DO NOT BUY these items...

[Broadway]

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I left Midway because of the shipping cost issues. This latest incident is unfortunate, but not unexpected.
Regrettably, for every educated Hide member, there are hundreds or thousands gun owners of whom quality is not as important as cost. That's who Midway is targeting. Calling, emailing, facebooking or tweeting is ultimately meaningless if the knockoff is producing a profit. The best we can do is to continue to support those companies that support us and live up to the values that we believe in.

We did this to ourselves when we sent our production overseas for the reasons previously mentioned. Now it's up to us to turn that around.

 

[redirt78]

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From:[mailto:redirt78]
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 9:00 PM
To: MidwayUSA Customer Service
Subject: Unethical, to me anyhow (and a lot of other shooters) . Not to mention the folks who make them

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=tacbag

^^^ All four of those bags are direct copies of American owned and operated small business who use American materials and labor. Midway has had them copied and made out of the US and is selling them for half price. I don't like it and I'm not alone. Yes I know it happens all the time and it will continue. I just always expected more from Midway and Mr. Potterfield.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...793#Post3011793

Here is link to a forum who most of the makers of these bags (and their distributors/fans/customers) are members of.

It would be a whole lot more American and supportive to contact the originators, creators and distributors of these bags to see what kind of bulk deal could be made to carry their products. They put the time, money and effort into developing these products only to see them swiped and cheapened by another American company purely for their own profit. This will hurt them and does not support our country whatsoever.


Keep it in America please!

Especially in these hard and trying times when so many Americans are struggling to stay alive and keep their families fed.
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From: MidwayUSA Customer Service <[email protected]>
To:<redirt78@>
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: Unethical, to me anyhow (and a lot of other shooters) . Not to mention the folks who make them


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear James,

Thanks for your email about those products. <span style="font-weight: bold">I'm sorry to hear you're unhappy with those bags</span>. I've forwarded your comments to Management for review. If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us at 1-800-243-3220. Our hours of operation are Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. CT; Saturday and Sunday 9 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. CT. You may also email us at [email protected].

Thanks for Your Business!

MidwayUSA Customer Service</div></div>



From: redirt78
To:MidwayUSA Customer Service
Subject: Unethical, to me anyhow (and a lot of other shooters) . Not to mention the folks who make them

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for your reply and for passing this on.

" I'm sorry to hear you're unhappy with those bags "

The actual bags aren't the real issue. The fact that the designs and descriptions were copied and that the bags are being made out of the USA and are being sold at a cut rate to save someone a few dollars while making someone else a lot of money is the real issue. All of this at the expense of small American owned and operated companies who designed, tested and created these items, some of which rely almost exclusively on these designs. </div></div>

 

[jdmartin]

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I hope the moderators will acknowledge this is economics not politics as I cherish my right to participate on this forum.
For those who defend Midway based on "capitalism",I would really encourage you to look a little deeper into how true free markets work.As Shakespear said a "rose is a rose by any other name". A turd is not a rose no matter who says that it is.
How can a market be called free when a nongovernment, unelected, unaccountable, entity like the straight from the communist manifesto monopoly central bank-the federal reserve-sets the price of the common denominator of all transactions--money.Communist central planning at its best.

How do you reconcile a private monopoly on the creation of money with the idea of a free economy?

How would China have become the manufacturing powerhouse that it is with out that never ending stream of debt based money that the fed creates out of thin air and the American public borrows with their credit cards to buy the Chinese products?
The federal reserve capitalized the manufacturing hegemony of the Chinese and enslaves you to pay back the debt incurred while destroying the jobs of working Americans.(I read that the fed now owns the majority of treasury bonds so we are now their bonded servants.)

How could the welfare system, which corrupted so much of the American public have been paid for without borrowing from daddy warbucks?The system would have dissolved long ago if it had to be paid for with money taxed from the honest producing segment of society .

It becomes very hard to produce in this country when your monetary system basically subsidizes your competitors. This has progressed to the point that 28% of the middle class has lost their home and fallen of the middle class since 2008 because their jobs are gone.We have destroyed our productive capacity to the point we have to import over half of our food.

There is no place in Adam Smith's capitalism and free markets for working for a counterfeiter who charges interest.That is the very basis upon which "communism" has attempted to destroy capitalism.Great societies are destroyed from the inside. Marx knew this and the fed has just about completely hollowed us out.Except for the financial elite of course.

 

[bulzeye]

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I sent an email to customer service and they replied back with:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for your email. Your suggestion has been noted and we will keep your account on file if you wish to return to make future purchases. I personally own the Tac-bag you have listed and was going to purchase it from Triad Tac until I saw that we carried the same thing, cheaper. We leave it up to our customers to make the decission of where they want to shop and customer service is always our first priority.</div></div>

 

[LibertyOptics]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zebra308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So is Midway going to become like Wal-Marts now? Trying to kill the small town business man? </div></div>

In a word, yes. In this economy (even though gun sales are doing very well, the fundamentals still reek) any competition for dollars is looked at as fair game. It's business, and Midway is using their muscle to dominate. For every informed and conscientious customer/shooter here on the Hide, I bet there is at least 10 who will just buy on appearance and price.

As I said in an earlier post, it will be the dedicated shooter who will decide which companies thrive and which ones starve in the future. The companies with the deepest pockets will use any means necessary to keep their cash flow going, we've already seen this.

Good on you to demonstrate the perspicacity (I've been waiting for years to use that word) needed to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Scott

 

[Broadway]

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I'm surprised you received something other then a canned response, although not a very good one. It's not the same bag. Midway does not list the materials other then "nylon". No one expects the same quality at half the price, plus their inflated shipping costs. Unfortunately too many folks place price not quality first, regardless of where it's made. That's the business model giant firms play by. Regrettable but true and it's not changing. If those bags don't sell they will be dropped. I'm sure their buyers are already looking for the next value play to profit from.

Look at the consolidation in the firearms industry and where quality has gone with it.

 

[azimutha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JB Gleason</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...this isn't a "buy USA" issue. This is a "don't buy stolen ideas" issue. </div></div>

That pretty much nails it. "Just because we can" is no excuse. I will no longer buy from Midway either.

FWIW, I had an idea for a scope accessory that the scope maker thought was better than theirs, but because they were locked in a contract for theirs, I chose to respect them and not hurt their business. What goes around comes around...call it kharmapitalism.

 

[Rthur]

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Mega you hit the nail on the head. These corporations view the American public as idiots. They don't give a damn as long as they put more coin in their pockets. Meanwhile selling the made in "USA" bs keeps pouring out of their mouths. Many references have been made that we wouldn't have anything if the asians didn't make it. The interesting part is we used to make all of it. Nafta opened the flood gates to outsource the manufacture of these goods. I am old enough to remember when honda first started selling cars here and everyone thought they could never compete with the locals. Well we have seen how that has worked out.

 

[redirt78]

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<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Midway</span></span><span style="text-decoration: line-through"><span style="color: #FF0000">USA</span></span><span style="color: #660000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">CHINA</span></span>

Just doesn't have the same ring to it but I guess... <span style="color: #660000">"That's the way it is"</span>

Only a Chinese rear bag is an interesting rear bag huh Larry... Damn that

 

[joemusso]

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who did they steal the idea from?

 

[azimutha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joemusso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who did they steal the idea from?
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Uhhmmm, go back and look at the OP.

 

[redirt78]

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T.A.B. GEAR

TRIAD TACTICAL

Red Tac Gear

 

[-Nick-]

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It's not stealing unless you own the idea, and in that case then all the vendors owe whoever decided to stuff a sock with sand an ass ton of money. Is it unethical to use an idea that someone else thought up to undercut them though, yes.

What I love the most about this thread is the irony. Everyone that is bashing China and their lack of innovation. Yet we have them to thank for even being able to shoot firearms. That's right... Chinese alchemy invented both gun powder and guns.

 

[joemusso]

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i did look at the whole thing.

it just amazes me to think that a person would manufacture a product and sell to the public and not patent it. it is not an idea at that point it is a product.
And products should be patented.


it is not right but that is business.

 

[azimutha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not stealing unless you own the idea</div></div> Strictly from a legal standpoint, that would be true. From a moral standpoint, most of us can see what happened here. Do you truly respect Midway for what they did?

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not stealing unless you own the idea</div></div> Strictly from a legal standpoint, that would be true. From a moral standpoint, most of us can see what happened here. Do you truly respect Midway for what they did? </div></div>

Do I need to answer that or can you actually read the entire paragraph that was written rather than pulling exerts to suit ones view? Let me cite it for you again...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not stealing unless you own the idea, and in that case then all the vendors owe whoever decided to stuff a sock with sand an ass ton of money. Is it unethical to use an idea that someone else thought up to undercut them though, yes.
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That would indicate that I believed it unethical which implies immorality... Doesn't change the FACT though that it's not technically stealing which is all that was said.

What is everyone's response to the vendors owing the inventor of the sand sock? Or how about paying China anytime you sell anything with Gunpowder? Anyone?

 

[Jim the Plumber]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim the Plumber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I for one consider Stu a friend. I spend a ton with Midway every year, no more.
I'll find what I need else where.
Broker... ah never mind. </div></div>

Lol... Sorry I didn't jump on the Vendor bandwagon in defense of something that isn't defendable. It's knock-offs... they should feel complimented that it was good enough to knock off. I'm not attacking Stu... I'm attacking the idiots who constantly want to ram "Buy American" down everyone's throat then want to preach their freedoms. I don't even buy from Midway... Besides it's helping my post count get to 100 so I can sell stuff... </div></div>

busted, I'm typing slow, so you can keep up.
The business practice of potterfield is legal. The business practice of potterfield is not the 'moral' way to do busness from an American company that calls itself Midway USA, in my opinion.

 

[2Shots]

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You have no idea the BS you go through to get a patent. I have had one submitted for three years now, still waiting for the first review! You can post patent pending on the product and sell it, but nobody holds china accountable for patent infringements and intellectual property laws. So they can flood the market for years before you get yours approved, then it's a mute point, plus they will be 1/2 the price of the US made product anyway. Sorry, your lawmakers at work! Free trade my a**!

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim the Plumber</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim the Plumber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I for one consider Stu a friend. I spend a ton with Midway every year, no more.
I'll find what I need else where.
Broker... ah never mind. </div></div>

Lol... Sorry I didn't jump on the Vendor bandwagon in defense of something that isn't defendable. It's knock-offs... they should feel complimented that it was good enough to knock off. I'm not attacking Stu... I'm attacking the idiots who constantly want to ram "Buy American" down everyone's throat then want to preach their freedoms. I don't even buy from Midway... Besides it's helping my post count get to 100 so I can sell stuff... </div></div>

busted, I'm typing slow, so you can keep up.
The business practice of potterfield is legal. The business practice of potterfield is not the 'moral' way to do busness from an American company that calls itself Midway USA, in my opinion.
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Jim,
I at no point ever disagreed with the immorality or unethical behavior. I only maintained that defended that it's not illegal and simply business. Did everyone really expect that Triad's Wedgie or Badger's bone would go un-mimicked or copied forever. I also am fed up with hearing China this and China that when anyone that shoots a gun has China to thank for it. A Country that takes such pride in it's origins and creation, yet will abase foreigners at every corner. Every one here is of foreign blood unless there is someone on this forum that is 100% Native American.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2shots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no idea the BS you go through to get a patent. I have had one submitted for three years now, still waiting for the first review! You can post patent pending on the product and sell it, but nobody holds china accountable for patent infringements and intellectual property laws. So they can flood the market for years before you get yours approved, then it's a mute point, plus they will be 1/2 the price of the US made product anyway. Sorry, your lawmakers at work! Free trade my a**! </div></div>

I have a patent attorney in my family, so I know exactly how hard it is and couldn't agree more on that aspect. Talk to the lawmakers elected by the people as it's their doing, not China's. And FYI export laws prevent the importation of any product that violates US patent laws or Trademarked items.

 

[BasraBoy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What is everyone's response to the vendors owing the inventor of the sand sock? Or how about paying China anytime you sell anything with Gunpowder? Anyone?</div></div>

If we still used the same recipe for propellant as the ancient Chinese, or the companies manufacturing thes ebags were filling socks with sand, you may have a point.

But that is not the case.

You are either deliberately or erroneously confusing a basic concept with additional independent development of substances or materials and specifc designs beyond that basic concept.

Would you equate your modern home with a cave? Should your builder or architect be paying the estate of the first human ever to seek shelter under cover?

The issue here is blatant manufacture of products identical to those designed and manufactured (but not patented) by somebody else. Effectively the theft of intellectual property and specific designs.

Some retailers are ethical enough to licence or negotiate bulk purchase agreements that means everyone is dealt with fairly.

Midway clearly do not fall into the category of ethical businesses. Period!

 

[D_TROS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #FF0000">What I love the most about this thread is the irony</span></span></span>. Everyone that is bashing China...

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What I think is the most rediculous is the hypocritical attitude of everyone on here that blasts this, yet goes home and shops from large stores like WALMART, target, Home Depot, sears, costco, etc etc. the list is endless.

Yea you only act like you care cause this is striking close to home for this shooting community, which I understand, but dont get all butt hurt about this and continue to support super stores like walmart that put thousands of small business out of business every day!! SO HYPOCRITICAL!!

Absolutely sickening.

And if you are one of the few who boycott WAlmart as well, then good for you and carry on.

Rant over.

Regards,
DT

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What is everyone's response to the vendors owing the inventor of the sand sock? Or how about paying China anytime you sell anything with Gunpowder? Anyone?</div></div>

If we still used the same recipe for propellant as the ancient Chinese, or the companies manufacturing thes ebags were filling socks with sand, you may have a point.

But that is not the case.

You are either deliberately or erroneously confusing a basic concept with additional independent development of substances or materials and specifc designs beyond that basic concept.

Would you equate your modern home with a cave? Should your builder or architect be paying the estate of the first human ever to seek shelter under cover?

It is also an error to state that owning an idea is strictly limited to those who have taken out patents

The issue here is blatant manufacture of products identical to those designed and manufactured (but not patented) by somebody else. Effectively the theft of intellectual property and specific designs.

Some retailers are ethical enough to licence or negotiate bulk purchase agreements that means everyone is dealt with fairly.

Midway clearly do not fall into the category of ethical businesses. Period! </div></div>

But the materials are in fact questioned as to be inferior and of less quality are they not? The topic was also of outsourcing to China and as to the quality of their manufacturing. So by your standards unless a product is somehow developed further then it's only the intellectual property of the first person to think of it and should not be replicated unless improved upon? Then what about Optic rings, barrels, quick disconnect mounts, sling point attachments, etc? If I had a dollar for every set of rings that are of the same design, concept, and material I'd be rich. No one is commenting on the mass production of those from competing companies?

An idea is not intellectual property. A product is. Unless they mimicked the product down to the exact pattern, material, fill, and name there is no case. Ask any good attorney...

 

[vman]

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It is dissapointing to see Midway do this to their own boys. They should remove the 'USA' from their business name.

 

[jasonk]

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I have no issues with products made in China, it's a global economy, I realize that and have become comfortable sitting in Chinese chairs and typing this on a keyboard I'm sure was made in China.

However, this is a Midway USA dirty move in my opinion, they obviously took USA designed and made bags and sent them to China with the order to copy them. Simple as that.

In short, items produced in China is a fact of life, items copied/stolen is not something I have to support.

 

[BasraBoy]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> An idea is not intellectual property. A product is. Unless they mimicked the product down to the exact pattern, material, fill, and name there is no case. Ask any good attorney...

</div></div>

Doesn't this contradict your previous statement?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not stealing unless you own the idea </div></div>

This is about Midway manufacturing a direct copy of somebody else's <span style="text-decoration: underline">design</span> and <span style="text-decoration: underline">product</span>.

Last year the company I work with took action against a US company that manufactured a copy of one of our products (not covered by a patent) using the same dimensions and appearance and internal proprietary design of our product but different components.

We did ask a good attorney....

They got stopped.

 

[IkeEng]

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I have bought enough gear to fill my garage from the guys, vendors and contacts that I have made by being on this site and I haven’t been on here all that long.

I never felt that I over paid, never received something of lesser quality than I expected, made a ton of virtual friends, expanded my knowledge of the sport, and have always recieved great advice from people who know what hell they are doing.

That’s just something that companies like Midway will never be able to replicate. A sense of value and decency is as foreign to them as their product are to guys like us.

Ike

 

[Muttt]

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It's a sandbag for gods sake. It's a bag filled with sand .... LOL. This thread is rediculous. Who cares .... IT'S A SANDBAG!!!


I could see if it was a knock of a patented percision product. Like the knock of 5.00 Grip Pods you can pick up on ebay, that are exactly the same (except for stainless steal reinforcement). That's blatently a patent ripoff. That might be something to get worked up over. But, a sand bag ..... come on people.

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> An idea is not intellectual property. A product is. Unless they mimicked the product down to the exact pattern, material, fill, and name there is no case. Ask any good attorney...

</div></div>

Doesn't this contradict your previous statement?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not stealing unless you own the idea </div></div>

This is about Midway manufacturing a direct copy of somebody else's <span style="text-decoration: underline">design</span> and <span style="text-decoration: underline">product</span>.

Last year the company I work with took action against a US company that manufactured a copy of one of our products (not covered by a patent) using the same dimensions and appearance and internal proprietary design of our product but different components.

We did ask a good attorney....

They got stopped. </div></div>

Lol... You're right. I should have worded it better.

On the second note. Just because they stopped did not mean they were in the legal wrong but that they simply either A. had a bad attorney or B. Didn't feel that continuing their actions would be of enough benefit to make it worth it continuing said action. And just because a bag has the same dimensions does not mean it's of the same design. You have to look at the internal stitching, material, fabric edge finishing, thread, etc.

As much as I know the onslaught of comments that will follow... Triad, Badger, and Red Tac should buy one of each then disassemble and analyses the construction. Then publicly denounce the quality with a detailed review of such and further reinforce the quality of their own products. If you can't beat them with the law then beat them with marketing. Hell, if 1/2 the people here spent more time linking the vendors websites to places like Facebook, forums, etc as they do spend bashing foreign made products then the SEO for those vendors would increase and benefit them greater than going to facebook and emailing a company that if they cared they wouldn't have done it in the first place...

 

[-Nick-]

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[308MAUS3R]

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So...should we start boycotting Manners stocks and only buy McMillan?

How many people have Remington 700 clones?

 

[Goin'Hot]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308MAUS3R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So...should we start boycotting Manners stocks and only buy McMillan?

How many people have Remington 700 clones?


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No, because they're made in the US.

I'm sure Rem gets a royalty from every action made in their footprint.

 

[azimutha]

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Making rings that fit common interfaces, e.g Picatinny rails or 30mm tubes does not make them a rip off of another company's rings. It isn't accurate to call an action that fits in an inlet for a Remington 700 a clone either. It's just compatible.

 

[righttobeararms8]

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Funny how Midway is getting dogged for not supporting the shooting industry in a lot of these posts, and they get no credit for the NRA Round Up Program (only $6.5 Million and counting) and the numerous NRA shooting trusts they've founded...

 

[kortik]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RightToBearArms8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny how Midway is getting dogged for not supporting the shooting industry in a lot of these posts, and they get no credit for the NRA Round Up Program (only $6.5 Million and counting) and the numerous NRA shooting trusts they've founded...

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Funny how 6.5 million is replacing being an "officer and gentleman".

 

[wakajawaka]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RightToBearArms8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny how Midway is getting dogged for not supporting the shooting industry in a lot of these posts, and they get no credit for the NRA Round Up Program (only $6.5 Million and counting) and the numerous NRA shooting trusts they've founded...

</div></div>

That $6.5 Mill didn't come from them, It came from us...

 

[jasonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dead-bird</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RightToBearArms8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny how Midway is getting dogged for not supporting the shooting industry in a lot of these posts, and they get no credit for the NRA Round Up Program (only $6.5 Million and counting) and the numerous NRA shooting trusts they've founded...

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That $6.5 Mill didn't come from them, It came from us...</div></div>

Winning!

 

[Aqua Mark]

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I buy gear from Red-Tac, TAB, and Triad, and have met all these guys. I do not appreciate a direct rip-off of their gear. I sent emails and a Midway FB wall post. I hope they will reconsider, and sell the real thing instead of cheap copies.

 

[USGUNWORKS]

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I agree with Mark. I like to buy shit from guys I know. I know where the money goes and if I have a problem or need more product I know who to call. Tony and Steve are dicks but I buy there stuff anyway..

Just kidding Tony!

 

[308MAUS3R]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Making rings that fit common interfaces, e.g Picatinny rails or 30mm tubes does not make them a rip off of another company's rings.</div></div>

Apples to Oranges

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It isn't accurate to call an action that fits in an inlet for a Remington 700 a clone either. It's just compatible. </div></div>

How about when it takes the same bottom metal, the same trigger, the same scope base, the same barrel thread, and in some cases the same bolt will fit?

 

[308MAUS3R]

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So it's acceptable for someone to take the idea of filling a sock with sand or beans and improve upon it by making it out of nylon with straps and using a plastic filler, but it's not ok to take the nylon bag and improve upon it by making adjustable straps and putting a spot for a name tape?

Or is it the fact that it is no-longer a US made product? Do all of you make sure your gasoline comes from US wells? Do you all shoot US made optics and rifles?

There seems to be a lot of hypocrisy in this thread.

 

[Muttt]

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It's still ...... JUST A F@#king SANDBAG!!!!

 

[JRose]

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You "it's just a bag" crowd just don't get it...

What size or value of the product does it take to get mad about? If you had a business, and it was your product, I'm sure you'd love to have all your "small products" blatantly ripped off...

It's the principles (or lack thereof) that is the problem, not the product... You cheap as it gets, no matter where it comes from is why corporate greed works. It's why all the products we buy now are made in some mud hut piss ant communist country, and why EVERYTHING nowadays is considered "disposable".

Quality is so poor, and the manufacturer is so hard to actually find, that it's easier to just through it away and get a chicom replacement.

I worked at Wal-Mart when I was a kid, and it breaks my heart what has happened to that company. When I was there, Sam Walton was still alive, and he was ADAMANT that everything in his store was made in America. When he died, it was like the share holders were released from their cages, and there went a proud American company in lieu of bigger profits. Sad, sad, day....

 

[righttobeararms8]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dead-bird</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RightToBearArms8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny how Midway is getting dogged for not supporting the shooting industry in a lot of these posts, and they get no credit for the NRA Round Up Program (only $6.5 Million and counting) and the numerous NRA shooting trusts they've founded...

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That $6.5 Mill didn't come from them, It came from us... </div></div>

Correct you are sir, and one heck of an idea to get $ back to the shooting industry if you ask me. Bottom line, Midway does more to give back to the shooting industry in a single year than most companies are willing and/or capable of doing during their entire existence. Like it or not, that's a fact.

 

[Muttt]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You "it's just a bag" crowd just don't get it...

What size or value of the product does it take to get mad about? If you had a business, and it was your product, I'm sure you'd love to have all your "small products" blatantly ripped off...

It's the principles (or lack thereof) that is the problem, not the product... You cheap as it gets, no matter where it comes from is why corporate greed works. It's why all the products we buy now are made in some mud hut piss ant communist country, and why EVERYTHING nowadays is considered "disposable".

Quality is so poor, and the manufacturer is so hard to actually find, that it's easier to just through it away and get a chicom replacement.

I worked at Wal-Mart when I was a kid, and it breaks my heart what has happened to that company. When I was there, Sam Walton was still alive, and he was ADAMANT that everything in his store was made in America. When he died, it was like the share holders were released from their cages, and there went a proud American company in lieu of bigger profits. Sad, sad, day.... </div></div>


LMFAO ..... you did not just use "I used to work at Walmart" as your preferred sob story about buying "made in America" ..... LOL.

How can you complain about somebody copying something that isn't patented. If they didn't want anyone to copy it ... they should have paid for a patent. That's the American way. Oh, wait a minute, it wouldn't be worth patenting because ..... it's just a F@!king sandbag ...... LOL

 

[427Cobra]

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Go flood Midway's FaceBook page with how we will be spending our money somewhere else, MidwayChiCom is there new name.

 

[RobG]

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The Midway bag thing is BS for sure. But before anyone starts the whole "Buy US" rant, you may want to double check the "made in" label on the PC or smart phone you are posting from.

 

[KYS]

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Damn!! Everyone sure has their panties in a wad lately.

First we have people getting all uptight and holy moly on "The BEAST" rifle from GAP, and now we actually have people defending Mr. Big Corporate USA STEALING from a small business, but it should be OK?!

Am I reading all this correctly?

 

[ArmaHeavy]

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Hopefully someone comes in with some bats and we can all beat each other as a form of expression protected by the 1st Amendment.

I love running around in circles too! Let's add 14 more pages of useless arguing over petty BS.

Who invented espresso? Who gives a fuck?!?! I like mine like I like my women... pure au natural Italian! Would I buy some American coffee or an American woman if it tasted as good as an Italian? Sure! I go to Starbucks sometimes as well! Granted I can't stand my spoon up in my drink like I could in that Italiano cafe in Germany, but it's still tasty coffee.

BTW if you do not stand up for something, gather a bunch of your friends, and collectively say "Fuck No! This shit is wrong!", then it won't be changed. Hence the boycott.

And that also applies to those evil Chinese keyboards as well.

 

[Strangedays]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArmaHeavy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully someone comes in with some bats and we can all beat each other as a form of expression protected by the 1st Amendment.

I love running around in circles too! Let's add 14 more pages of useless arguing over petty BS.

Who invented espresso? Who gives a fuck?!?! I like mine like I like my women... pure au natural Italian! Would I buy some American coffee or an American woman if it tasted as good as an Italian? Sure! I go to Starbucks sometimes as well! Granted I can't stand my spoon up in my drink like I could in that Italiano cafe in Germany, but it's still tasty coffee.

BTW if you do not stand up for something, gather a bunch of your friends, and collectively say "Fuck No! This shit is wrong!", then it won't be changed. Hence the boycott.

And that also applies to those evil Chinese keyboards as well. </div></div>
My keyboard is Japanese, lol