F'd up barrel. Problem Found! (fixed) New Gun!!

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

I just can't take it anymore. I know I am about to stick my weenie in a meat grinder with this post but so be it.
Clean guns shoot better than dirty ones. I will grant you the way some people clean guns they are best left dirty. If you think your 22lr is most accurate with up to a couple thousand rounds through the barrel fine. I am sure you are sincere in your conviction but that doesn't mean you aren't sincerely wrong. This is simly a well publicized myth about the 22lr.

 

[ORD]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clean guns shoot better than dirty ones.</div></div>

That is a point for debate until the cows come home, but I'll tell you what isn't...

RIFLES WITH RIFLING IN THE BARRELS SHOOT BETTER THAN RIFLES THAT MANAGE TO GET THROUGH A MFG'S QC CHECKS AND LEAVE THE FACTORY AS F'ED UP AS THE OP'S RIFLE!!!

To the OP, time for that rifle to head back to where you bought it or at least back to Savage directly for replacement.

 

[wksinatl]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: toyfreak</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you can't see rifling.......you have an issue... </div></div>

How about this for a issue!

This took no force what so ever. Dropped right in.

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Cool...chambered on BOTH ends. Did you have to pay extra for that? )

I'd take it back.

Keith

 

[168BTHPM]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just can't take it anymore. I know I am about to stick my weenie in a meat grinder with this post but so be it.
Clean guns shoot better than dirty ones. I will grant you the way some people clean guns they are best left dirty. If you think your 22lr is most accurate with up to a couple thousand rounds through the barrel fine. I am sure you are sincere in your conviction but that doesn't mean you aren't sincerely wrong. This is simly a well publicized myth about the 22lr. </div></div>

It's not a myth it's a fact. Having fired thousands of rounds through .22 rifles in competition I can tell you from first hand experience a freshly cleaned rifle doesn't shoot as well as one with a few rounds through it. My Anschutz takes 7 to 10 rounds after cleaning before it starts to group again, my Remington 37 takes 5 to 7 rounds, my 40-XB prone rifle takes 15 to 18 rounds before it comes around. I have not cleaned the Anschutz I shoot in league in three years, other than to removed the built up lubrication around the face of the bolt and loading ramp. I will not clean it unitl it stops shooting 100/10X in prone. It also takes a few rounds to warm up a cold rifle because the lubrication from the bullets sets up in the bore, once 4 or 5 rounds have been fired they start grouping again.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

obviously if you can see any rifling (neither can i), and the ammo fits in with ease (as there are no lands and grooves for it to be pressed upon) you have to either take it backe to the dealer or contact savage to get it replaced, period.

there's absolutely nothing you can do with it in it's present state, it's "smoothbore rimfire". the reason they call it a rifle is due to the rifling.

in dealing with manufacturer's i've found it's also beneficial to mention advice from the internet forums you've visited asking WTF (put it nicer terms of course). the last thing any manufacturer needs is a bad experience shared on the internet. in this case bad advertising hurts them.

i would contact savage as early as possible on monday to get it sent back. remember to label the box (after wrapping it with brown paper) as "machined parts" when you get the postage insurance.

- actually make savage pay for shipping, to and from.

 

[toyfreak]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

I really hope i dont even half to mess with it, distributer might just give me a new one and send this one back.

i will still be calling savage and the forum will be mentioned.

Thanks for the shipping advice.

And thank you all for the help.

 

[Oodin]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

After you edited your OP my first post seems really stupid

Glad you found the problem, I doubt you'll have much of a problem getting taken care of.

 

[maladat]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">remember to label the box (after wrapping it with brown paper) as "machined parts" when you get the postage insurance.</div></div>

If you do this and your rifle is lost or damaged, the shipping company may cite their shipping agreement and refuse to pay out on the insurance.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

good point, might as well check and see what they say.

i thought the insurance covers for the premium paid regardless if it's a $500.00 rifle or a handful of dirt, i could be wrong. it's been a few years since i had to ship one back or out for some work done to it.

of course if they do lose it, i wouldn't now say "you guys lost my rifle" but "you guys lost my machined parts"

i always felt a little uneasy associating whatever is in the box to a firearm, which in today's world draws more attention to even the most innocent of intentions. plus it keeps curiosity seekers from proding around.

 

[168BTHPM]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

There is nothing wrong with shipping a rifle through the mail, UPS or FedEx Ground, just don't have any markings on the outside of the box that would indicate it is a gun. I would not mislabel or misidentify the contents, some carriers, especially FedEd Ground will do anything they can to avoid paying a damaged or lost item claim.

They will not automatically pay what you insure an item for, you have to prove what the value is (receipt, auction listing, classified listing and method of payment). A lot of people insure the packages for way more than they are worth which is a waste of money. If they paid the amount of insurance for every package there would be a lot of people shipping $500 boxes of dirt and scamming the carriers. Auto insurance is no different, a lot of people buy stated value policies on what they think are classic cars but the policy will also have a clause that says the insurance company will settle at actual cash value up to but not to exceed the stated value.

 

[Erik.300ultra]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

It has been a year or so since I shipped a long gun, but if you go through the US Postal Service the box must be sent Priority Mail, the shipper must tell the clerk it is a firearm, but the box cannot be labeled as so. The last rifle I shipped cost $29 to go to Montana with $500 insurance and delivery conformation.

The local UPS box-it-ship-it store wouldn't ship a firearm, no way no how, so do some calling around before hand!

Good luck with the rifle Toyfreak, Savage will take care of you.

 

[168BTHPM]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Erik.300ultra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The local UPS box-it-ship-it store wouldn't ship a firearm, no way no how, so do some calling around before hand!

Good luck with the rifle Toyfreak, Savage will take care of you. </div></div>

That must be a local thing where you are, the UPS store here will take guns. I had a postal clerk that refused to take a gun one time too, until I got the post master involved.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's not a myth it's a fact. Having fired thousands of rounds through .22 rifles in competition I can tell you from first hand experience a freshly cleaned rifle doesn't shoot as well as one with a few rounds through it. My Anschutz takes 7 to 10 rounds after cleaning before it starts to group again, my Remington 37 takes 5 to 7 rounds, my 40-XB prone rifle takes 15 to 18 rounds before it comes around. I have not cleaned the Anschutz I shoot in league in three years, other than to removed the built up lubrication around the face of the bolt and loading ramp. I will not clean it unitl it stops shooting 100/10X in prone. It also takes a few rounds to warm up a cold rifle because the lubrication from the bullets sets up in the bore, once 4 or 5 rounds have been fired they start grouping again. </div></div>


Thanks for taking what I said completely out of context just to tell me I am wrong. 5-20 shots to foul the barrel is a given. The gun is still essentially clean. Shooting one a couple thousand rounds before cleaning is something else all together. I was not promoting cleaning after every shot. I have a little experience as well and am not inclined to try and argue untenable subjects. I certainly don't want anyone that competes in my game to learn what I know about this subject. As you were.

 

[jeffm]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

The pictue with the entire 22 round in the muzzle should tell you all you need to know. The barrel is out of speck.

 

[shooter65]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

You are putting the bullets in at the wrong end.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: toyfreak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just picked up a mk2 tr. It's my first rimfire that I want to be as accurate as possible. Any special break in procedures forthe barrel or do I just go shoot the hell out of it? (After i get a new gun i can start this part)
Thanks



If you wanna see what this does to accuracy read on!

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[168BTHPM]

Re: Seasoned barrel - break in ??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Thanks for taking what I said completely out of context just to tell me I am wrong. 5-20 shots to foul the barrel is a given. The gun is still essentially clean. Shooting one a couple thousand rounds before cleaning is something else all together. I was not promoting cleaning after every shot. I have a little experience as well and am not inclined to try and argue untenable subjects. I certainly don't want anyone that competes in my game to learn what I know about this subject. As you were. </div></div>

Sorry if I came across and little gruff, we are most likely applying two different stanards of clean and dirty rifles. I am not talking about shooting a gun until it fails to function, then cleaning it. I clean the outside, bolt and breech of my rifles regularly, if the gun is still pounding X's I stay out of the bore. My Anschutz has gone three full seasons of smallbore league (probably 1500 rounds) without having the bore cleaned and it won't get cleaned unless it stops shooting or I am going to use a different kind of ammo. I agree the mechanicals need to be clean, the trigger, extractors, feed ramp and inside the receiver. Centerfire guns shooting copper jacketed ammo and sporter .22's shooting HV copper washed ammo are a different storry, their bores foul and need to be cleaned.

 

[168BTHPM]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shooter65</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are putting the bullets in at the wrong end.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: toyfreak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just picked up a mk2 tr.

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That's funny.

I hope toyfreak gets this fixed and back to the range soon.

 

[George63]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

I read about another barrel that came out without rifling in the last year, cannot remember where - be interesting to know how many things have to screw up during manufacture for this to happen - if I remember the other one was not oversize bore, just smooth

 

[toyfreak]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

Well good news.
I called my awesome dealer/distributer, Gene Sears supply, and they said,"Oh man, sorry for you trouble, bring it back and we will give you another one". They said that we could bore scope the new one too.

So hopefully a few hours from now all will be gtg.

Im still calling Savage just to see what they say.

 

[grevo]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

if you want an easy way to see the bore at the muzzle end take a clean cotten bud (or qtip) and slide it in to the muzzle the white cotten bud will reflect the light of a torch out onto the insde of the bore making it alot easyer to see if theres still fouling there just rember to remove it. works with push through patches for larger cal as well

 

[aggiesig]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

is it a 22 mag? slightly larger barrel dimensions than a .22 LR.

It wouldn't be the first time a guns been sold and the seller/owner didn't pay attention...

 

[toyfreak]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

If that's the case then factory stamped the barrel wrong, labled the box wrong and forgot the rifling.

 

[RicosRevenge]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

Good News on your Dealer stepping up... that is what I thought should be done after reading both pages of this!

Screw calling Savage... send them the pictures you have posted with the captions "WTF??!!" and "QC??!!" along with a link to this thread and a bill for all your ammo.

 

[aggiesig]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: toyfreak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If that's the case then factory stamped the barrel wrong, labled the box wrong and forgot the rifling.</div></div>

stranger things have happened. I've seen a Winchester 70 from the box with no chamber machined, just a barrel blank screwed into the receiver...

you tell me they test fired 3 rounds through the gun as per federal law before they shipped it out =]

 

[cavscout1983]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

Toyfreak- very glad to hear this was resolved and you are now pounding out some MUCH tighter groups.

PM inbound.

 

[Mike Hull]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good News on your Dealer stepping up... that is what I thought should be done after reading both pages of this!

Screw calling Savage... send them the pictures you have posted with the captions "WTF??!!" and "QC??!!" along with a link to this thread and a bill for all your ammo. </div></div>

I agree. Leave Savage out of this and let your local dealer/dist., handle it. Please let us know how it works out.

 

[dogmessiah]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is it a 22 mag? slightly larger barrel dimensions than a .22 LR.

It wouldn't be the first time a guns been sold and the seller/owner didn't pay attention... </div></div>
Not a big enough difference to allow the case to slide down the barrel.

 

[clmayfield]

Re: F'd up barrel. Problem Found!

I am glad this is looking like it will get resolved appropriately. This is just bizarre... they forgot the rifling. How does this get through QC?