FBI Sniper Rifles
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An interesting thought might be that while being the 'same system' the rollers might only have been hardened to 9mm standards? Because the 'same system' is also used in the HK91/R3. Size, strength, hardness all matter when you add more power. People don't believe how much energy is expended in .40 cal and 10mm.
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The true 10mm packs a lot of punch. The Duty (and Practice Loads) 10mm was under powered by what many people consider the 10mm performance benchmark. It did suppress great. The KAC suppressors that were issued to Snipers really tamed the MP5 10mm.
It is basically .41 magnum. In a different casing. So, yes, potent indeed.
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Back around the turn of the Century, when .357 Sig was gaining momentum with several agencies, there was talk of a .357 sig being produced. I have never seen any official production or met anyone who actually used one.
That would have been a nice setup.
It was the HRT rifles that had the Hart bbls. I've been told they were #7 contours, just like a M40A1 but have never personally handled one.
The rifle with the night scope was a field SWAT rifle and had the Douglas #6, just like the rifle I recently built up from take-off parts.
Right on, did the HRT rifles ever have the A2(?) stock or were those field SWAT rifles?
Lol, feel Free, this thread has become a pretty good reference for FBI long guns in general. I still want to start a thread for HRT and SWAT handguns but haven’t got around to it.
Really couldn't answer that question confidently without asking one of the boys. However, HRT seems to have/try a greater range of things than the SWAT side of the house, so it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they had some A2's or later stocks.
You remind of that older gun expert that Bob Lee and the agent Nick visited in the Tenn hills.
Welllll........
I "do" have family in those TN hills....
But, I look much better than that guy in the movie.. fer sure..
Now, about those paper patched bulletz....
In the blue box on the table....
But can you sing and play better than him?Welllll........
I "do" have family in those TN hills....
But, I look much better than that guy in the movie.. fer sure..
Now, about those paper patched bulletz....
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In the blue box on the table....
I like the old "motor bandit" era law enforcement weapons and have a nice .30 Remington model 81 and an equally nice 1907 Winchester .351 rifle. Both of these rifles were popular with law enforcement back in the day.
Even so, I've always wanted an actual FBI Remington model 81. Last year I won a Remington model 81 at an online auction and believe it is a former FBI rifle.
The biggest tip off is that the FBI ordered their rifles with the Lyman 41 rear peep sight. Because that sight covered the serial number when installed, the FBI had Remington move the manufacturer and serial number lettering on the receiver over to where it is stacked under the model information.
Here is the left side of the receiver on my "civilian" model 81...
And here is the left side of an FBI model 81
And this is the left side of my new Model 81
It has the manufacturer and serial number "stacked" under the model information, which I understand is unique to the model 81's made for the FBI. It also has the Lyman 41 sight, is chambered in .30 Remington and has the "notches" cut in the barrel shroud, where Remington brazed the barrel shroud to the barrel shroud head at the FBI's request.
http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/?page_id=867
Even so, I've always wanted an actual FBI Remington model 81. Last year I won a Remington model 81 at an online auction and believe it is a former FBI rifle.
The biggest tip off is that the FBI ordered their rifles with the Lyman 41 rear peep sight. Because that sight covered the serial number when installed, the FBI had Remington move the manufacturer and serial number lettering on the receiver over to where it is stacked under the model information.
Here is the left side of the receiver on my "civilian" model 81...
And here is the left side of an FBI model 81
And this is the left side of my new Model 81
It has the manufacturer and serial number "stacked" under the model information, which I understand is unique to the model 81's made for the FBI. It also has the Lyman 41 sight, is chambered in .30 Remington and has the "notches" cut in the barrel shroud, where Remington brazed the barrel shroud to the barrel shroud head at the FBI's request.
http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/?page_id=867
I like the old "motor bandit" era law enforcement weapons and have a nice .30 Remington model 81 and an equally nice 1907 Winchester .351 rifle. Both of these rifles were popular with law enforcement back in the day.
Even so, I've always wanted an actual FBI Remington model 81. Last year I won a Remington model 81 at an online auction and believe it is a former FBI rifle.
The biggest tip off is that the FBI ordered their rifles with the Lyman 41 rear peep sight. Because that sight covered the serial number when installed, the FBI had Remington move the manufacturer and serial number lettering on the receiver over to where it is stacked under the model information.
Here is the left side of the receiver on my "civilian" model 81...
And here is the left side of an FBI model 81
And this is the left side of my new Model 81
It has the manufacturer and serial number "stacked" under the model information, which I understand is unique to the model 81's made for the FBI. It also has the Lyman 41 sight, is chambered in .30 Remington and has the "notches" cut in the barrel shroud, where Remington brazed the barrel shroud to the barrel shroud head at the FBI's request.
http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/?page_id=867
Those long mag FBI guns are cool....
very coolI like the old "motor bandit" era law enforcement weapons and have a nice .30 Remington model 81 and an equally nice 1907 Winchester .351 rifle. Both of these rifles were popular with law enforcement back in the day.
Even so, I've always wanted an actual FBI Remington model 81. Last year I won a Remington model 81 at an online auction and believe it is a former FBI rifle.
The biggest tip off is that the FBI ordered their rifles with the Lyman 41 rear peep sight. Because that sight covered the serial number when installed, the FBI had Remington move the manufacturer and serial number lettering on the receiver over to where it is stacked under the model information.
Here is the left side of the receiver on my "civilian" model 81...
And here is the left side of an FBI model 81
And this is the left side of my new Model 81
It has the manufacturer and serial number "stacked" under the model information, which I understand is unique to the model 81's made for the FBI. It also has the Lyman 41 sight, is chambered in .30 Remington and has the "notches" cut in the barrel shroud, where Remington brazed the barrel shroud to the barrel shroud head at the FBI's request.
http://thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com/?page_id=867
Skunk, that action just happened to be clip slotted, none of the duty guns were correct?
Yes, the 6.5Creed I showed used to be built as a M40A1. When the barrel was finally done for, I rebuilt it as a 6.5 "for my wife" and dropped it in the FBI A3 stock. So, that's why you see the clip-slot.
However, for the purposes of this thread it is important to differentiate which FBI rifles we're talking about when clip-slots are mentioned. A FBI SWAT Remington 700 would NOT exhibit a clip-slot, as far as I know. But, a FBI HRT Remington from the same period presumably would be clip-slotted to allow for fitment of the Unertl mount and scope. Additionally, I have personally seen a box of torn down 40X receivers in the Tactical Section gunsmiths' cage, all of which were clip-slotted...
To reiterate, as for FBI sniper rifles, there are differences between SWAT rifles and HRT rifles.
The 40x repeaters were factory clip slotted, were they used as sniper rifles also? I would be curious about the HRT 700 receivers, were they fully clip slotted, (40x cuts and thumb cut on receiver ring) or were they just lug slotted for the mount?
The stock you put the creed in, did HRT ever use them or was that SWAT? Thanks Again!
The stock you put the creed in, did HRT ever use them or was that SWAT? Thanks Again!
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Your questions are exceeding the extent of my knowledge on the subject, but I'm assuming the 40X's were sniper rifles. No FBI Rifle Team....
As for the HRT 700's, my assumption there would be that the receivers were cut right down the street at Wpns Trng Bn where RTE/PWS was/is. So, I would expect the clip-slotting to be identical to that done on M40A1's of the time.
That box of receivers I saw was probably the size of a shoe box or a little bigger. I specifically remember taking note of the fact the receivers were clip-slotted. The one I picked up was a 40X. There were probably 700's mixed in...
Not exactly sure what stocks HRT ever used. The stock I have came from the FBI Boston SWAT team.
Right on, who knows maybe they tried a batch of 40x tacticals or were going to build a rifle based on the 40x and never did. I spoke to a buddy that remembers 40x receivers being transferred from the FBI to RTE /PWS. I’d also think that with how much Corps influence there was on the rifle, and if they did the work at RTE/PWS that they’d do the full clip slot, but the research is 20% the fun, I’ll see what I can find, lol!
The Boston SWAT stock is bad ass! When those stocks would have been fielded would the optic have been a leupold 30mm 3.5-10 with M1 knobs. Or something else. Also what mount, sorry for the questions, just want to make sure when the time comes I get it built right. Lol there’s a cost difference between lug and full clip slotting!
When this stock of mine was fielded, the scope would've been the Vari-X 3.5-10 Tactical, 1" tube, like the one on the Remington I put together. The Mark4 3.5-10x with 30mm tube and M1 knobs didn't show up until the HS Precision rifle came about. As far as I know, as this all pre-dates me.
Refer back to those pics I posted re: mount/rings. Standard twist-in type Leopold or Redfield stuff is what you'll need.
I think if you're gonna build a rifle and have it slotted (lug slot or full chili), you're gonna be looking for a Unertl scope and the Unertl mount. That's a $2K mount these days...
Refer back to those pics I posted re: mount/rings. Standard twist-in type Leopold or Redfield stuff is what you'll need.
I think if you're gonna build a rifle and have it slotted (lug slot or full chili), you're gonna be looking for a Unertl scope and the Unertl mount. That's a $2K mount these days...
I called Hart about the FBI barrels they supplied and they simply refer to them as the Sniper Contour. I also saw an interesting 700 take off barrel, it appears to be a Douglas 7. Just shows they went back to their 2112 days, get what’s available to get the rifle back out in the field!
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Yes, that is correct. The USSS did. I don't know of a time that the FBI utilized them as a SWAT or HRT Sniper Rifle caliber.
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M40a1 FBI Issue looking for information and advice - M40rifle.com
Late 80s early 90s M40a1 FBI Issued. I am not offering it for sale on this site as I know that is not the function of this site. Issued to Special Agent William Christian JR Has all appropriate documentation, in issued condition from the time it left the FBI Gun Vault, has been maintained since...
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I wrote to the OP over on M40rifle.com. Hopefully, he'll post some more pics/info relating to the rifle.
From the pics posted, it looks like an early HRT rifle being that it has the Unertl 10X and mount. If correct, it should have a stainless Hart barrel measuring about .9" at the muzzle.
Also, in the interest of correctness, it's not a M40A1. The FBI never called the rifle that and, except for the scope mount, the rifle really doesn't have any parts commonality with a M40A1. The scope is different, the stock, trigger, bottom metal, and the cut in the receiver for the scope mount is different. Possibly even the manufacturer, material, length and contour of the barrel is different.
I'll look-up the serial number on Tues to see if it was ever owned by the FBI.
From the pics posted, it looks like an early HRT rifle being that it has the Unertl 10X and mount. If correct, it should have a stainless Hart barrel measuring about .9" at the muzzle.
Also, in the interest of correctness, it's not a M40A1. The FBI never called the rifle that and, except for the scope mount, the rifle really doesn't have any parts commonality with a M40A1. The scope is different, the stock, trigger, bottom metal, and the cut in the receiver for the scope mount is different. Possibly even the manufacturer, material, length and contour of the barrel is different.
I'll look-up the serial number on Tues to see if it was ever owned by the FBI.
I put this on M40rifle.com:
I ran the serial number. It was not in any of the asset management systems or firearms qualification tracking. This means the rifle is/was a personally owned weapon SA Christian had built while he was in Quantico and had the right contacts. Like guns I've had built up there, if you source the right parts you can have a gun built just like the one you carry/use/deploy with, whatever.
Long story short, it's a clone. And, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It looks really well done and probably shoots great and comes with some provenance, too.
I ran the serial number. It was not in any of the asset management systems or firearms qualification tracking. This means the rifle is/was a personally owned weapon SA Christian had built while he was in Quantico and had the right contacts. Like guns I've had built up there, if you source the right parts you can have a gun built just like the one you carry/use/deploy with, whatever.
Long story short, it's a clone. And, there's nothing wrong with that at all. It looks really well done and probably shoots great and comes with some provenance, too.
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