I want to know what is your REAL group size with your DPMS/AR10 style.308 rifles. I have a lot of experience shooting prone with bolt guns, but must admit the AR style platform does not feel natural to me. My DPMS has a great trigger, match barrel, match chamber, good optics,free floated handguard, and I have tried multiple bullet and powder combinations. It will occasionally produce 3/4" groups, but most are closer to 1 1/2". Before I replace the barrel, I would like to hear from others who have similar rifles that routinely shoot better.
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DPMS real accuracy ?
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Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
I have a lr308 24". At 100yds I have 4 different loads that work great. 5 shot groups that could be covered with a dime. This is shooting off a bench with a front bag.
I have a lr308 24". At 100yds I have 4 different loads that work great. 5 shot groups that could be covered with a dime. This is shooting off a bench with a front bag.
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
DPMS AP4 (16' Tube)
I get 1/2 MOA with match ammo at 100 yards--I have not shot match ammo farther.
I have made hits to 400 on steel targets (man silhouette) with Frangible ammo (which is not necessarily MOA ammo
I have fired a buddy's 24 inch heavy barreled DPMS, I made hits on 10" triangle gongs at 600 yards with his pet load of 155 amax and varget (I actually made 15 in a row, as I emptied the magazine).
Both these rifle were made when "W" was president. I understand that "Obama" era DPMS rifles may not shoot or function as well.
BMT
DPMS AP4 (16' Tube)
I get 1/2 MOA with match ammo at 100 yards--I have not shot match ammo farther.
I have made hits to 400 on steel targets (man silhouette) with Frangible ammo (which is not necessarily MOA ammo
I have fired a buddy's 24 inch heavy barreled DPMS, I made hits on 10" triangle gongs at 600 yards with his pet load of 155 amax and varget (I actually made 15 in a row, as I emptied the magazine).
Both these rifle were made when "W" was president. I understand that "Obama" era DPMS rifles may not shoot or function as well.
BMT
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
I built a Tactical Machine Lower with a SI Defense upper with a Black Hole Weaponry 24" 1:11 .308 I'm really getting it to shoot now. I have run .440 at 100. Friday I shot a 1.33 X 2.3" 10 shot at 200 the wind was trying my patience so I ended up loosing 4 out the left of a nice 1.3" 6 shot group opening it to the 2.3" The vertical 1.3" was nice
I enjoy shooting it It holds very close to my Rem 700 PSS I shoot the two alternating I do this so when I'm having a bad day with the AR it usually shows with the 700 also so I don't get down on the AR
I built a Tactical Machine Lower with a SI Defense upper with a Black Hole Weaponry 24" 1:11 .308 I'm really getting it to shoot now. I have run .440 at 100. Friday I shot a 1.33 X 2.3" 10 shot at 200 the wind was trying my patience so I ended up loosing 4 out the left of a nice 1.3" 6 shot group opening it to the 2.3" The vertical 1.3" was nice
I enjoy shooting it It holds very close to my Rem 700 PSS I shoot the two alternating I do this so when I'm having a bad day with the AR it usually shows with the 700 also so I don't get down on the AR
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Bought my dpms 2 years ago. Can easily hit 3" plate at 200 and 300. 6" at 400 and 500.
Bought my dpms 2 years ago. Can easily hit 3" plate at 200 and 300. 6" at 400 and 500.
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I cover 5 shot groups with a dime, not just the center of the holes but the entire group even where the grease marks are on the paper.
I shoot 168 grain SMK and A-Max with the same load and all to mag length. Mine is a 24" SS model with a worked over tigger. I have posted a few photos that show my groups on here if I can find the links I will add them to here.
In case you were wondering I bought mine in 2008 or real early 2009 have to dig out the recept from the safe if you need to know date.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...035#Post1899035
And if you read further down they are right. When you load the weapon don't use the mag catch, pull the charging handle all the way to the rear and the lower then normal cold bore shot will come up a lot.
I cover 5 shot groups with a dime, not just the center of the holes but the entire group even where the grease marks are on the paper.
I shoot 168 grain SMK and A-Max with the same load and all to mag length. Mine is a 24" SS model with a worked over tigger. I have posted a few photos that show my groups on here if I can find the links I will add them to here.
In case you were wondering I bought mine in 2008 or real early 2009 have to dig out the recept from the safe if you need to know date.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...035#Post1899035
And if you read further down they are right. When you load the weapon don't use the mag catch, pull the charging handle all the way to the rear and the lower then normal cold bore shot will come up a lot.
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My SASS upper shoots 1/2-3/4MOA. Other day I shot a couple groups at 400, they were both around 3" for 5 shots. If yours has an honest match barrel and chamber I would think the problem is either you or your ammunition as 308 AR's are hard to shoot well.
My SASS upper shoots 1/2-3/4MOA. Other day I shot a couple groups at 400, they were both around 3" for 5 shots. If yours has an honest match barrel and chamber I would think the problem is either you or your ammunition as 308 AR's are hard to shoot well.
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I have only shot the DPMS a few times. But I was shooting with a couple of guys that owned the stainless 24" barrel. They were getting minute and sub minute groups. It's an accurate gun.
I almost bought a DPMS, but did not want a barrel that long. Instead I purchased the RR LAR 8 it shoots sub minute. My best group is 1/4 inch.
My gun is relatively new and I need to get a few 10 round mags, the 30 rounders interfere when I shoot prone.
My gun is out of the box and does not have a free floated match barrel, etc. It's just a off the rack gun. Your gun should be a tack driver.
I have only shot the DPMS a few times. But I was shooting with a couple of guys that owned the stainless 24" barrel. They were getting minute and sub minute groups. It's an accurate gun.
I almost bought a DPMS, but did not want a barrel that long. Instead I purchased the RR LAR 8 it shoots sub minute. My best group is 1/4 inch.
My gun is relatively new and I need to get a few 10 round mags, the 30 rounders interfere when I shoot prone.
My gun is out of the box and does not have a free floated match barrel, etc. It's just a off the rack gun. Your gun should be a tack driver.
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I have an AP4 that was rebarreled using the heavy m4 contour 20 inch barrel from the factory. I zeroed it at 25 meters, then tested it at 100 meters and shot a 1.26 group measuring from outside to outside, not center to center.
I have an AP4 that was rebarreled using the heavy m4 contour 20 inch barrel from the factory. I zeroed it at 25 meters, then tested it at 100 meters and shot a 1.26 group measuring from outside to outside, not center to center.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wyobill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine will shoot an honest .5 moa with 168 smks about .75 moa with 175 smks or m118lr. </div></div>
Case, powder, primer???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wyobill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine will shoot an honest .5 moa with 168 smks about .75 moa with 175 smks or m118lr. </div></div>
Case, powder, primer???
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
DPMS SASS
10 shot group at 100yards. factory 180gr winchester power points.
hole on the right was discounted because of wind blown debries(icecream bucket) hitting the shooter at the shot. a round was fired to reaplace it.
I have a DPMS REPR in .260rem with a Kreiger bbl that shoots much better.
DPMS SASS
10 shot group at 100yards. factory 180gr winchester power points.
hole on the right was discounted because of wind blown debries(icecream bucket) hitting the shooter at the shot. a round was fired to reaplace it.
I have a DPMS REPR in .260rem with a Kreiger bbl that shoots much better.
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: himaster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wyobill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine will shoot an honest .5 moa with 168 smks about .75 moa with 175 smks or m118lr. </div></div>
Case, powder, primer??? </div></div>
178 amax, win brass, 43.5 varget CCI LR 2.78 COAL ~2.0 brass trim, 178 amax 42.5/44 in LC brass same primer and COAL work well for me too. 44 is overmax though. I have also shot 168 noslers and 168 amax with 44 AA2520 and 44 varget with varying overall lengths and had good success.
Best 175 SMK load I found was my m118 wannabe load, 43 varget, LC brass, CCI LR and 2.82 COAL. However I quit with the 175 SMK as I kept getting weird fliers that I don't get with the amax or nosler cc.
I also found a few good 150 FMJ loads that shot 1-1.5", usually talking around 44 varget in LC brass with 2.745? COAL. I used some 150 M2 replica bullets I bought off wideners for that.
I'd like to try the 185 lapua scenar or FMJ but I don't feel like spending the $$$ when amax' work fine.
As far as chrono data goes the lighter varget loads listed are all around 2450 and the heavier ones closer or over 2500. 168 loads had their best accuracy at 2550-2600(max) for me.
Just what I have found anyways.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: himaster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wyobill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mine will shoot an honest .5 moa with 168 smks about .75 moa with 175 smks or m118lr. </div></div>
Case, powder, primer??? </div></div>
178 amax, win brass, 43.5 varget CCI LR 2.78 COAL ~2.0 brass trim, 178 amax 42.5/44 in LC brass same primer and COAL work well for me too. 44 is overmax though. I have also shot 168 noslers and 168 amax with 44 AA2520 and 44 varget with varying overall lengths and had good success.
Best 175 SMK load I found was my m118 wannabe load, 43 varget, LC brass, CCI LR and 2.82 COAL. However I quit with the 175 SMK as I kept getting weird fliers that I don't get with the amax or nosler cc.
I also found a few good 150 FMJ loads that shot 1-1.5", usually talking around 44 varget in LC brass with 2.745? COAL. I used some 150 M2 replica bullets I bought off wideners for that.
I'd like to try the 185 lapua scenar or FMJ but I don't feel like spending the $$$ when amax' work fine.
As far as chrono data goes the lighter varget loads listed are all around 2450 and the heavier ones closer or over 2500. 168 loads had their best accuracy at 2550-2600(max) for me.
Just what I have found anyways.
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I have the Remington R25, I have not measured groups but have shot the bullseye out of targets with it. I recall sighting it in, we had rounds touching at 100 yards, 4 rounds. Was using bipod, prone and bag.
Mine did NOT like Hornady 150gr SST, at all, however I have to be honest and say I did not try a different mag so that might not be true to say. Pmags work in the DPMS which is really nice, and that is what I have, a few of them. It eats everything else I have given it, best shots I have seen are with my 168gr BlackHills. But I hate doing it, cause its so fast, its like watching 20 dollar bills fly every 10 rounds or so.
Great rifle, its one of our favorites, just wish I had a muzzle break on it, its on the to do list. That would make it my wife's favorite rifle I own.
I have the Remington R25, I have not measured groups but have shot the bullseye out of targets with it. I recall sighting it in, we had rounds touching at 100 yards, 4 rounds. Was using bipod, prone and bag.
Mine did NOT like Hornady 150gr SST, at all, however I have to be honest and say I did not try a different mag so that might not be true to say. Pmags work in the DPMS which is really nice, and that is what I have, a few of them. It eats everything else I have given it, best shots I have seen are with my 168gr BlackHills. But I hate doing it, cause its so fast, its like watching 20 dollar bills fly every 10 rounds or so.
Great rifle, its one of our favorites, just wish I had a muzzle break on it, its on the to do list. That would make it my wife's favorite rifle I own.
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I have the Remington R25 and it shoots the 168SMK Federal loads right at 1/2MOA.
But when I shoot my hunting load 150.gr softpoints (Rem, Win & Federal loads) they are very close to 1.MOA.
However.....I have a horrible trigger that has two stops in it before it breaks.....fixing to order an after market trigger for my easter present. Dont know enough about AR triggers to try and "Fix" one yet, but when I order a replacement, I'll break out the stones and see what I can do.
I have the Remington R25 and it shoots the 168SMK Federal loads right at 1/2MOA.
But when I shoot my hunting load 150.gr softpoints (Rem, Win & Federal loads) they are very close to 1.MOA.
However.....I have a horrible trigger that has two stops in it before it breaks.....fixing to order an after market trigger for my easter present. Dont know enough about AR triggers to try and "Fix" one yet, but when I order a replacement, I'll break out the stones and see what I can do.
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike308bell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the Remington R25 and it shoots the 168SMK Federal loads right at 1/2MOA.
But when I shoot my hunting load 150.gr softpoints (Rem, Win & Federal loads) they are very close to 1.MOA.
However.....I have a horrible trigger that has two stops in it before it breaks.....fixing to order an after market trigger for my easter present. Dont know enough about AR triggers to try and "Fix" one yet, but when I order a replacement, I'll break out the stones and see what I can do. </div></div>
I did not measure the 150gr's but I saw the same thing, the 168s were doing REALLY well, which I don't understand really why. The farthest I have shot this rifle is 600 yards, and it did quite well, hitting the plates just fine. My trigger is actually pretty decent, and I would definitely use this for hunting. It is about the perfect weight, and it doesn't snag on clothing like some of my other ARs with all those damn rails do.
Also, we should explain that the R25 is a DPMS. When you go to get parts, Remington will send you to DPMS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike308bell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the Remington R25 and it shoots the 168SMK Federal loads right at 1/2MOA.
But when I shoot my hunting load 150.gr softpoints (Rem, Win & Federal loads) they are very close to 1.MOA.
However.....I have a horrible trigger that has two stops in it before it breaks.....fixing to order an after market trigger for my easter present. Dont know enough about AR triggers to try and "Fix" one yet, but when I order a replacement, I'll break out the stones and see what I can do. </div></div>
I did not measure the 150gr's but I saw the same thing, the 168s were doing REALLY well, which I don't understand really why. The farthest I have shot this rifle is 600 yards, and it did quite well, hitting the plates just fine. My trigger is actually pretty decent, and I would definitely use this for hunting. It is about the perfect weight, and it doesn't snag on clothing like some of my other ARs with all those damn rails do.
Also, we should explain that the R25 is a DPMS. When you go to get parts, Remington will send you to DPMS.
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Definately agree on the trigger. Was hard to shoot correctly as I had to place more of my finger on the trigger than normal in order to get enough leverage to break a consistent shot. Id say that its heavier than a milspec m4 from the factory.
Definately agree on the trigger. Was hard to shoot correctly as I had to place more of my finger on the trigger than normal in order to get enough leverage to break a consistent shot. Id say that its heavier than a milspec m4 from the factory.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marshallwk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Definately agree on the trigger. Was hard to shoot correctly as I had to place more of my finger on the trigger than normal in order to get enough leverage to break a consistent shot. Id say that its heavier than a milspec m4 from the factory. </div></div>
is your hammer spring green, or a kinda goldish color? if its not the green one they put in the wrong spring.
but either way it IS still just the std combat trigger they put in the AP4's at DPMS. an upgrade is deffinetly a good investment.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marshallwk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Definately agree on the trigger. Was hard to shoot correctly as I had to place more of my finger on the trigger than normal in order to get enough leverage to break a consistent shot. Id say that its heavier than a milspec m4 from the factory. </div></div>
is your hammer spring green, or a kinda goldish color? if its not the green one they put in the wrong spring.
but either way it IS still just the std combat trigger they put in the AP4's at DPMS. an upgrade is deffinetly a good investment.
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24" lr308 w/fgmm 168gr the groups are covered by nickles@100yds
w/ the grey box winchester sx2 or comething like that that are very common at wallmart in tennessee the groups are 1.25-1.5" which is drastically bigger.
24" lr308 w/fgmm 168gr the groups are covered by nickles@100yds
w/ the grey box winchester sx2 or comething like that that are very common at wallmart in tennessee the groups are 1.25-1.5" which is drastically bigger.
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It's the regular goldish/non green trigger. Not really surprised they put on the wrong spring, the weapon was supposed to be a 24 inch version but I got sent the AP4 instead. It was engraved from the factory or else I would've returned it. I've handled some friends 24 inch bull barreled versions and i'd rather tote the AP4 around, albeit at the expense of .25ish MOA. Just got the recent midwayusa catalog in here, theres a few decent offerings for less than $200.
On the DPMS itself I'm tempted to sell it after owning it and not really shooting it for awhile. It's accurate, but for the 800 dollars I spend, could've have bought a Remington bolt action instead and been shooting less than 1 MOA now. Heck maybe it does in a rest but I haven't been able to come close.
But I do hear the 24 inch barreled ones will shoot 1 MOA or less.
It's the regular goldish/non green trigger. Not really surprised they put on the wrong spring, the weapon was supposed to be a 24 inch version but I got sent the AP4 instead. It was engraved from the factory or else I would've returned it. I've handled some friends 24 inch bull barreled versions and i'd rather tote the AP4 around, albeit at the expense of .25ish MOA. Just got the recent midwayusa catalog in here, theres a few decent offerings for less than $200.
On the DPMS itself I'm tempted to sell it after owning it and not really shooting it for awhile. It's accurate, but for the 800 dollars I spend, could've have bought a Remington bolt action instead and been shooting less than 1 MOA now. Heck maybe it does in a rest but I haven't been able to come close.
But I do hear the 24 inch barreled ones will shoot 1 MOA or less.
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More accurate than 90% of the people who say it isnt accurate enough. . . .
More accurate than 90% of the people who say it isnt accurate enough. . . .
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More accurate than 90% of the people who say it isnt accurate enough. . . . </div></div>
Amen!
I'll play with anybody running a $5000.00+ Gas rig as far as accuracy goes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More accurate than 90% of the people who say it isnt accurate enough. . . . </div></div>
Amen!
I'll play with anybody running a $5000.00+ Gas rig as far as accuracy goes.
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Had someone at the range telling me how much better a bolt gun was one day. Went to change targets and noticed the one mentioned was shooting 100yds with front and back bag. He was shooting 5 shot groups that could be covered by a dime. I was shooting front bag only and shooting 5 shot groups you could cover with a quarter. All I kept hearing was how much better a bolt gun would group. So the next time I used front and back bags, and amazingly enough I was shooting 5 shot groups that could be covered by a dime. My lr308 can do alot better than me at this point. I wouldnt worry about 100yd groups anyway. What happens at 300+ is alot more interesting to me.
Had someone at the range telling me how much better a bolt gun was one day. Went to change targets and noticed the one mentioned was shooting 100yds with front and back bag. He was shooting 5 shot groups that could be covered by a dime. I was shooting front bag only and shooting 5 shot groups you could cover with a quarter. All I kept hearing was how much better a bolt gun would group. So the next time I used front and back bags, and amazingly enough I was shooting 5 shot groups that could be covered by a dime. My lr308 can do alot better than me at this point. I wouldnt worry about 100yd groups anyway. What happens at 300+ is alot more interesting to me.
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Initial range trip with my new DMPS LR-308 and Vortex Viper PST 6-24x FFP today. Shooting off a solid bench with a bipod and monopod. I feel the rifle is capable of tighter groups than I was able to shoot today. Next time I'll have to break out the sand bags.
LC-09 brass
41.3gr H-4895
168gr Nosler HPBT (no ogive sorting or meplat trimming)
Win Large Rifle primer
OAL 2.800in
Initial range trip with my new DMPS LR-308 and Vortex Viper PST 6-24x FFP today. Shooting off a solid bench with a bipod and monopod. I feel the rifle is capable of tighter groups than I was able to shoot today. Next time I'll have to break out the sand bags.
LC-09 brass
41.3gr H-4895
168gr Nosler HPBT (no ogive sorting or meplat trimming)
Win Large Rifle primer
OAL 2.800in
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Nice shooting, I have one chambered in 6.5 creedmoor, really like it, I have recently purchased a bolt gun in 6.5 also. The DPMS's shoot like a champ, I also have one of the artic panther ar15's. DPMS makes some quality rifles.
Nice shooting, I have one chambered in 6.5 creedmoor, really like it, I have recently purchased a bolt gun in 6.5 also. The DPMS's shoot like a champ, I also have one of the artic panther ar15's. DPMS makes some quality rifles.
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It's been a busy 2 weeks for my new DPMS with the Juniper Swamp Tactical Match and Woody's DM match. The rifle performed perfectly...the biological component not so much.
Today I finally got a chance to do a little load development with Varget and Nosler 175gr HPBT at the 100yd indoor range.
I think it prefers 43.5gr Varget with the 175gr.
It's been a busy 2 weeks for my new DPMS with the Juniper Swamp Tactical Match and Woody's DM match. The rifle performed perfectly...the biological component not so much.
Today I finally got a chance to do a little load development with Varget and Nosler 175gr HPBT at the 100yd indoor range.
I think it prefers 43.5gr Varget with the 175gr.
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I have a SASS. When I'm having a good day it will shoot consistent sub-MOA. Typically 6 out of 8 targets or so which is consistent by my standards. If I'm having a bad day, not so much. My smallest 5-shot group to date is .332 moa but when I'm "on" I usually get around 3/4.
My best group PERIOD usually measures 1.8 inches, however that's 20 rounds rapid fire. This is where .308 AR platforms really shine...raining lead on a target (or multiple targets), NOT making the prettiest groups.
As an OBTW...I've yet to find a round that prints as good as FGMM 168's
I shot this 20 round string yesterday with 168gr TAP, rapid fire (as rapid as the range Nazis allow) THIS is what AR10 platforms are for..
I have a SASS. When I'm having a good day it will shoot consistent sub-MOA. Typically 6 out of 8 targets or so which is consistent by my standards. If I'm having a bad day, not so much. My smallest 5-shot group to date is .332 moa but when I'm "on" I usually get around 3/4.
My best group PERIOD usually measures 1.8 inches, however that's 20 rounds rapid fire. This is where .308 AR platforms really shine...raining lead on a target (or multiple targets), NOT making the prettiest groups.
As an OBTW...I've yet to find a round that prints as good as FGMM 168's
I shot this 20 round string yesterday with 168gr TAP, rapid fire (as rapid as the range Nazis allow) THIS is what AR10 platforms are for..
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Just got a weaver 3-15 and lr 308 L have not shot it yet does any one have one and what can I expect from it? It says it has the Steel Light Contour Barrel how does that diff from the bull barrell and last thing will this gun go out to a 1000 yards?
Just got a weaver 3-15 and lr 308 L have not shot it yet does any one have one and what can I expect from it? It says it has the Steel Light Contour Barrel how does that diff from the bull barrell and last thing will this gun go out to a 1000 yards?
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I have a 18" 308 lr, with h335 and 175 smk I can hide 5ounds under a quarter. I love it!
I have a 18" 308 lr, with h335 and 175 smk I can hide 5ounds under a quarter. I love it!
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I have been running mine for a couple of months now, and with standard FGMM 168 ammo, it will easily shoot 5 shot groups that can be covered with a nickle all rounds touching. at 200, 300 and 400 its again easily sub MOA. my best groups at 300 have been just over an inch. I dont think that one can argue bolt gun supremacy over a top quality gas gun with any facts to support it.
I have been running mine for a couple of months now, and with standard FGMM 168 ammo, it will easily shoot 5 shot groups that can be covered with a nickle all rounds touching. at 200, 300 and 400 its again easily sub MOA. my best groups at 300 have been just over an inch. I dont think that one can argue bolt gun supremacy over a top quality gas gun with any facts to support it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jlmurphy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know what is your REAL group size with your DPMS/AR10 style.308 rifles. I have a lot of experience shooting prone with bolt guns, but must admit the AR style platform does not feel natural to me. My DPMS has a great trigger, match barrel, match chamber, good optics,free floated handguard, and I have tried multiple bullet and powder combinations. It will occasionally produce 3/4" groups, but most are closer to 1 1/2". Before I replace the barrel, I would like to hear from others who have similar rifles that routinely shoot better. </div></div>
I guess the first question is how much experience do you have shooting semi-auto rifles? Semi auto's are not fire and forget. They need a little "post play" along with all that "foreplay" that you do on your bolt guns.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jlmurphy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know what is your REAL group size with your DPMS/AR10 style.308 rifles. I have a lot of experience shooting prone with bolt guns, but must admit the AR style platform does not feel natural to me. My DPMS has a great trigger, match barrel, match chamber, good optics,free floated handguard, and I have tried multiple bullet and powder combinations. It will occasionally produce 3/4" groups, but most are closer to 1 1/2". Before I replace the barrel, I would like to hear from others who have similar rifles that routinely shoot better. </div></div>
I guess the first question is how much experience do you have shooting semi-auto rifles? Semi auto's are not fire and forget. They need a little "post play" along with all that "foreplay" that you do on your bolt guns.
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I have just started working loads up for my 20" DPMS LR in 260. The only work that has been done is a drop in trigger. Using my bolt gun loads, factory length 2.80 full length resized, new brass with SMK 142's it is 1 moa, pretty well every load so far. Not to say it won't get better with length and load tweaking but IMHO most of these guns off the shelf with bipod and rear bags can shoot .75 moa with load tweeking and still be loaded with non neck sized reliable ammo.
I have just started working loads up for my 20" DPMS LR in 260. The only work that has been done is a drop in trigger. Using my bolt gun loads, factory length 2.80 full length resized, new brass with SMK 142's it is 1 moa, pretty well every load so far. Not to say it won't get better with length and load tweaking but IMHO most of these guns off the shelf with bipod and rear bags can shoot .75 moa with load tweeking and still be loaded with non neck sized reliable ammo.
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It's not really DPMS' real world accuracy, it's shooters shooting a AR format transitioning from a bolt action. For me, shooting an AR is a totally different beast, it really magnifies my errors and lack of skill. Its a very humbling experience for me. My DPMS is capable of 1/2MOA too but I myself am not capable of doing it all the time or even close to be consistent. My problem is I can make 2, maybe 3 shots touch then after that I guess I get too excited and my next few rounds are like 5 inches away. May be cliche but it's the indian and not the arrow.
It's not really DPMS' real world accuracy, it's shooters shooting a AR format transitioning from a bolt action. For me, shooting an AR is a totally different beast, it really magnifies my errors and lack of skill. Its a very humbling experience for me. My DPMS is capable of 1/2MOA too but I myself am not capable of doing it all the time or even close to be consistent. My problem is I can make 2, maybe 3 shots touch then after that I guess I get too excited and my next few rounds are like 5 inches away. May be cliche but it's the indian and not the arrow.
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
Initially, I had a problem with my DPMS rifle having a short throat. I had excess pressure signs, failure to extract cases, unfired rounds that I could mortar to extract would have the rifling engraved onto the bullet after I tapped the stuck bullet out of the barrel. My gunsmith was at the range when this happened, and verified all of the above.
I returned the rifle to DPMS along with bullets having the rifling engraved onto them. They said that the rifle had feeding issues, and returned it. I had never had, nor did I ever report any feeding issues.
However, the next trip to the range, all the problems were gone. Apparently, they just didn't want to admit to a quality control issue, but did run a different reamer into the throat.
After about 200 rounds, my rifle now shoots around .75 to 1.25 moa. Usually it leans much more toward the .75moa area.
Although I like the way it currently shoots, I don't trust companies that aren't honest with me. I'll keep the rifle, but will have someone else replace the barrel when this one wears out.
I ordered the 24 inch rifle with just about every option you can get from DPMS. I wanted a rifle that was factory assembled, not built aftermarket, so that was what I ordered. I have the model that does not have a ejection port cover or a brass deflector, but it throws brass to the 2 o'clock position, so it isn't an issue.
Initially, I had a problem with my DPMS rifle having a short throat. I had excess pressure signs, failure to extract cases, unfired rounds that I could mortar to extract would have the rifling engraved onto the bullet after I tapped the stuck bullet out of the barrel. My gunsmith was at the range when this happened, and verified all of the above.
I returned the rifle to DPMS along with bullets having the rifling engraved onto them. They said that the rifle had feeding issues, and returned it. I had never had, nor did I ever report any feeding issues.
However, the next trip to the range, all the problems were gone. Apparently, they just didn't want to admit to a quality control issue, but did run a different reamer into the throat.
After about 200 rounds, my rifle now shoots around .75 to 1.25 moa. Usually it leans much more toward the .75moa area.
Although I like the way it currently shoots, I don't trust companies that aren't honest with me. I'll keep the rifle, but will have someone else replace the barrel when this one wears out.
I ordered the 24 inch rifle with just about every option you can get from DPMS. I wanted a rifle that was factory assembled, not built aftermarket, so that was what I ordered. I have the model that does not have a ejection port cover or a brass deflector, but it throws brass to the 2 o'clock position, so it isn't an issue.
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlxcupid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not really DPMS' real world accuracy, it's shooters shooting a AR format transitioning from a bolt action. For me, shooting an AR is a totally different beast, it really magnifies my errors and lack of skill. Its a very humbling experience for me. My DPMS is capable of 1/2MOA too but I myself am not capable of doing it all the time or even close to be consistent. My problem is I can make 2, maybe 3 shots touch then after that I guess I get too excited and my next few rounds are like 5 inches away. May be cliche but it's the indian and not the arrow. </div></div>
Exactly my point. The secondary impulse will get you if you don't practice perfect follow thru EVERY time. Honestly, I just realized this myself not too long ago. Call it a bit of bolt gun "snobbishness" if you will. At first I thought it wasn't possible, but if you pay close attention to proper discipline, it does make a difference. Or, just send me that piece of junk barrel and I'll dispose of it properly!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dlxcupid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not really DPMS' real world accuracy, it's shooters shooting a AR format transitioning from a bolt action. For me, shooting an AR is a totally different beast, it really magnifies my errors and lack of skill. Its a very humbling experience for me. My DPMS is capable of 1/2MOA too but I myself am not capable of doing it all the time or even close to be consistent. My problem is I can make 2, maybe 3 shots touch then after that I guess I get too excited and my next few rounds are like 5 inches away. May be cliche but it's the indian and not the arrow. </div></div>
Exactly my point. The secondary impulse will get you if you don't practice perfect follow thru EVERY time. Honestly, I just realized this myself not too long ago. Call it a bit of bolt gun "snobbishness" if you will. At first I thought it wasn't possible, but if you pay close attention to proper discipline, it does make a difference. Or, just send me that piece of junk barrel and I'll dispose of it properly!
Re: DPMS real accuracy ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jlmurphy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know what is your REAL group size with your DPMS/AR10 style.308 rifles. I have a lot of experience shooting prone with bolt guns, but must admit the AR style platform does not feel natural to me. My DPMS has a great trigger, match barrel, match chamber, good optics,free floated handguard, and I have tried multiple bullet and powder combinations. It will occasionally produce 3/4" groups, but most are closer to 1 1/2". Before I replace the barrel, I would like to hear from others who have similar rifles that routinely shoot better. </div></div>
My buddies 24" was just like that. After a trying everything we could think of, he ordered a Lilja 20". The difference was night and day, now it shoots lights out. Seems like DPMS barrels are mostly great with a few duds, like a lot of factory barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jlmurphy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want to know what is your REAL group size with your DPMS/AR10 style.308 rifles. I have a lot of experience shooting prone with bolt guns, but must admit the AR style platform does not feel natural to me. My DPMS has a great trigger, match barrel, match chamber, good optics,free floated handguard, and I have tried multiple bullet and powder combinations. It will occasionally produce 3/4" groups, but most are closer to 1 1/2". Before I replace the barrel, I would like to hear from others who have similar rifles that routinely shoot better. </div></div>
My buddies 24" was just like that. After a trying everything we could think of, he ordered a Lilja 20". The difference was night and day, now it shoots lights out. Seems like DPMS barrels are mostly great with a few duds, like a lot of factory barrels.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot a 4" group at 700yds today.
With this rifle:
John </div></div>
And what are the specs on this rifle? Maker?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot a 4" group at 700yds today.
With this rifle:
John </div></div>
And what are the specs on this rifle? Maker?
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I have an LR-6.5 Creedmoor, and my best five shot 100 yard group is .56 inches. At a precision rifle course last weekend, I rang a six inch plate at 500 yards with little difficulty. I learned a long time ago that my Glock is far more accurate than I am. I say the same about my rifle.
I have an LR-6.5 Creedmoor, and my best five shot 100 yard group is .56 inches. At a precision rifle course last weekend, I rang a six inch plate at 500 yards with little difficulty. I learned a long time ago that my Glock is far more accurate than I am. I say the same about my rifle.
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Keep them coming everyone, I have a bastardized AP4 I am looking at getting, it has a 20" bbl fluted from dpms with 1:11 twist. Anyone know if this is a match bbl, or how it would shoot?
Keep them coming everyone, I have a bastardized AP4 I am looking at getting, it has a 20" bbl fluted from dpms with 1:11 twist. Anyone know if this is a match bbl, or how it would shoot?
