EPA deregulation

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Memberberries said:
I like to go outside and I don't want smog. Maybe it's because I've been to China and seen how nasty and dirty the air is without environmental regulations but I don't think this is a good thing.
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We used to be able to make things here. We made it cheaper to run cargo ships back and forth to China burning tens of thousands of gallons of bunker oil.

We can do things cleaner here. But the threat of fines for no reason keeps people from even trying.
 
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Memberberries said:
I'm a millennial, let er rip lol
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70' and 80's were the ass end of any real smog.
That would put you at 9 or less when LA (1990) experienced their cleanest smog season on record.
You think we can't have clean air if the EPA is brought back to reasonable levels of reach/power.
You've been deceived to think it was only used for mentioned.
Production, namely in our country, was decimated at the alter of the greenies.
AKA another lever of power.

R
 
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chevy_man said:
We used to be able to make things here. We made it cheaper to run cargo ships back and forth to China burning tens of thousands of gallons of bunker oil.

We can do things cleaner here. But the threat of fines for no reason keeps people from even trying.
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The EPA doesn't fine enough to actually matter, they're "slap on the wrist" level at best. I think the real solution is in the tariffs and trade agreements not in environmental deregulation
 
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Memberberries said:
The EPA doesn't fine enough to actually matter, they're "slap on the wrist" level at best. I think the real solution is in the tariffs and trade agreements not in environmental deregulation
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Go work for a farmer or a land developer and your head will explode.

If it's a slap on the wrist then someone chopping your head off is a paper cut.
 
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Memberberries said:
The EPA doesn't fine enough to actually matter, they're "slap on the wrist" level at best. I think the real solution is in the tariffs and trade agreements not in environmental deregulation
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Ummm no. I have known and seen multiple people running businesses fined 5 and 6 digit funds for EPA violation.

When I worked for Suncoast Converter, some one complained about how we were storing old Transmission fluid in 55 gallon drums out back and they caught a $50,000 fine. Me and another guy are the one who were tasked with moving and rearranging things to meet the requirements.

EPA is hell on the oil industry in the Gulf of AMERICA. Raising the cost of production.

Look up the auto tuners slapped with fines in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for removing emissions equipment.


I like clean air too, but the added cost of maintenance to light and heavy duty trucks meeting those standards is a thing.

Not just your power bill, shipping and hydrocarbons cover all goods we use. When its more expensive, everything is more expensive.
 
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It’s the false dichotomy of listing CO2 as a pollutant when it’s literally in every living thing. Do you know what a tree line is on a mountain and why it’s there? Probably not. Why do we have emissions equipment on civilian trucks but not government? Did you know non emission vehicles are more efficient because it takes 20% more energy (more hydrocarbons) to “regen” a dpf filter? So being less efficient and burning more fuel with more complexity and expense is saving the planet? But the government gets to sidestep those regulations because it’s too complex and inefficient?

You are definitely retarded.
 
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Bender said:
It’s the false dichotomy of listing CO2 as a pollutant when it’s literally in every living thing. Do you know what a tree line is on a mountain and why it’s there? Probably not. Why do we have emissions equipment on civilian trucks but not government? Did you know non emission vehicles are more efficient because it takes 20% more energy (more hydrocarbons) to “regen” a dpf filter? So being less efficient and burning more fuel with more complexity and expense is saving the planet? But the government gets to sidestep those regulations because it’s too complex and inefficient?

You are definitely retarded.
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I never said the EPA did a good job, just that without rules everything is gonna be worse
 
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EPA fines aren't the biggest problem (although they're massive), permitting delays running into several years to decades is the main problem. Companies have to hire a team of dozens to hundreds of lawyers just to wade through all the bullshit red tape to build a new plant, and over the last fifteen years many just quit trying and offshored production. It is fucking our country and citizenry over chasing a ghost that doesn't exist, only to push those industries to our enemy states with zero regulation. It didn't help a single thing for "the environment" because air currents don't observe borders.

The leftist EPA has made zero secret their intent is to eliminate the organic fuel industry right along with nuclear, which would destroy America. The strength of America over the last two and a half centuries has always been its ability to produce goods at large scale and low price, because we had the freedom and ability to extract resources and produce power that fuels efficiency. We could raise horse and oxen cheaper to power farm equipment, pull vast amounts of coal and then oil & gas out of the ground, move them via road, rail and pipeline to the population centers where men were ready to convert raw materials into products. We figured out how to split atoms and harness water, making power that much more reliable and cheaper.

Cheaper power has won two World Wars and elevated the US to the economic and geopolitical powerhouse we are. China's cheaper power is going to elevate them well beyond the US in the very near future, and they're not doing it through wind turbines and solar panels for themselves. They're doing it through convincing us we have to have anemic wind and solar generation that exponentially costs more to produce per KWh than organic and nuclear fuels, then making the shit with their cheap power and selling it to us while laughing all the way to world dominance.

But sure, who should worry about paying another $20 on their power bill if it keeps the air "clean". What a fucking laugh...
 
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MK20 said:
Damn, you really are a bootlicking rule follower who is scared to think for yourself or to look at and experience actual reality.

People like you are why great countries die.
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Look at you thinking corporations won't rape and pillage our country for profit as soon as they get any opportunity...

And to think trying to protect what's left is why our country is going to die, you really don't understand how the world works
 
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Bender said:
Do you know what a tree line is on a mountain and why it’s there?
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Because they are too bothersome to cut down?

Bender said:
Did you know non emission vehicles are more efficient because it takes 20% more energy (more hydrocarbons) to “regen” a dpf filter? So being less efficient and burning more fuel with more complexity and expense is saving the planet?
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It’s like bike motors, they keep getting bigger to make the same power.
 
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Memberberries said:
I like to go outside and I don't want smog. Maybe it's because I've been to China and seen how nasty and dirty the air is without environmental regulations but I don't think this is a good thing.
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I've lived in China for ages. Been back and forth for about 25 years on top of that. I get what you are saying, but this is not the same thing.

Let's say there are ten regulations. Six or seven of them were just completely made up by some unelected group of DC folks with zero input or say from Congress. On top of that those people making up rules and laws are doing so 85% of the time just based around activism. That system was in place for about 50 years so layer upon layer piled on top of each other with nothing ever being challenged.

If you however look at the whole picture, three of those ten regulations actually help accomplish what you are referring to in a reasonable real world practical sense. Hence why not get rid of those overburdening other seven?
 
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alamo5000 said:
If you however look at the whole picture, three of those ten regulations actually help accomplish what you are referring to in a reasonable real world practical sense. Hence why not get rid of those overburdening other seven?
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This, reasonable regulation. Not smily glad hands with hidden agenda motivation.
 
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Memberberries said:
Look at you thinking people in the government won't rape and pillage our country for profit as soon as they get any opportunity...

And to think trying to protect what's left is why our country is going to die, you really don't understand how the world works
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Fixed it for you.

Yes there are corporations that will do that, but there are many more in the government that will do it too, and a lot of the time those corporations are friends with the government folks.

Edit: You see, if I am in an industry, and I am established, I want to build the biggest moat I can around my business. A lot of the time the primary way this is done is by having the right friends in government.

If I can arrange it to make absolutely as many barriers as possible for new competition it's good for me. Instead of the cost of entry being $5 or $10 million dollars, let's make it $200 million. If permitting is supposed to take place, let's make that process take 5 to 10 years.

Oh and when you retire from the government we have a nice second career waiting for you...
 
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Memberberries said:
I like to go outside and I don't want smog. Maybe it's because I've been to China and seen how nasty and dirty the air is without environmental regulations but I don't think this is a good thing.
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You should go back to posting less.

Maybe educate yourself about the current emissions mandates , how the air is cleaner after it goes through a new diesel

The effects on the environment of producing etc DEF , effects of vehicles having much shorter lifespans. Effects of manufacturing parts and the associated costs to continually repair low mile vehicles.

Etc
 
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GreenGO Juan said:
Ummm no. I have known and seen multiple people running businesses fined 5 and 6 digit funds for EPA violation.

When I worked for Suncoast Converter, some one complained about how we were storing old Transmission fluid in 55 gallon drums out back and they caught a $50,000 fine. Me and another guy are the one who were tasked with moving and rearranging things to meet the requirements.

EPA is hell on the oil industry in the Gulf of AMERICA. Raising the cost of production.

Look up the auto tuners slapped with fines in the hundreds of thousands of dollars for removing emissions equipment.


I like clean air too, but the added cost of maintenance to light and heavy duty trucks meeting those standards is a thing.

Not just your power bill, shipping and hydrocarbons cover all goods we use. When its more expensive, everything is more expensive.
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You worked for Suncoast? As in some of the best Cummins torque converters? nice!
 
#31
nagantguy said:
Does this mean I can get gas cans that actually work- with the two hands that I have ?
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the gas can abortion is the perfect example of EPA fascism. "saves fuel,protects the environment". i dare anyone to demonstrate filling a weed eater or chain saw without spilling about as much fuel than goes in the tank (for those of us with 2 hands/arms).
the fact is that EPA is mostly used as a tool of aggressive NWO agenda pushing. harassing shooting ranges for lead,cow farts,obstructing refinery construction,obstructing nuc plant construction. what these doctrinaire lefts won't acknowledge is that EPA is as corrupt as any other gov agency. eg the glades/lake Okeechobee here in FL. these have been polluted by big sugar for decades. but big sugar has owned FL state and fed pols for decades. they have been bought off and keep any environmental concerns out of consideration. don't look too far into the idiocy and damage by the corps of engineers and EPA acquiescence. the forcing by EPA of the wind farms and solar fields has caused huge environmental damage,land wastage and excess $ per kilw/hr. etoh in fuel? absolute rape of the economy and the environment. takes > 1 gal of petro to make 1 gal of etoh for cars. not to mention the fact that it fucks up injectors and plugs equaling higher maintenance costs and lower potential mileage on vehicle life.
also,what alamo5000 said about corrupt protection of things that have gov protection paid for.

oh,BTW looks like EPA is doing a decent job killing whales with their ocean wind farms. makes good $s for china too. we have to buy a lot of that shit from them since EPA keeps that production dead here.
 
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BurtG said:
...effects of vehicles having much shorter lifespans. Effects of manufacturing parts and the associated costs to continually repair low mile vehicles...
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It's like in 2009 when the auto industry was falling to shit, the libs somehow figured out how to increase demand without making it look like they figured out how to increase demand.
 
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Memberberries said:
Look at you thinking corporations won't rape and pillage our country for profit as soon as they get any opportunity...

And to think trying to protect what's left is why our country is going to die, you really don't understand how the world works
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Why Everything Is Dirtier | Mises Institute

The goal of those who regulate the laundry is not to improve your life. It is to wreck your life a bit at a time by pressing increasing numbers of restrictions
mises.org mises.org

stole this from portajohn. maybe this pediatric gov lover will read it. he won't get it,but....
 
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Memberberries said:
I never said the EPA did a good job, just that without rules everything is gonna be worse
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The issue isn’t the EPA making fines, or slap on wrist, or whatever you guys are going on about.

It’s that a non elected body of government, like the ATF is able to make laws….

It’s a law in some states to smog, its laws for vehicle manufactures adhere to a certain emission standard. But not one of these rules on a federal level have had any congressional approval.
 
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mosin46 said:

Why Everything Is Dirtier | Mises Institute

The goal of those who regulate the laundry is not to improve your life. It is to wreck your life a bit at a time by pressing increasing numbers of restrictions
mises.org mises.org

stole this from portajohn. maybe this pediatric gov lover will read it. he won't get it,but....
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I posted that f er. You need to credit the poster
 
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LeftyJason said:
Justrite 1 Gallon Type II Red Safety Gas Can for Gasoline with Flame Arrester, Self-Closing Lid, and 5/8" Flexible Metal Spout, Made in the USA, Galvanized Steel Flammable Storage Can, 7210120
View attachment 8641951 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003PGRQT...ann_lstpd_SVQWFM3WJ7T05T929KTX&language=en_US
It's a safety can in the ways it matters. 5 gallon version is only $2 more.
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price is shocking and the whole deal is a direct result of EPA being over powerful like the rest of the gov agencies.
 
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LeftyJason said:
Justrite 1 Gallon Type II Red Safety Gas Can for Gasoline with Flame Arrester, Self-Closing Lid, and 5/8" Flexible Metal Spout, Made in the USA, Galvanized Steel Flammable Storage Can, 7210120
View attachment 8641951 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003PGRQT...ann_lstpd_SVQWFM3WJ7T05T929KTX&language=en_US
It's a safety can in the ways it matters. 5 gallon version is only $2 more.
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$130 gas can? Fuck off 😆

Rather buy multiple 5.5 gallon VP style fuel jugs without the logo for near half price the logo cans.
 
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BurtG said:
You should go back to posting less.

Maybe educate yourself about the current emissions mandates , how the air is cleaner after it goes through a new diesel

The effects on the environment of producing etc DEF , effects of vehicles having much shorter lifespans. Effects of manufacturing parts and the associated costs to continually repair low mile vehicles.

Etc
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What is it you're stating about current emissions mandates? That cleaner emissions is a good thing or a bad thing?

Are you implying that the air that goes into a CARB compliant Diesel is combusted and the emissions coming from the pipe are cleaner than the Air that went through the intake?
 
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Darryle said:
If I set myself on fire while using a gas can, I deserve to die


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These used to be about $25, guess they shot up.

Had an ember fly across the yard and perfectly go into a half empty can before I could put the lid back on once, slung that shit out of the barn and magically nothing caught fire. Got it out, and used the rest in a mower😆
 
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