Diesel fuel shortage

[n2ishun]

I'm hearing from all over that there is only *about* 3 weeks worth of diesel fuel out there right now, and that it's not going to change soon.
I could drop about 19 youtube video links, Fox, Cnn, BBC, etc, but why ?
I'm assuming y'all have heard about this already.....haven't you ?
So....any tips other than making sure your tank is full ?

 

[softcock]

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[E. Bryant]

So....any tips other than making sure your tank is full ?

Buy a big-ass onsite tank, maybe?

If diesel runs dry, most of us will have larger problems than driving our trucks/vans to work. Food and gas at local stores will be the first things to run out, shortly followed by everything else. Gonna be lit.

 

[AngryKoala]

Buy a big-ass onsite tank, maybe?

If diesel runs dry, most of us will have larger problems than driving our trucks/vans to work. Food and gas at local stores will be the first things to run out, shortly followed by everything else. Gonna be lit.

Nah, the Prius will take over hauling of goods across the country.

 

[supercorndogs]

Diesel fuel reserves are at their lowest level since 2008. I don't remember hearing about diesel shortages in 2008.

 

[E. Bryant]

Diesel fuel reserves are at their lowest level since 2008. I don't remember hearing about diesel shortages in 2008.

That's because the fear-and-outrage machine wasn't nearly as well-tuned back then.

 

[DustBun]

Diesel fuel reserves are at their lowest level since 2008. I don't remember hearing about diesel shortages in 2008.

Just a thought but it could be because of the growth in population since then.

In 2008 the population was 299,106,000 according to the Census Bureau

In 2021 the population grew to 331,893,745, not counting all the illegals, according to the Census Bureau

That's 33 million more people consuming power and then there is the additional load they place on the transportation of goods for them to survive by truck, rail and ships, which mostly run on diesel.

 

[AngryKoala]

Just a thought but it could be because of the growth in population since then.

In 2008 the population was 299,106,000 according to the Census Bureau

In 2021 the population grew to 331,893,745, not counting all the illegals, according to the Census Bureau

That's 33 million more people consuming power and then there is the additional load they place on the transportation of goods for them to survive by truck, rail and ships, which mostly run on diesel.

Demand was down as well due to the economy and that's what will happen here. Essentially the economy will have to slow (demand decrease) to catch up to production. Decreasing exports and working with refining companies could also help as well.

 

[supercorndogs]

There's Only a 25 Day Supply of Diesel in the U.S.: Report

 

[fpgt72]

Just a thought but it could be because of the growth in population since then.

In 2008 the population was 299,106,000 according to the Census Bureau

In 2021 the population grew to 331,893,745, not counting all the illegals, according to the Census Bureau

That's 33 million more people consuming power and then there is the additional load they place on the transportation of goods for them to survive by truck, rail and ships, which mostly run on diesel.

Bill Gates has a solution to that for you.

And if we run out of diesel the country will stop, it will make no difference if rail road workers go out on strike or not, no trains will move.

And I would bet half of the people in DC don't know that trains run on diesel, $50 says they think they are just electric.

 

[MtnCreek]

There were shortages in '08. There were several shortages after katrina until the economy collapsed, most if not all were caused by storms shutting down refineries. We have all time high demand and lower refinery capacity. Something other than storms is causing the issue now.

 

[Rthur]

Ya misspelled manufactured clusterfuck.

R

 

[supercorndogs]

Is it about time to switch over to winter blends?

 

[DustBun]

Bill Gates has a solution to that for you.

And if we run out of diesel the country will stop, it will make no difference if rail road workers go out on strike or not, no trains will move.

And I would bet half of the people in DC don't know that trains run on diesel, $50 says they think they are just electric.

Yes, this is all by design. Global depopulation, mass psychosis. Creates a new "standard" of living with less.

To your point about the trains, most people don't even think about what goes on behind the scenes to make a light come on when they flip a switch, or water to come out of a faucet, or sewage to just "go away" or so many other things that are taken for granted.

 

[E. Bryant]

Is it about time to switch over to winter blends?

Blends change throughout the year to support whatever wax point is deemed appropriate for seasonal conditions. It's not quite as simple as the "winter" and "summer' blends for gasoline (which themselves aren't quite so simple).

 

[supercorndogs]

So, yes.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Those Prius drivers who had coal rolled into their windows are getting their revenge.

Might want to invest in Green energy...

 

[E. Bryant]

There were shortages in '08. There were several shortages after katrina until the economy collapsed, most if not all were caused by storms shutting down refineries. We have all time high demand and lower refinery capacity. Something other than storms is causing the issue now.

There are a variety of factors this time around, but one of the biggest has to do with the phasing in of various low-sulfur fuel requirements for rail and marine.

 

[fpgt72]

There are a variety of factors this time around, but one of the biggest has to do with the phasing in of various low-sulfur fuel requirements for rail and marine.

Did those not hit the same time they did for farm equipment. I know that is a huge pain.

 

[Maggot]

Those Prius drivers who had coal rolled into their windows are getting their revenge.

Might want to invest in Green energy...
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There used to be a 'Redneck' thread.

 

[kenny1773]

Buy a big-ass onsite tank, maybe?

So....any tips other than making sure your tank is full ?

These two actions would ensure a shortage
The pipeline of retail fuel assumes not everyone has a full tank on the same day....

 

[E. Bryant]

Did those not hit the same time they did for farm equipment. I know that is a huge pain.

Farm equipment phased in ULSD at the same time as semis and HD light trucks.

 

[232593]

I'm hearing from all over that there is only *about* 3 weeks worth of diesel fuel out there right now, and that it's not going to change soon.
I could drop about 19 youtube video links, Fox, Cnn, BBC, etc, but why ?
I'm assuming y'all have heard about this already.....haven't you ?
So....any tips other than making sure your tank is full ?

Yes, get rid of all the climate change believers.

 

[AngryKoala]

Yes, get rid of all the climate change believers.

Might want to be a bit more specific as climates do change.

 

[346ci]

Just checked on some off road for my tractors, $4.60 gal here.

 

[babyguppy]

These two actions would ensure a shortage
The pipeline of retail fuel assumes not everyone has a full tank on the same day....

I keep mine above 3/4's. I makes me feel better when I fill up. I'm only dropping 40 bucks or so, vs a Franklin.

 

[fpgt72]

Just checked on some off road for my tractors, $4.60 gal here.

On that front, several years ago at the Missouri state fair they had an issue. Usually they will get some tractors to run around the parking areas pulling trollies that will give folk a ride to the front gate, sure you all know what I am talking about.

Well this year they went to bio diesel, filled the machines up drove them over, locked them up for two weeks. Fair comes around and half don't start. Seems the fuel started to break down, pull the filters on some and it was actually green slime, it started to grow. Huge mess pulling injection pumps and basically hosing everything out. "real diesel" went back in. Found out that you need to use that fuel but quick.

This was SEVERAL years ago when this push started. It was funny as hell, but a huge mess.

Just figured it fit in here.

 

[GBMaryland]

I used to have a 1000 gallon tank in the front yard for heating fuel... I'd fill it up in the fall and it'd last until April.

Missing that right about now.

 

[stello1001]

There's a shortage on just about anything if you look hard enough for it. Go ahead, search the web.

Anyhow, I bet we will all be safe from these diesel shortages if we just take the vaccine. The vaccinated will not be affected, just ask the president if you don't believe me.

 

[XP1K]

Those Prius drivers who had coal rolled into their windows are getting their revenge.

Might want to invest in Green energy...
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I may or may not have done that once or twice.

 

[Numb_Skull]

Is this going to be as bad as the frozen chicken tender shortage?

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I may or may not have done that once or twice.

I know I have, 12valve 60psi compound twin. It was SunCoast’s shop truck...

 

[XP1K]

I know I have, 12valve 60psi compound twin. It was SunCoast’s shop truck...

Bad ass! Mine at that time was a 650ish hp 6.0

I've had a few over the years. All ford's. Couple different 7.3's a 6.0 then a 6.7 now back to a mostly stock 6.0

I want to do a hot 2wd ext. cab next but with fuel getting stupid and the economy circling the drain most of my spare income is going for food and bullets lol.

The six0 sits parked most of the time now unless I need it for something.

 

[XTREM HTR16]

On that front, several years ago at the Missouri state fair they had an issue. Usually they will get some tractors to run around the parking areas pulling trollies that will give folk a ride to the front gate, sure you all know what I am talking about.

Well this year they went to bio diesel, filled the machines up drove them over, locked them up for two weeks. Fair comes around and half don't start. Seems the fuel started to break down, pull the filters on some and it was actually green slime, it started to grow. Huge mess pulling injection pumps and basically hosing everything out. "real diesel" went back in. Found out that you need to use that fuel but quick.

This was SEVERAL years ago when this push started. It was funny as hell, but a huge mess.

Just figured it fit in here.

Our water and sewer utility clients learned this also, filled up their diesel emergency generators with biodiesel from CPS. They only run the gen set for 1 hour every Monday if they don't have power outages. biodiesel broke down and cost a bunch to clean them out.

 

[Short-bus]

I think the dip is because of the demand from farmers right now. They're all harvesting all over the country. Probly placed their bulk orders when the prices dipped, and are getting their deliveries now when their demand requirements are the highest.

I do wonder how the custom harvest companies handle fueling requirements since they're working south with the harvest. It's one thing to have a home base where you can have a 20k gallon fuel tank to draw from, but when you're equipment is moving, i'm just curious how they handle that logistical issue.

Branden

 

[n2ishun]

I think the dip is because of the demand from farmers right now. They're all harvesting all over the country. Probly placed their bulk orders when the prices dipped, and are getting their deliveries now when their demand requirements are the highest.

I do wonder how the custom harvest companies handle fueling requirements since they're working south with the harvest. It's one thing to have a home base where you can have a 20k gallon fuel tank to draw from, but when you're equipment is moving, i'm just curious how they handle that logistical issue.

Branden

Harvest has been over for a while now.
Winter planting is what is going on.

Harvesters are a traveling group.
Granted they do hire local *help* but the main employees do not (usually) live anywhere close to where the harvesting takes place.
Surprisingly I do not see many "chongo's" (monkeys in espanol) doing the harvesting as it requires skill in using a few hundred thou dollar machine to do so.
Not many company owners trust that much money of a machine to Pablo from across the border.
It's (from what I've heard) a good temp job if you are looking for some quick cash.
I've never done it, but hear the money is very good.....but hours are long and you do have to work for it as the harvest season is short....like get it the fuck done before the crop rots on the vine kinda stuff.

 

[Skeptic1]

If we only had 3 weeks of diesel left we would most certainly already be at war. We'd have troops on the ground all over eastern Europe bombing everything. Nukes would have already been dropped. Our backyards would probably even see combat.

 

[supercorndogs]

Harvest has been over for a while now.
Winter planting is what is going on.

Harvesters are a traveling group.
Granted they do hire local *help* but the main employees do not (usually) live anywhere close to where the harvesting takes place.
Surprisingly I do not see many "chongo's" (monkeys in espanol) doing the harvesting as it requires skill in using a few hundred thou dollar machine to do so.
Not many company owners trust that much money of a machine to Pablo from across the border.
It's (from what I've heard) a good temp job if you are looking for some quick cash.
I've never done it, but hear the money is very good.....but hours are long and you do have to work for it as the harvest season is short....like get it the fuck done before the crop rots on the vine kinda stuff.

Milo harvest is midway, corn harvest ended a couple weeks ago. Hay harvest goes all year, wheat harvest is in July. Some winter wheat is up, while some is being planted still. I see quite a few fields getting plowed before winter.

There are harvesting crews, but a lot of cutting is still done by local farmers, or local cutting crews or COOPs. Not necessarily the traveling guys. Although i bet they ordered diesel when the price dipped too.

Probably most of guys cleaning up after the hurricane are probably using some extra right now too.

 

[babyguppy]

Harvest has been over for a while now.
Winter planting is what is going on.

Harvesters are a traveling group.
Granted they do hire local *help* but the main employees do not (usually) live anywhere close to where the harvesting takes place.
Surprisingly I do not see many "chongo's" (monkeys in espanol) doing the harvesting as it requires skill in using a few hundred thou dollar machine to do so.
Not many company owners trust that much money of a machine to Pablo from across the border.
It's (from what I've heard) a good temp job if you are looking for some quick cash.
I've never done it, but hear the money is very good.....but hours are long and you do have to work for it as the harvest season is short....like get it the fuck done before the crop rots on the vine kinda stuff.

like, work 20 hours a day, and hope that 'wakey wakey' medicine can keep you going the other 4. If you can do this for 7 days a week, for 2 or 3 months; you have a great career ahead of you. Good thing most of those are becoming self driving

 

[308pirate]

Still waiting for diesel to run out..............

 

[XP1K]

Still waiting for diesel to run out..............

Yeah me too. I view a lot of this stuff as fear porn but it never hurts to be prepared. I live in hurricane country so I'm in the habit of having a little extra of everything around anyway.

I think it's most likely we see a shortage of people that can afford diesel rather than a shortage in supply.

Not sure how many here watch the economic ninja on youtube but he put out a video yesterday and mentioned that diesel was going from $6.97-$7.49 in his hometown. Lives in commiefornia.

I think we're probably in for that nationwide after the midterms. We shall see.

 

[packratt]

Around me, in Va ive seen them harvesting beans and corn as late as january.

 

[mheimer_45]

We are at $5.15 for red diesel at the pump. Luckily we have bulk tanks and still over 2,000 acres of corn to pick. A lot of corn left in my area.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Watch this, starting around 11min in. 3rd section gives some data as to whats going on. Basically shipping it to Europe.

 

[fpgt72]

Harvest has been over for a while now.
Winter planting is what is going on.

Harvesters are a traveling group.
Granted they do hire local *help* but the main employees do not (usually) live anywhere close to where the harvesting takes place.
Surprisingly I do not see many "chongo's" (monkeys in espanol) doing the harvesting as it requires skill in using a few hundred thou dollar machine to do so.
Not many company owners trust that much money of a machine to Pablo from across the border.
It's (from what I've heard) a good temp job if you are looking for some quick cash.
I've never done it, but hear the money is very good.....but hours are long and you do have to work for it as the harvest season is short....like get it the fuck done before the crop rots on the vine kinda stuff.

Like a great many things the labor rate is set by the feds. It really does not matter if you have 10000ac or 1, you all pay the same rate. Around here there are a few smaller apple "farms", you know pick your own apples, and they make juice and cider. Costs have really gone up because of the increases they have to pay Jesus.

Really sideways if you look at it.

 

[forrestgump01]

Milo harvest is midway, corn harvest ended a couple weeks ago. Hay harvest goes all year, wheat harvest is in July. Some winter wheat is up, while some is being planted still. I see quite a few fields getting plowed before winter.

There are harvesting crews, but a lot of cutting is still done by local farmers, or local cutting crews or COOPs. Not necessarily the traveling guys. Although i bet they ordered diesel when the price dipped too.

Probably most of guys cleaning up after the hurricane are probably using some extra right now too.

Cotton harvest is usually early November and sometimes as late as December in southeast .