative. Now that they’re basically the same price, what advatage are they?

 

[Burdy]

So, I’ll repeat the question here I asked elsewhere:

Why would I pay the same money for a Holosun as I would a legit RMR?

I’m an RMR fan, and have a number of them (almost all RM06). I’ve had good luck with them and they have been bombproof for me — dozens of classes, thousands of rounds.

I’ve always viewed Holosun as a decent option for the poors, and figured they fit a niche as a cheap RMR alternative. Now that they’re basically the same price, what advatage are they?

The only real answer to the question is optical quality. I don't mean the quality of the optic, but the quality of the actual optics, visually. IMO almost all other optics...no matter how cheap, beat the RMR in tint, clarity and distortion and FOV, if you will (thick shroud).

I don't think there is any doubt the RMR is the most tested and proven at this point from a durability standpoint, but why the optical quality has to be so bad is beyond me. A Holosun, a Delta Point, a Shield arms, a Bushnell, a Sig....nearly everything is cleaner, with less distortion, less tint and less metal surrounding the glass.

Your use case may push you toward an optic with better visuals even if you know you may not have the ultimate in durability. Ymmv.

 

[DocRDS]

Whatever you do, don't buy an aimpoint. Rheostat when tits up after 10 years.

 

[Milf Dots]

Sometimes one is made aware of an opinion so unique it could be considered an outlier, and one could deduce of the opinion expresser: "even he doesn't believe that".

 

[DRT308]

People piss and moan about Chinese red dots like they're going to destroy our country if you buy one, while still voting for the politicians that are bought and paid for by the CCP. The stink goes very deep.

 

[TurboTrout]

well it’s made by chicoms so…

That being said, if it wasn’t for stupid over priced gov contracts and our war industry, I’d wager trijicon and the like would actually innovate and shit

I have a 65MOA ring 1MOA dot one of these, fucking awsome and make in the UK

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