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Electric car nearly takes the record at good wood.
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I know it’s semantics, but you’re never getting a quantum computer phone just because of the way they have to be isolated and shielded. But we already have cloud computing via phone and quantum computers will accessed sumilarly.
I’m not an electrical engineer but I did go to school for computational astrophysics.
Point being, if we plot how fast we went from 400mhz to 1.3ghz, my phone should damn near be self aware
If we plot car brakes, my car today should be able to go back in time when I activate ABS lol
I don't live in Europe or California. I couldn't give 2 shits what they do.
Fuck them.
Oh I get it, that's why I said "I know it's semantics." I only brought it up because there's a common misconception that quantum computing is just the next step in the evolution of computing, and not just the specialized branch that it is.
People also don’t really grasp the difference in size and how the place runs, drive from the east side of France to the west side, now do that in the US.
No doubt...and in five or six decades AOC"s offspring {shudder) will be screaming at the sky that we're destroying the earth and demanding everyone drive whatever her generation finds cool.
Most houses already have at least 1x 240V outlet
I'm a bit skeptical that you are getting any kind of decent charge in 6 hours over 120v
I would be very surprised if you are getting more than 8kwh in 6 hours, it's just like not possible from a standard 15amp plug at the average 100-120v range.
The simple solution if you have an electric dryer is just unplug the dryer and plug in your charger.
Most dryers are on a 240v 30amp to 50amp circuit.
Yeah, beats me. All I know is my wife would drive to the office in the e-Golf and it would use most of the battery. While working it would be on a slow charger and then she’d drive home and it would charge overnight. She’s definitely not at the office for more than 7-8 hours and none of this would be sustainable if it didn’t charge to full overnight. The new car has almost three times the range, so it’s never fully drained.
Its not just the voltage its the amperage you lack to fast charge , 300Amps at 480V is a fucking machine shop level current.
6 hours of 120V will give you 10-12miles !
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Its not just th voltage it the amperage you lack to fast charge , 300Amps at 480 is a fucking machine shop level current.
6 hours of 120V will give you 10-12miles !
And all that juice comes comes from unicorn farts right?
That's a more clear and logical explanation.
If she was charging for 7 to 8 hours at work and then you plugged in and charged all night you could be looking at more like 16+ hours of total charging time per day which makes sense for 120v charging.
I'm all for solar. But if enough people figured out how to convert solar into hp instead of using rechargeable batteries made in China, the government would levy a tax on the sun or tax the dogshit out of you some other way.China bought copper mining rights in the mountains around Kabul 18 years ago. They haven’t been able to produce because of the war. Western Sanctions against the Taliban hinder western investments. Some in Afghanistan would prefer western companies over dealing with China but western politicians have made that hard to finance.
We are literally shooting our selves in the foot. Kinda like all the sanctions on Russia’s energy in Europe artificially inflating global prices. Our current “leaders”are doing this on purpose.
Cant blame your sentiments one bit. But that doesn’t mean electric cars are trash, or not a viable transportation source.
Think of it this way, Solar array, battery power could be 100% off the grind source of transport. In a shit hits the fan energy crisis ie no liquid fuel. You could use solar panels to charge your electric vehicle.
They don't cotton to escapees that live off their grid.
Here's my dilemma - I'm an electronics engineering technician now with 49 years of on the job experience. I started in college in 1974 studying electronics engineering/process control electronics and in two years our senior class project - our final project - became necessary for graduation. What did we build? We built an electric car...without carbon fiber, without todays batteries (no such thing as lithium ion) and without magic. Long story short, we built a 2 person car of tubular steel/aluminum frame with lead acid batteries. We used rewound starter motors from Ford cars to get the needed torque. No such thing as neodymium or titanium. We built a car that could cruise at 65 mph for 180 miles. And we parked in a lot in Chicago, deployed the solar array and recharged the batteries in 7+ hours and drove it back to it's originating point simulating a commuter driving 180 miles to work, parking the car in the parking lot to recharge the batteries sitting in the parking lot for an 8 hour shift, and then drove it 180 miles back home.
In 1976. With lead acid batteries and solar cells and cheesy ass motors of rewound starter motors...without titanium, carbon fiber, or todays high yield batteries and solar cells. 46 fucking years ago we did with Sticks and Spoon what we are being told today can't likely be done. Bullshit.
Somebody be fucking somebody and lying and hiding information and technology. All of this could be done 40+ years ago with shit technology, no process control/computer aided energy manipulation and with solar cells that were literally a fraction of what we have now. We been fucked by Big Money Fossil Fuel and Big Oil for decades. And we will continue to be fucked until we can't cope with the trillions of tons of carbon we have already sent into the atmosphere and we still can't stop.
We been fucked by jackasses with no vision pulling free oil out of the ground and driving cars with it, full well knowing it would destroy the Earth and make it unlivable but we *didn't give a fuck!* because it's all about the money and power. It's all about an Oligarchs money (mo money) and zip about exploiting technology that doesn't benefit the %.01. We did it 46 years ago and now they claim it ain't ready for Prime Time.
Bullshit.
VooDoo
In 1976. With lead acid batteries and solar cells and cheesy ass motors of rewound starter motors...without titanium, carbon fiber, or todays high yield batteries and solar cells. 46 fucking years ago we did with Sticks and Spoon what we are being told today can't likely be done. Bullshit.
Somebody be fucking somebody and lying and hiding information and technology. All of this could be done 40+ years ago with shit technology, no process control/computer aided energy manipulation and with solar cells that were literally a fraction of what we have now. We been fucked by Big Money Fossil Fuel and Big Oil for decades. And we will continue to be fucked until we can't cope with the trillions of tons of carbon we have already sent into the atmosphere and we still can't stop.
We been fucked by jackasses with no vision pulling free oil out of the ground and driving cars with it, full well knowing it would destroy the Earth and make it unlivable but we *didn't give a fuck!* because it's all about the money and power. It's all about an Oligarchs money (mo money) and zip about exploiting technology that doesn't benefit the %.01. We did it 46 years ago and now they claim it ain't ready for Prime Time.
Bullshit.
VooDoo
The problem though is that each of those charging sessions is from a mostly drained battery to full. Drive to work, arrive with maybe 10 miles left. Charge during work. Leave on a full battery, arrive at home with about 10 miles left again. Charge overnight, leave on a full battery in the morning.
Going back further, electric cars were actually some of the first ones made.
The original Ford cars were going to be all electric models.
Porche had some electric milk wagons over 120 years ago, because gasoline wasn't a thing.
We all are used to gasoline powered cars thanks to Rockefeller and Standard Oil and all the political and economic manipulations they did of the entire country, constitution and laws and opinions, in order to make themselves richer.
Most folks have no idea how much the oil companies messed up the world and caused untold suffering and damage to the planet over the past 120 or so years.
Another thing however to think about is, the car that you built, how many safety systems did it have in it? How many climate control options?
Government safety regulations greatly increase the weight of the vehicle as well as to an extent the size. Climate control is pretty much a must have which also uses a fair bit of power in an electric car.
It’s amps
Having a offshore boat, I can run AP and LED lights and nav/com and a very small fridge, but spinning up my AC, forgetaboutit!
Charging a fucking Tesla battery bank off solar, hope ya got looooooots of down time.
Like bring a tent and make a camp fire.
I can't wait for the first 480v mishap.
I have seen it blow a 600 lb electrical cabinet about 75-100 foot across a shop before.
I have seen it turn a guys arm into jelly when he flipped a 480 breaker that had a short.
480v is NOT allowed in residences and neighborhood transformers *usually* don't have 3 phase 220, let alone 480.
It's a huge safety thing....HUGE.
Pro tip: if the wires are colored yellow/orange/brown....leave it the fuck alone.
I have seen it blow a 600 lb electrical cabinet about 75-100 foot across a shop before.
I have seen it turn a guys arm into jelly when he flipped a 480 breaker that had a short.
480v is NOT allowed in residences and neighborhood transformers *usually* don't have 3 phase 220, let alone 480.
It's a huge safety thing....HUGE.
Pro tip: if the wires are colored yellow/orange/brown....leave it the fuck alone.
This is a perfect answer from a complete idiot. If you guys need an example of what happens in an idiot's brain when you try and present actual information this it it.
Nobody said EV cars were 50 years away. Everyone said a decade or two. TWO decades is twenty years. But the idiot distorts to justify his idiotic position. EV's are common now, they are just expensive and hard to charge. They are the swastika armband of the leftist movement. Owning one is a sign to your fellow climate fascists' that you have arrived.
Off shore wind farms are magically better. The idiot always finds a way to claim that stupid shit isn't really stupid if it is magically placed in a magical spot. The wind turbines that are "off-shore" are still shitty and still require regular maintenance, only now it is from a boat. The changes in wind patterns and weather caused by massive wind farms will effect and destroy wildlife even if that wildlife lives in the ocean. They will still kill two large birds an hour only now they will fall in the ocean and be eaten by crabs instead of mice and flies.
When the wind speed decreases by 50%, the off-shore wind turbine will produce 87.5% less electricity, just like on land. Yeah batteries will "become more efficient over time". But at what cost to the environment and by using what chemicals or minerals?
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I noticed the people that are the most aware of the dangers of electricity are electricians. The more experienced the electrician, the more respect they have for it.
Ever seen an electric fireball 15 or so feet in diameter no more than 50 foot from where you are standing ?
That's what happens with 480v when there is a short about 300 foot down the line, past 2 other transformers (1st trans to 220 3ph, 2nd to 240 single) on a 110 line.
I was the guy that threw a shop towel over the guys arm when that fireball literally melted the skin off his arm from shoulder to finger tip and started pouring cold water over it.
I do not want to see that ever again.
I've seen more than 1 body gut shot with stuff hanging out, and after you've seen that a few times it's not all that hard to look at.
When you've seen a melted arm ?
Uhh, fuck no....and now I'm seeing it in my mind.
Fucking thanks for that visual.
Guy I work with completed a circuit of 7200.
Don't recommend it.
Average homeowner is dangerous with/around 220.
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Don't recommend it.
Average homeowner is dangerous with/around 220.
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Are we talking like a gokart/rail buggy, or something resembling an actual 70s era automobile? What was the empty weight?
What kind of power consumption did the starter motors have?
How large of a 70s era PV array did you deploy in a parking lot to get sufficient charge in a lead acid battery bank over <8hr to then drive 180 miles?
And here is the best reason NOT to buy an EV.
I am five ICE vehicles. To replace them with new vehicles of similar quality and price would cost in the neighborhood of $350,000 dollars and they are paid for. I operate them for the cost of maintenance, fuel, registration and insurance. They represent a considerable investment in capital and they have at least a decade of use before they need to be retired.
Leftist fucktards will not pay me what they are worth.
Leftist fucktards will not give me a tax credit that makes up for my losses when they are rendered useless.
As or this moment, they do not make an EV to replace three of them. But they sure as hell will punish me with $7 buck a gallon gas for owning them.
Leftists fucktards are in the middle of crippling the economy to force a shitty technology and shitty product on the American people before it is ready.
America is already reducing its greenhouse gas emissions at a strong rate.
www.epa.gov
In 2021, China's CO2 emissions rose above 11.9 billion tonnes, accounting for 33% of the global total. China's rise in emissions resulted largely from a sharp increase in electricity demand that leaned heavily on coal power. China could give a shit about this imaginary problem that will cripple the west.
Which country has the highest CO2 emissions in 2021?
China
The COVID-19 pandemic and its related restrictions on travel and transportation triggered a decrease to 35.962 GT in 2020, but emissions are expected to resume increasing once 2021 totals become available. China is the largest emitter of CO2 in the world, with 11680 Mt (11.680 GT) of carbon dioxide emissions in 2020.
worldpopulationreview.com
I am five ICE vehicles. To replace them with new vehicles of similar quality and price would cost in the neighborhood of $350,000 dollars and they are paid for. I operate them for the cost of maintenance, fuel, registration and insurance. They represent a considerable investment in capital and they have at least a decade of use before they need to be retired.
Leftist fucktards will not pay me what they are worth.
Leftist fucktards will not give me a tax credit that makes up for my losses when they are rendered useless.
As or this moment, they do not make an EV to replace three of them. But they sure as hell will punish me with $7 buck a gallon gas for owning them.
Leftists fucktards are in the middle of crippling the economy to force a shitty technology and shitty product on the American people before it is ready.
America is already reducing its greenhouse gas emissions at a strong rate.
- Greenhouse gas emissions in 2020 (after accounting for sequestration from the land sector) were 21% below 2005 levels.
Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks | US EPA
The national greenhouse gas inventory is developed each year to track trends in U.S. emissions and removals. Find emissions by source, economic sector and greenhouse gas.
www.epa.gov
In 2021, China's CO2 emissions rose above 11.9 billion tonnes, accounting for 33% of the global total. China's rise in emissions resulted largely from a sharp increase in electricity demand that leaned heavily on coal power. China could give a shit about this imaginary problem that will cripple the west.
Which country has the highest CO2 emissions in 2021?
China
The COVID-19 pandemic and its related restrictions on travel and transportation triggered a decrease to 35.962 GT in 2020, but emissions are expected to resume increasing once 2021 totals become available. China is the largest emitter of CO2 in the world, with 11680 Mt (11.680 GT) of carbon dioxide emissions in 2020.
Carbon Footprint by Country 2024
I can't make a trip into our little podunk town without seeing at least one or two Teslas. Usually the cheaper ones but the occasional Model S. Who knows how many other EVs I don't recognize. And charger banks are popping up all over. Hell, I'd buy a Model S today if I didn't have so many other interests milking the bank account. Can't find it now but saw a report a few weeks ago that Ford is opening reservations for 2023 F150 Lightnings next month. Seriously thinking about getting in line if they can get the dealer BS worked out.
Just don't understand the EV hate other than folks jumping on the cool bus given all the anti-EV internet spin. Sure there are issues, what emerging tech doesn't. And just as surely, most of those issues will be worked out. Will gas/diesel go away in our lifetimes? Of course not. But EVs are coming and coming fast.
Just don't understand the EV hate other than folks jumping on the cool bus given all the anti-EV internet spin. Sure there are issues, what emerging tech doesn't. And just as surely, most of those issues will be worked out. Will gas/diesel go away in our lifetimes? Of course not. But EVs are coming and coming fast.
Not arguing with you. Just adding an extra consideration. Someone will see the accelerated charging of a 480v system and think, "That's what I'll have installed."I agree you are not an electrical engineer. You are off by a mere 34 hours on your guess.
However, we can give you an approximate charging time if you have a dead Tesla battery and need a full charge.
Here are the estimates of how long it takes to fully charge a tesla:
- Level 1 (120 V): 20 to 40 hours
- Level 2 (240 V): 8 to 12 hours
- Level 3 (480 V): 15 to 25 minutes
How Long Does it Take to Charge a Tesla?
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I work with 480 every day... Commercial stations are one thing. But I would never consider installing a 480 volt system in the average person's home... There's always going to be a certain percentage of dumbasses who have no clue but are "sure they can fix it themselves." The upside is their funeral will be cheaper if their burial plan pre-opted for cremation. Any system over 250 volts phase to ground is unforgiving to say the least
Then after a few hundred "handyman barbeques" we'll all be subjected to tear-jerker PSA's admonishing us to not mess with the charging systems in our homes... And enough mandatory interlocks to make the average person think they're prepping for a nuclear launch.
Mike
Just as a note, if running a 48 Amp+ 240V charging plug for charging your car at home isn't fast enough, you could pay the big bucks and get a high speed DC Fast charger installed if your electricity supplier actually will be able to run the circuit for it to your house.
However all things being equal, I don't think most folks will find that they need more than 50 amps at 240V to charge their car at home since it will easily charge completely in less than an evening.
The super high speed chargers are really only needed by folks when they are on the road and want to be able to push 250+ KWh to their battery to minimize wait time.
As far as I know most utilities won't run 3 phase to a residence anyway... Unless you want to pay for the installation up front... And that was $26k for 480 Delta to a shop... Back in the late 90's. (Guy had bought a Warner & Swasey lathe at an auction and wanted to put it in his dad's shop)
Mike
You probably did not build a 4000lb car with rewound starter motors, the ever larger and heavier car requiring ever more energy to move is quite a challenge for manufacturers especialy when they need to make a car affordable
In the future as EV becomes more mainstream expect the Tesla like preformance to go way of Dodo , as the politicians regulate the shit out of everything we do. We are now getting into tyre emission standards, soon you will be riding stone hard tyres like Flintstones ,that are good for the enviroment but get you killed in no time.
But slowly solar charged cars are coming, first one is definitely not affordable at humble 250+k $
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Yup. In addition, the green/leftist/Euro trash/white shame/pedo crew are busily destroying our economy and their future. In 10 yrs all these initiatives will be in the shitter. It’s already falling apart, but covid/gay pride/Ukraine is distracting the idiots for now.I care that the entire electric car thing is a scam built upon a foundation of lies. Yeah, they accelerate faster, that is a by-product of an electric motor. Thus far most electric cars and trucks are crippled when they go uphill or run at full power for more than the 41 seconds required for this race. They heat soak and it is far harder to cool a one ton battery so it does not explode than an ICE engine that creates similar power.
Here is the basic problem with lying assed electric car cunts. The Electric Car Cunts of America claim the average battery shitbox will require about 2,300 KWH a year to power it thru Faggot land. The problem is that is you calculate the average number of miles the average person drives by the average number of KW per mile, even the most generous rendering of math says these cars will require 4,458 KWH, nearly 100% more. If your shitty product had real value you would not have to be a lying cunt to market it, the value would be apparent and people would flock to buy it.
This country has 290 MILLION privately owned vehicles. Let's say that only 1/2 of them are driven daily. That will require about 650,000,000 MEGAWATTS of electricity annually. That will require 645,000 new wind turbines. Those new wind turbines will require 52 MILLION ACRES OF LAND. Imagine covering an area 1.5 times the size of New York state in wind turbines. now imagine the tens of thousands of transformers and thousands of miles of wire required to connect them to anything else.
If we swapped every commercial truck and private vehicle to battery is will require a billion of those swappable battery packs, literally. That is just America.
Cobalt, lithium, manganese, nickel, copper and lead are all required to make an electric car battery. All of it will be strip mined from somewhere or dredged from the oceans and all of it will cause stunning levels of pollution. Here is the best part. The Electric Car Cunts of America claim making a battery for a Tesla model 3 only emits 15,000 pounds of CO2, far less than anything for an ICE car. They get this figure by forgetting the CO2 emitted in the mining, refining, processing and shipping of all the raw materials for the battery and only tracking the battery making process at the Tesla plant in Nevada.
Every ton of lithium creates 15 tons of CO2. In America a 100,000 tons of CO2 are emitted annually just to make and refine lead. Every ton of manganese processed creates 6 tons of CO2. 2.5 tons of CO2 per ton of copper. 11.5 tons of CO2 for a ton of aluminum and each Tesla requires nearly 500 pounds of aluminum. Hell you will still need 12 million barrels of oil a year just to make fucking plastic bags. Essentially a Tesla Model S produces as much CO@ as an ICE car that gets 20 mpg.
The real problem with electric cars is that they are built on a pyramid of lies and idiots think that because the car does not emit exhaust it is not creating pollution. Idiots are absolutely critical to the marketing of electric cars. Stupid motherfuckers who believe that if they are not doing the burning, it simply ceases to happen. You know..........................................people stupid enough to vote for Joe Biden.
Tesla's Electric Cars Aren't as Green as You Might Think
Despite their green cred, Tesla cars create pollution and carbon emissions in ways that are easily overlooked by consumers and investors.www.wired.com
They have done a lot of work regarding the battery cooling. Instead of counting on air to cool; they are looking at direct immersion cooling or flow through cooling. This actually gets rid of the hot spot issues with the air cool design.
Most of the issues regarding EV will be worked out. Server farms are far more taxing on the grid than EVs.
There is still a lot of work to do on the fluid/additive side and optimization on the gear/bearing design.
Most of the issues regarding EV will be worked out. Server farms are far more taxing on the grid than EVs.
There is still a lot of work to do on the fluid/additive side and optimization on the gear/bearing design.
Well and good but the main point here was look at how fast this thing is and the technology that did it.
Running off on the tangent of the political aspect has been done, most if, not all here get it. So shift the perspective to a glass half full vs my glass is empty and there is a turd in it. I enjoy speed. Very few things get my adrenaline pumping like playing on the edge of death in some sort of high speed contraption. So fuck the political bull shit and sit back and imagine what that 39.08 second blast up the hill would be like!!! Get into the potential of this tech not looking at it from a turd in the glass perspective. Shit man!!
This thing does zero to 300kmph/190 mph in 9 seconds.
It produces 2000kg/4400lbs of down force from its fan at a stand still.
Weights under 2200 lbs.
Has an endurance of over 30mins at GT3 speeds.
It produces 2000kg/4400lbs of down force from its fan at a stand still.
Weights under 2200 lbs.
Has an endurance of over 30mins at GT3 speeds.
And the batteries can be tossed into the ocean to recharge the electric eels.
Pretty sad that some people have to drag politics into everything and can't just enjoy things in life. I don't care what kind of car it is or how it's powered, you can't tell me that this isn't impressive.
An electric Mercedes-Benz drove 747 miles without recharging, nearly twice the range of Tesla's Model S
A fully charged Mercedes-Benz Vision EQXX could drive from New York to Indianapolis without stopping — and still have some energy left over.
www.businessinsider.com
If you think that pony cars from the seventies bring great money at auctions just wait a while. The present crop of gasoline powered cars will bring a lot more money at auction in a few years if the greenheads have their way.
The time to buy gas cars is now....
The time to buy gas cars is now....
I mean, yes, but if things move forward with battery recycling it will surely be a game changer.
Of course, precious metal extraction is an entirely different beast and a very dirty process.
Got to be one of the favorites sort of a Group B rally car in Good Wood and just shows how fast the Group B cars could be , besting most of the specials with something that resembles a car with aerodynamics of a brick and a roof rack aero package
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Travis is an incredible driver. I think he was 6th fastest of the timed shoot out, some where in the top ten definitely.
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