F T/R Competition F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

[Papagrizzly]

I am pleased that the NRA has accepted our suggestion to make the National F-Class Championship be shot only at 1000 Yards.

The following is the course of fire:

Day 1 - 3 x 15 shots at 1000, Individuals

Day 2 - 3 x 15 shots at 1000, Individuals

Day 3 - 2 x 20 shots Team matches at 1000

Day 4 - 2 x 20 shots at 1000, Individuals

This will be effective the next Nationals that are coming up in Raton in Sept. 2012 and all future F-Class National Championships, or until the next change.

See you guys at the range.

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

I'm glad they moved on that. The 600 yard stage was turning into too much of a "trigger pulling" contest.

Darrell

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Guess I'll be the lone voice of dissent then...

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

You would!

 

[Boblor]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

No here is another voice of dissent.
Just who is the "Our" in the "our suggestions". Who else was polled on this decision to drop the 600 yard events. No one to my knowledge was polled at the last F nationals held last Sept. in Lodi.

I disagree that 600 yds is just a trigger pulling event, yes it is easier than 1000 yds but almost everyone has access to practice at 600 yards. That is not true of 1000 yards.

The way I see it, yes 600 is easier so you better be ready to clean it or come as close as you can if you expect to be the F National Champion and that adds match pressure, something that a National Class Shooter has to be able to overcome.

As Monty said on another site, almost everyone has access to a 600 yard range and a 600 yard event should be represented at the F Nationals.

I am disappointed in the decision and more disappointed that to the best of my knowledge extremely few of the classified F shooters were polled about making this change. After all the rest of us pay the same entry fees as whom ever the "our" F class shooters are.

Bob Lorenz

 

[Lowlight]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

I'm gonna dissent because I planned on showing up with my Gladius and smoking the 600 yard stage as my 18.5" barrel would be a bit of a disadvantage at 1000. I figured if I left on a high note, like right after the 600 yards stage I would be good.

Then I found out no suppressor, so I was sunk anyway.

But I am with Monte on this one...

why was I not consulted ?

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Another vote of dissent here as well. As Monte and Boblor mentioned, seems like this is a decision that will exclude a lot of folks that might have shown up if the match included a 600 yd segment. And just out of curiosity, why <span style="font-style: italic">wasn't</span> Lowlight consulted? Are some of those boys afraid of the short sword (LOL)?

 

[USFTR]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

I don't like the change either. This past FCNC was fairly close because the winds weren't that bad at all. I only dropped one point the whole day. However, it isn't always like that! I really don't like that the NRA didn't consult those it would directly impact (or they just consulted a few people). Anyway, I was never asked my opinion.

 

[9sigman45]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Yeah, it's dissapointing that you only hear that a change is being considered after the decision has been made. Politics? Or maybe someone in high places ran the #'s and found that they or one of their buds would have beat Jeff last year if there was no 600 yard match.



Thank goodness speculation is only offensive when it's true ;>).

 

[Papagrizzly]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...

why was I not consulted ? </div></div>

Obviously that was a <span style="font-size: 11pt">HUGE</span> oversight! We need to balance that error by requesting to allow suppressors and brakes

 

[mjh30]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Monte, I see on the WSRPA website, that there will a Washington State F-Class Championship at Rattlesnake this year. Is this match going to be a 1000 yard only match as well. Unfortunately since I live on the wetside the closest range for distance is Machias and thats only 500, big difference going from one to the other. With regards to the original posting, I guess some folks feel they know whats the best for F-Class, lets see a 308 at 1000 versus a 284, hmmmm.

 

[mjh30]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Monte, I see on the WSRPA website, that there will a Washington State F-Class Championship at Rattlesnake this year. Is this match going to be a 1000 yard only match as well. Unfortunately since I live on the wetside the closest range for distance is Machias and thats only 500, big difference going from one to the other. With regards to the original posting, I guess some folks feel they know whats the best for F-Class, lets see a 308 at 1000 versus a 284, hmmmm.

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

the 1000 yard range in PDX is closer than Machias, Tri-County is closer yet (although they only have 600 yards at the moment)

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Marty,

Yes that match @ Rattlesnake is going to be 1k only; we already have a WA state mid-range championship with a healthy F-Class contingent. Depending on where you are on the WA coast, there is 600yd @ Paul Bunyan, Cascade, Tacoma Rifle & Revolver, Upper Nisqually Sportsmans Club... some more often than others, granted. Then 600yds @ Wenatchee & Spokane... but only *one* civilian 1k range in the state. I imagine other states have a similar ratio.

As mentioned elsewhere... I wonder what the honest ratio of matches held - or more accurately, scores turned in for - LR vs. MR looks like? If its what I think it is - at least 50/50 - then eliminating the 600yd stage @ FCNC may be a very, very bad idea. But since it sounds like one person did a 'straw poll' of select individuals and then mysteriously this recommendation made its way to the HP committee less than a month later... it sounds like we're stuck with it for a couple years at the minimum.

The upside... maybe we won't have to worry about 6 relays any more.

<rant>
Here's a novel concept: I think any motions submitted to the HP Committee should be made public, with a RFC (Request For Comment) period so that the *rest* of the members of the affected shooting community have a chance to either lend their support or voice their dissent to various proposals. I think it should also be made public which HP committee members vote for which proposals - that way the shooters - their constituents, so to speak - have some idea who is doing good by them and who ain't. This bullshit of decisions being made in an apparent vacuum and sprung on the shooters after the fact is getting really, really old.
</rant>

YMMV,

Monte

 

[ryanjay11]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

This is going to affect many more shooters negatively than it will positively and I'm sure that it will prove to be a bad decision in the long term. There aren't an abundance of 1000 yard ranges that hold High Power/ F-Class matches. Are all matches shot at less than 1000 yards going to be seen as beneath the realm of real shooting? F-Class Nationals attendance will be the real indication of what effect this has, but I guarantee that it makes it a little less appealing to travel 2/3rds of the way across the country to shoot. This type of ruling is not going to grow F-Class as a sport. It was thought up by shooters that were only thinking of themselves. I would love to hear someone that doesn't have local access to a 1000 yard range state their positive opinion on this.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Ya, what Monte said, only in my voice... louder with more anger and spittle.

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Yer killin' me...

 

[mjh30]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Monte, I dropped the ball and didn't joing Cascade when I should have, their membership is closed until they have a few non-renewals, Eatonville is a drive but worth it since you can shoot there when you want. I will just have to stick with Kenmore and Plantation for the time being and shoot as many matches as possible. I actually thought about going to Raton in September but since its now just a 1000 yard match, well I don't have that much experience shooting at that distance, if the match had been 600 and 1000, I think I would have given it a shot. With regards to your rant, well I think a lot of us have a tendency to agree, thats a major change for the National F-Class Championship, suddenly its a 1000 yard only match. With so many new shooters in a rapidly growing segment of target shooting, I really don't understand why the format of the biggest F-Class match of the year is now changed, perhaps in the future if the NRA wants to change a National Championship format, they poll all the classified F-Class shooters and ask not only their opinion on the proposed change but even ask for their vote.

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Marty,

This year the SOA is immediately before FCNC - two days each of 300, 500, 600, 900 and 300, 500, 600, 1000. So you could go early and get plenty of warm-up rounds down range... that is, unless the NRA decides to revamp the Spirit of America Fullbore Championship with no notice.

Monte

 

[Papagrizzly]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

It isn't necessary for one to be shooting 1000 yards in practice to shoot it at a match. The only time I get to shoot at a 1000 yards is at the Nationals, or a major match, which is probably twice a year, apart from the Nationals. In fact, the only time I shoot 600 yards as well is under the same circumstances.

Everyone knows that the past F-Class Nationals were won or lost at the 1K line and not at 600 yards. Like Larry Bartholome said on Long range, there are not many shooters that travel to the F-Class Nationals specifically to shoot the 600 yards, and if they want to shoot a mid-range Nationals, then go to SOA in Raton, where you get a fill for the mid range course and a chance at a National title.

 

[mjh30]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Shiraz, I don't think thats the point that some of us are getting at. The point is certain individuals went to the NRA high power committee and requested changes to the Nationals, I am not sure how that request was worded but I would certainly like to hear from any and all that competed at Lodi this year and their views on this change. As I mentioned above I honestly think if there are going to be changes to any high power shooting discipline, the committee should at least poll or put the changes to a vote of shooters who are classified in that discipline. .

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<rant>
Here's a novel concept: I think any motions submitted to the HP Committee should be made public, with a RFC (Request For Comment) period so that the *rest* of the members of the affected shooting community have a chance to either lend their support or voice their dissent to various proposals. I think it should also be made public which HP committee members vote for which proposals - that way the shooters - their constituents, so to speak - have some idea who is doing good by them and who ain't. This bullshit of decisions being made in an apparent vacuum and sprung on the shooters after the fact is getting really, really old.
</rant>

</div></div>

That's actually a damn fine idea

 

[Lowlight]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

This decision was made to keep me down,

They heard this was the year, Stormageddon (Dark Lord of All) was coming with a short barreled 308 to smoke the 600 yard line. So out of fear they pulled the relay, which is why they told no one. didn't want to appear helpless.

They'll force me to buid an F Class rifle, longer barrel, zippy caliber, so they can prevent the short barreled embarrassment that was on the horizon.

Blame me, I do..

 

[Zilla]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<rant>
Here's a novel concept: I think any motions submitted to the HP Committee should be made public, with a RFC (Request For Comment) period so that the *rest* of the members of the affected shooting community have a chance to either lend their support or voice their dissent to various proposals. I think it should also be made public which HP committee members vote for which proposals - that way the shooters - their constituents, so to speak - have some idea who is doing good by them and who ain't. This bullshit of decisions being made in an apparent vacuum and sprung on the shooters after the fact is getting really, really old.
</rant>

</div></div>

That's actually a damn fine idea
</div></div>

+1

 

[mjh30]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

Frank, never met you but you are a pretty funny guy at times.

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank, never met you but you are a pretty funny guy at times. </div></div>

Only if you avoid the spittle... :-D

 

[Boblor]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

This 1000 yd F championship change is sounding more and more like a change to attempt to boost the participation at the SOA match.

"If you want to shoot mid range come and shoot the SOA"

"Give the new rule a couple of years" so posted on another site.
Hum, just the same amount of time the F Nationals will be hosted down at Raton. With SOA before the F Nationals each year.

Posted in the past, to paraphrase; The SOA is where you should be this year not the International F match that will be held at Camp Perry this year.

Just sayin...........something don't smell right.

The biggest problem is a very few decided they could just change the game as they see fit without at least polling a majority of F class shooters.

Bob L

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darrell Buell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's actually a damn fine idea
</div></div>

Yeah... its not like they don't have the infrastructure already to get proposed rules changes out to interested parties *after* they've been voted on. They sent out emails and FB posts about the new changes - how hard would it have been to do that *before* hand, with a 2 week comment period? I'm not saying they need to make the system strictly democratic; the committee has to vote as they see fit based on concerns that may not be readily apparent to everyone else. But I think making the proposed changes known, and providing a mechanism so that the committee gets a feel for what the body at large thinks about the proposals, not just some select few who happened to have access to them and twisted their ear at a key moment. They've made some awfully damn unpopular decisions the past few years as a result... now we're stuck with them.

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Papagrizzly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It isn't necessary for one to be shooting 1000 yards in practice to shoot it at a match. The only time I get to shoot at a 1000 yards is at the Nationals, or a major match, which is probably twice a year, apart from the Nationals. In fact, the only time I shoot 600 yards as well is under the same circumstances.</div></div>

Thats not counting your private 800yd range at home, right? Cry me a river.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone knows that the past F-Class Nationals were won or lost at the 1K line and not at 600 yards. </div></div>

So we'll just change the whole match to 1000yds, where the people fortunate enough to be able to afford to drive a 7 magnum with consumable barrels can play. No love for the guys who 11 months out of the year run a 6BR or 6.5x47L @ MR? They can just go to heck, right?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..and if they want to shoot a mid-range Nationals, then go to SOA in Raton, where you get a fill for the mid range course and a chance at a National title. </div></div>

Thats Int'l Fullbore - by the NRA rulebooks, a different discipline. There is no 'mid-range' classification or championships defined for Fullbore.

 

[Va Jim]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Though I think more at 1000 is better I think the way this was done was totally wrong. If there was a idea or a proposal it should have made it out to the people who participate in the matches, NOT A SELECT FEW. It could be through email, facebook or forums. As far as a trigger pulling contest, this years Team match was brutal at 600. Think about this, 5 days at the same yd line if you include a practice day. This said I will still attend Raton this year.

 

[Papagrizzly]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mjh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I mentioned above I honestly think if there are going to be changes to any high power shooting discipline, the committee should at least poll or put the changes to a vote of shooters who are classified in that discipline. . </div></div>

Although sounds great, I will play the devil's advocate and talk about reality.

The High Power Committee consists of people involved in different disciplines of shooting, includes coaches, even a match director. They talk about many, many different issues relating to the various disciplines and come up with solutions or changes only after discussing them. If they took votes from Forums or Classified shooters of each discipline on every single subject that they talk about, I doubt you would have any volunteers left on the committee and then nothing would get done. It is my understanding that the last meeting lasted for 7 hours and not because of this subject. Some decisions we like, some we do not. This is reality.

Monte - its Friday. Time for a chill pill, big guy

 

[ryanjay11]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

What positive effect do you believe that this decision has on the sport of F-Class?

When I first started shooting F-Class, I thought if there were ever going to be problems with the sport growing, it would stem from having to deal with High Power shooters that wouldn't respect F-Class as a discipline. This turned out to be an unfounded concern. The Sling shooters that I have encountered have been very helpful in the growth of F-Class at my local club.

It is ironic that elitists concerned with their own personal gains rather than the sport as a whole are the actual problem. This type of damage can only occur from within. It is obvious that this committee is not a fair representation of the shooting community.

The F-Class National Champion should be the best overall shooter of both Mid Range and Long Range. Eliminating Mid-Range from Nationals before establishing a seperate National Mid-Range Championship is confusing.

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This decision was made to keep me down,

They heard this was the year, Stormageddon (Dark Lord of All) was coming with a short barreled 308 to smoke the 600 yard line. So out of fear they pulled the relay, which is why they told no one. didn't want to appear helpless.

They'll force me to buid an F Class rifle, longer barrel, zippy caliber, so they can prevent the short barreled embarrassment that was on the horizon.

Blame me, I do.. </div></div>

Now that right there is funny. So now you'll have to show up wearing a disguise AND with a regular length barrel (LOL). The horror of it! Clearly a chilling example of the price one pays for having lots of talent and fame.

 

[WillAdams]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Last F Class I signed up for .. the F Class was the ONLY CLASS to show. Turns out it was opening day for hunting in GA and even AMU didn't turn out. Of course that was a few years back. OK, I don't like the fact that a FEW made the choice for MANY. WHO were they ? My choices for NRA sanctioned 1K are more than a few hours drive , Tullahoma, Oak Ridge, etc ... some of the matches close to me (Ft Benning) may or may not happen depending on military. Am almost able to travel to weekend matches and now the 600's are NO GO! That sucks.

 

[Al_Ski]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Your assumption is off base. Check into how the NBRSA proposes and enacts new rules. It can be done where the competitors have a say....

 

[Lowlight]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Here we have Stormageddon <span style="font-style: italic">(Dark Lord of All)</span> Schooling Michele Gallagher on the finer points of Palma and the use of Iron Sights...

So with a little incentive I can come over to the F Class world and give you all tips on what you need to do in order to put them in the black. In between relays I can also sort out your HP Committee. Get them on the straight and narrow path as commanded by Stormy.

Afterwards, all new rules will be filtered through me eliminating any future issues -- Monte.

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here we have Stormageddon <span style="font-style: italic">(Dark Lord of All)</span> Schooling Michele Gallagher on the finer points of Palma and the use of Iron Sights...
</div></div>

Choke! Frank, you owe me a new laptop screen. Mine has been destroyed by high coffee concentration...


Well done, by the way, just look how well Michelle's done after your expert tutelage!

Darrell

 

[mjh30]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Al_ski care to elaborate further on how the NBRSA makes changes.

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Well, I'm pretty sure the black part is 36" in diameter. It would truly be an honor and privilege for me to shoot in a 600 yd match with you in attendance, but I think I've got the black part down already (LOL).

4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center based on the MR-1 target for use at 600 yards. To be pasted over
the MR-1 target.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Aiming Black</span> (inches) Rings in white (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
<span style="color: #FF0000">6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.00</span>

All humor aside, the decision to make Nationals 1000 yd is what it is. Whether I like it or not, I will still try to participate at Raton this year.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

I may do Raton just because I am close... when is it ?

I have an AI with a 20" barrel that will work there.

 

[scaxeman]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I may do Raton just because I am close... when is it ?

</div></div>

Raton this September, starts ~10 September and goes through 20 September. This includes all of SOA, International Teams Match, and F-Class Nationals, in that order.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Okay good, I will look out for it.

 

[Dave inVA]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ryanjay11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What positive effect do you believe that this decision has on the sport of F-Class?

When I first started shooting F-Class, I thought if there were ever going to be problems with the sport growing, it would stem from having to deal with High Power shooters that wouldn't respect F-Class as a discipline. This turned out to be an unfounded concern. The Sling shooters that I have encountered have been very helpful in the growth of F-Class at my local club.

It is ironic that elitists concerned with their own personal gains rather than the sport as a whole are the actual problem. This type of damage can only occur from within. It is obvious that this committee is not a fair representation of the shooting community.

The F-Class National Champion should be the best overall shooter of both Mid Range and Long Range. Eliminating Mid-Range from Nationals before establishing a seperate National Mid-Range Championship is confusing.
</div></div>

<span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">My sentiments EXACTLY, when the NRA should be tying to attract more shooters to the sport by being more inclusive the do just the opposite, but then with only the "BEST" it won't be so crowded on the firing line with out all of those pesky midrange guys.

BY the way, who's brilliant idea was it to ONCE AGAIN change the Visual Signaling System? Most of the non "profesional" shooters has just got used to the last change and here</span> we go again!!

Dave
NRA life member 1977</span>

 

[Jim See]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

I personally think it was a bad idea on the individual matches,
On the team match I fully agree 1000 only.

quite a few guys at Nats this year had shot at 1000, between zero and twice, in there lives. Some of these guys placed in the top 30 and spanked many of the seasoned shooters.

They came because, they new they had one day shooting at 600 which was there comfort zone and could learn something about the range, before stepping it back to 1000.

I had planned on the 2012 Nats, I would like to spend the first day at 600, is this going to stop me from coming, no but I have shot at 1000 plenty. (just not in NM) It might hold up a guy who shoots at only a 600 yard home range.

As far as the team matches, seems these are the top dogs so to speak and they should show there skills. This year at Lodi the scores that were shot at 1000 were trashed and the results were 600 yard scores only. Had both of these relays been 1000 at least a true representation of the best team would have been awarded the gold silver and bronze respectfully.

 

[esromvre]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

PAPAGRIZ..

Something like this sudden change without a Large number of competitors knowing anything about it is pretty much BS... I have to leave this state to do the 1K, I can only do 600y bench-rest here as it is. Not the point either way.

Just think that people should have been informed either way...

I feel that the comity made a bad choice here.. Pretty much all the shooters get the NRA mags. they could have ran a add, than I wouldn't have had a gripe about this. because I would have had a chance to send a email out or something...

I will be at Ratone for the whole 2 weeks. Still hope to see all of you out there... Evan you Jim... Good to see you still on here.

 

[DBailey]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim See</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As far as the team matches, seems these are the top dogs so to speak and they should show there skills. This year at Lodi the scores that were shot at 1000 were trashed and the results were 600 yard scores only. Had both of these relays been 1000 at least a true representation of the best team would have been awarded the gold silver and bronze respectfully. </div></div>

This has got to the point that I feel it's necessary to defend my team mates. I’ve seen these kinds of posts all over the place so it's not just you I'm talking to Jim.
First of all we offered to finish or reschedule the 1000 yard stage of the 2011 FCNC team match. We were told that it couldn't be done. We would have much rather finished the course of fire.
The true representation of the best teams part of this is a load of BS. Are you saying that a good team can only shoot at 1000? If whomever y'all think the best teams were had brought their A game to the 600 yard line that day maybe we wouldn't be having this dilemma. My team mates are dedicated top level shooters and work hard for what they get.

David Bailey
Team Capitan
The Long Shots

 

[falconpilot]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

+1!!! David...

 

[Jim See]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

David, I apologize, rereading it I see where you could be offended but I didn't mean this to be derogatory to YOUR teams particular outcome. Your right all teams shot the same conditions and those who feel jaded should have shot better at 600. We can-not change the events of that day as much as some involved would have liked to. You guys won because you shot the best at 600 yards.

My point being all the hub-bub that day and following days could have been 100% avoided if the team matches were 2 relays at 1000 (Or 3) and not the one at 600 and one at 1000.

I'm not in any way cutting down on the skill of your guys as a team of shooters. What I'm trying to say is Had the first relay been 1000 yards and only that relay counted, every one could have walked away that day, with-out the feeling that someone pissed in their cereal bowl. And for that reason alone I am in favor of team matches being 1000 yard only, I guess I used Lodi as an example because in many peoples minds it was a bit screwed up and it's the freshest example of why that specific rule change is 100% positive.

Now if they come out and say the team match will be same as always with a 600 and 1000. I'm going to say someone really f-ed it up. I say this because if thats the case someday we may have to go thru the same thing repeating itself. And in the end this would just create another controvorsy that could have been avoided.

Logistically the teams wouldn't have to pack up and move yard lines during the day, another advantage.

BUT this is where it dosen't make a lot of sence, to me, on the individual portion of Nats. The 600 yard line is one day with no movement. Many guys home ranges are 600. and giving them there first day of comps at somthing there confident at is a good way to ease into a week of shooting on an unfamiliar range. Small mistakes at 600 won't cost them as many points with all else being equal, and will give them a day to learn and observe the conditions of the range, helping them to be better the following days at 1000.

 

[1KBR]

Re: F-Class Nationals - Only 1000 Yds

Seems I,m in a slightly different position to most. Ive mostly shot 1000yds, but only off a bench with my braked heavy gun (7RSAUM). I,ve built up a mid sized 6.5 to use in F class as my range only shoots Benchrest out to 1000yds (need elevation from bench to clear 600yd line) and F class out to 600yds. I was planning on tagging along with 2 other F Classers from my club but they arent too keen on the 1K only for the Nationals with their 6 Dasher and 6.5x47. They havent shot 1000yds as BR is shot on saturdays (their work days) Looks like they will be using my 1KBR rig without the brake as I cant use mine without a brake due to fused discs in my top few vertabrae.
We will see how the smaller guns go in the SOA and hope conditions are kind in the Nationals.
BTW, not that it will be anything to do with me, but I have been asked, what is the story with prizes at the SOA? Do they have small prizes for each range, or only daily and grand prize?

 

[steve_podleski]

Re: F-Class Nationals will only be at 1000 Yards

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...But I think making the proposed changes known, and providing a mechanism so that the committee gets a feel for what the body at large thinks about the proposals, not just some select few who happened to have access to them and twisted their ear at a key moment. They've made some awfully damn unpopular decisions the past few years as a result... now we're stuck with them. </div></div>It seems that NRA Highpower makes rules based on the influential few or the financially-connected. e.g. dropping the standing requirement for the rapids.