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The real question is, what will the Mil/LEO price be? When you can get a Gen 2 Razor 4-27 for $1300, thats going to be hard to beat.
As good as the Actar, Razor GenII, ect, lol. Thats about as dumb as comparing it to the Athlon, which in my opinihas zero track record. What ever happened to snipershide, proven shit not just hopes for the latest and greatest.
I call bullshit. I just checked the price on that site and you're not even close.
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Oh yeah?
Pretty sure the experticity rules state that you are not to make these prices public. I think vortex is one of the companies where the discount increases the more of their lessons you do. I checked last night as well and my price was not this but I only did 1 lesson.
Oh yeah?
Primus In case you didn't know, Vortex reps are on the Hide, frequently. It's fucking awesome that you scored your telling point, but why don't you delete that post or the screen shot?
That's a good way to get a very nice program taken away. Please refrain from allowing your pride to interfere with this endeavor.
Much appreciated.
I have a somewhat related question: with respect for the ERS 3.5-21, has this scope changed since its introduction in product specs? It looks like the reticle offering has changed, but aside from that, all the same? An improvement over the DMR, then the DMR2 improved the ERS?
crazy Bushy product line, as this scope, HDMR, DMR and H/DMR2 all seem to be same scope body with tweaks.
Sorry about that, went back and edited it out and removed the price. Sorry guys.
The DMR was a scope from a lower price point, the ERS is their next step up from the DMR, and still is supposed to be from the DMRII, but in my opinion the DMRII and the ERS are pretty much the same. The DMRII has lower turrets, and the ERS has a more complicated and probably more robust zero stop. The next iteration of the ERS mentioned in this thread I'm sure will hold the 2k price tag of its current model and be another fine offering from bushnell.
But yes different lines, same bodies, main difference is feature sets.
That is how I read it as well. Thanks. I think Bushnell can take some lessons in product line management. Too many "ERS's" floating around. DMR should be DMR, and probably better to have medium magnification, with a small body, like one would expect from a designated marksman scope. ERS now has old-line 4000 mixed in. No identity. Maybe cancel the entire line. XRS is clearly very long range, and no issue there, but then enter the LTRS and LRS and i or not illuminated, HD or not. Pretty all over the place in terms of brand identity.
It's a shame that the throw lever isn't foldable. I'll stick with my ERS "Gen 1" and the folding switchview throw lever. I do like the big numbers on the turret though.
The lever is on a dovetail. It can be removed very easily. Quite a nice feature. I just don't see how a folding version would be possible and still be mechanically sound.
I look forward to checking one out. I ran an original XRS on loan from George and I really liked it. My only complaint was the glass, to my eye it lacked contrast and sharpness especially in mirage. Despite how anyone feels about Bushnell and their products I'm happy to see this. Bushnell along with others have brought scopes to market at a price point that has allowed more people to participate in this sport.
Does the new xrs have a 56mm objective?
For the brief moment I had with it. It was better than my ERS and LRHS. The glass is a noticeable improvement in all directions for bushnell. The LRHS and DMR II offer very good glass for the money but is still lacking in resolution and color accuracy compared to the ATACR/Gen II razor, and 624i. Mainly because they're still exhibiting some CA. Though it is an improvement over their last gen HDMR/DMR/ERS/XRS.
The only true concern I have with this scope is the eyebox. I'd like to see something more generous than the former ERS/XRS provided. I'm also at this point almost positive that the XRS II and XRS II-i are it. I don't think there will be an ERS II at all. Less they have a plan to price them as the Gen II razors. Which could work, but 2500$ for the XRS II and 2200$ for the ERS II would be more of the same. I think the DMR II effectively fills the role of the old ERS and the XRS II becomes the flagship at 2199$ or so. Undercutting the ATACR and Gen II razors in a similar mag range.
I just checked missy’s Book of face and hers has the G2.....great now I have an EH1 and 30 cal Proof in hand, with a SR3 in the works for a new hunter and bushnell drops this bomb at the same time. #FirstWorldProblems
Missy has a G3 in hers. They're not offering the G2 in the new models, but there's not a lot different between the G2 and G3. The biggest change is the addition of 1.2 mil windage hashes for movers.
Based on what I was told last week, XRS2s should start shipping around the end of November, or early December.