Suppressors Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

[fastex500]

So as I am in month 4 of waiting for my 5.56 can and hating that I bought a threaded can instead of a QD can.. just because I want to be able to run it on multiple AR platforms.

So I am wondering if there is a flash hider/muzzle device that I could put on my AR's that is easier to remove for field changes of the can without having to keep an AR wrench and vice block in the range bag. Not the end of the world.... I'm sure my next order will be a QD 30 cal model, but thought you guys might know of an option.

 

[thezoltar]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

There is no rule that says your flash hiders have to be more than hand tight. You don't need to crank them down with a wrench. Just spin them off when you want to install your can.

 

[95LTZ]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

There is not a single thing about me that is tactical. (Too old & too fat). So I do not need any type of QD device to get the can on or off in a hurry. They are too hot for me to want to get them off the rifle in a hurry. I use muzzle brakes for thread protectors. A very fine job done by Accurate Ordnance.

 

[captrichardson]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thezoltar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no rule that says your flash hiders have to be more than hand tight. You don't need to crank them down with a wrench. Just spin them off when you want to install your can. </div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">SAFETY WARNING!</span></span>
I don't know of anyone who would advocate putting a muzzle device on the end of a barrel hand tight.

Between the blast, vibration, recoil, and torque it would not take much for it to loosen up. Once it comes loose, it could take very little movement to get into the path of an exiting bullet.

I am sure that I don't have to tell anyone that a bullet strike on a muzzle device can have some very serious consequences.

To the OP,
There are muzzle brakes like a Badger FTE that are threaded on and then use a cross bolt system to secure it. These can be put on securely and taken off easily & quickly just by using an Allen Wrench for the cross bolts.

Best of Luck,
M Richardson

 

[thezoltar]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: captrichardson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thezoltar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no rule that says your flash hiders have to be more than hand tight. You don't need to crank them down with a wrench. Just spin them off when you want to install your can. </div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">SAFETY WARNING!</span></span>
I don't know of anyone who would advocate putting a muzzle device on the end of a barrel hand tight.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Well, now there's me. Many other shooters responsibly use their flash hiders as thread protectors. The flash hider as a TEMPORARY device is no more prone to coming loose than any other screw on device.</span>
Between the blast, vibration, recoil, and torque it would not take much for it to loosen up. Once it comes loose, it could take very little movement to get into the path of an exiting bullet.
<span style="color: #FF0000"> Using your logic no one should shoot through a suppressor.</span>
I am sure that I don't have to tell anyone that a bullet strike on a muzzle device can have some very serious consequences.
<span style="color: #FF0000">This includes suppressors, regular thread protectors and things such as flash hiders. </span>
To the OP,
There are muzzle brakes like a Badger FTE that are threaded on and then use a cross bolt system to secure it. These can be put on securely and taken off easily & quickly just by using an Allen Wrench for the cross bolts.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Or any device you choose to use as a thread protector(including your suppressor) should be checked for security before you use them</span>
Best of Luck,
M Richardson </div></div>

 

[captrichardson]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

Personally,

When I was a Unit Armorer for Uncle Sam, we were trained that all muzzle devices were to be tightened with a tool and/or secured with a positive locking device. I don’t ever recall seeing a TM or FM that recommended installing any muzzle device hand tight.

In terms of suppressors, all of mine are torqued onto the barrel and/or held in place with a positive locking device. For threaded suppressors, I can understand running one hand tight given the tolerances that a suppressor requires and the fact that it would have to travel a substantial distance down the threads/barrel before it dropped enough to intersect the bullet. I would assume if you are running a suppressor hand tight, that you are also checking it frequently to insure that it is not loosening up and walking down the barrel.

In terms of thread protectors, they don’t see the same forces because they are not as directly or severely impacted by the muzzle blast like a flashhider or suppressor, and they are also not as likely to drop into the path of a bullet if they loosen a little.

IMHO, I don’t put suppressors or thread protectors in the same category as a muzzle device like a typical flash hider.

I would never advocate installing any muzzle device like a flash hider hand tight, and I doubt that you would find any manufacturers instruction manual that recommends that method for installation.

Finally, I still have scars/marks in my hand & arm from where a flash hider and bullet made contact from the rifle of a shooter next to me. Investigating what happened, the guy showed up at the range, bought a new flash hider, didn't have the proper tools, so he just put it on hand tight, and after a couple of hundred rounds it vibrated loosed and dropped into the path of an exiting bullet. Every shooter around that individual is lucky they were not blinded or seriously injured by the shrapnel & bullet fragments.

I am going to err on the side of caution, and hope the individuals shooting around me do the same, because I may not get so lucky a second time around!

Best of Luck,
M Richardson

 

[fastex500]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

Thanks for all the re-assurance guys!

Making sure muzzle devices are torqued to specified amounts is basically what I am worried about, and the locking cross-bolt type devices may be an easier and still completely safe alternative.

I don't have an issue carrying my armorers wrench in my pack, and honestly, may never want to make the field change.. but it was a thoughts. Also with flash hiders/compensator the angle of the final alignment is critical for some, so a wrench is a necessity.

All of the ideas were running thru my mind, because I left an indoor range and never went back because of 2 safety issues... one of them a loose flash hider on a Ruger mini-14 that exploded in the next bay.... I would never do that to a fellow shooter.

Once again, thanks for the input! I'm just planning to make my 30 cal can a QD model and learn from this buying experience.

 

[compton187]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ Check out this site if you want hey have alot of different things for the M-4

 

[LongArm]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

This would work well

 

[Killer Spade 13]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

captrichardson,

I do hope that any barrel that has been threaded for a device that fits the muzzle will have enough properly machined threads to prevent any such calamity which you describe if it inadvertently becomes loosened.

The nature or coaxial alignment of threaded parts pretty much precludes such a catastrophy.

 

[DeltaP]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">captrichardson,

I do hope that any barrel that has been threaded for a device that fits the muzzle will have enough properly machined threads to prevent any such calamity which you describe if it inadvertently becomes loosened.

The nature or coaxial alignment of threaded parts pretty much precludes such a catastrophy. </div></div>

Believe it or not, almost all threaded mounts will exibit significant deflection of the accessory bore when the accessory shoulder is not tight to the thread shoulder on the barrel.

If the axis of the threads and the axis of the bore at the exit are parallel, any offset (tolerance) is providing a static deviation of the accessory bore axis and the barrel bore axis (projectile flight path). If the barrel thread shoulder and accessory thread shoulder are not parallel, you introduce additional angular tolerance to the relationship between the bore axis and the accessory axis. This is not static, but rather cumulative over the length of the accessory bore axis.

In other words, if the can is loose, it droops. Making the thread tolerance tight as to compensate for this really isn't something that can be done on a mass produced item.

Point taken that it might not be as bad if the threads were custom fit on a one-off basis.

 

[johnson]

Re: Easy off muzzle devices for a threaded suppressor

I use a Smith Vortex FH and screw it on hand tight.