I am getting ready to purchase a CZ 452 for use as a trainer and am looking for an affordable FFP MOA/MOA scope. I know some of you will say to run the same scope that's on my main rifle, but I am not dropping 2.5k for a scope on a 22LR. I would like to keep it under 650 which I know is limiting, that's why I'm here.
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Rifle Scopes FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
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Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
If you can live with FFP mil/mil this is the best scope out there in your price range. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
I have two CZ rimfires, a LUX 22LR and an American 22 mag great guns.
If you can live with FFP mil/mil this is the best scope out there in your price range. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
I have two CZ rimfires, a LUX 22LR and an American 22 mag great guns.
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
Other than learning the mil relation formula for ranging, there isn't anything to learn.
What you see is what you get.
Shoot, measure the offset with your reticle and dial the correction.
The only time you need any type of math is if you can't observe the impact and you have to go downrange to spot the holes. Then you just remember that it's 3.6" per mil, per 100 yards.
Other than learning the mil relation formula for ranging, there isn't anything to learn.
What you see is what you get.
Shoot, measure the offset with your reticle and dial the correction.
The only time you need any type of math is if you can't observe the impact and you have to go downrange to spot the holes. Then you just remember that it's 3.6" per mil, per 100 yards.
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
.1 (1/10) mil = 1cm 0r 1/3 of an inch at a hundred 100 yards. Or at least extremely close to that. I think in thirds (1/3moa) instead of quarters (1/4moa) when target shooting at inch grid paper at 100 yards.
1 mil = 1 yard at 1000 yards or 1 meter at 1000 meters
.1 (1/10) mil = 1cm 0r 1/3 of an inch at a hundred 100 yards. Or at least extremely close to that. I think in thirds (1/3moa) instead of quarters (1/4moa) when target shooting at inch grid paper at 100 yards.
1 mil = 1 yard at 1000 yards or 1 meter at 1000 meters
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Contendo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.1 (1/10) mil = 1cm 0r 1/3 of an inch at a hundred 100 yards. Or at least extremely close to that. I think in thirds (1/3moa) instead of quarters (1/4moa) when target shooting at inch grid paper at 100 yards.</div></div>
<span style="font-style: italic">For the record:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">0.1 MIL (1/10th MIL) = .36" at 100 Yards, <span style="color: #FF0000">AND</span> .39" at 100 Meters</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">1 MIL = 1 Yard at 1000 Yards <span style="color: #FF0000">AND</span> 1 Meter at 1000 Meters </span>
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Contendo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.1 (1/10) mil = 1cm 0r 1/3 of an inch at a hundred 100 yards. Or at least extremely close to that. I think in thirds (1/3moa) instead of quarters (1/4moa) when target shooting at inch grid paper at 100 yards.</div></div>
<span style="font-style: italic">For the record:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">0.1 MIL (1/10th MIL) = .36" at 100 Yards, <span style="color: #FF0000">AND</span> .39" at 100 Meters</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">1 MIL = 1 Yard at 1000 Yards <span style="color: #FF0000">AND</span> 1 Meter at 1000 Meters </span>
Keith
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
Ok, real quick. You have shot from 500 yards and you measure your group size to be 5". What is that in mils? To the nearest .1 mil.
Ok, real quick. You have shot from 500 yards and you measure your group size to be 5". What is that in mils? To the nearest .1 mil.
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
OK, real quick. You have shot from 500 yards. Your group size is 5 inches. What is the group size in MOA, to the nearest hundredth of an MOA?
The answer is, no one cares. There isn't any need for speed in calculating group size.
Now, real quick. You have taken a shot from 500 yards. Looking through the scope, you see the shot was 0.3 mils low. How many 0.1 mil clicks do you come up? Well, duh - 3 clicks. Or you could just hold 0.3 mils higher. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">That's</span></span> when you need speed.
Now, as long as the reticle and the scope adjustments are in the same system, it doesn't make any difference what that system is, but there are a lot more scopes with milliradian-based reticles than MOA or IPHY.
OK, real quick. You have shot from 500 yards. Your group size is 5 inches. What is the group size in MOA, to the nearest hundredth of an MOA?
The answer is, no one cares. There isn't any need for speed in calculating group size.
Now, real quick. You have taken a shot from 500 yards. Looking through the scope, you see the shot was 0.3 mils low. How many 0.1 mil clicks do you come up? Well, duh - 3 clicks. Or you could just hold 0.3 mils higher. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">That's</span></span> when you need speed.
Now, as long as the reticle and the scope adjustments are in the same system, it doesn't make any difference what that system is, but there are a lot more scopes with milliradian-based reticles than MOA or IPHY.
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Dog Dundee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can live with FFP mil/mil this is the best scope out there in your price range. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
I have two CZ rimfires, a LUX 22LR and an American 22 mag great guns. </div></div>
Buy this scope, shoot a lot with it, use the reticle to make your adjustments, use the reticle and the knobs, your clinging to a system you think you understand, I made the same mistake, please don't repeat it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Dog Dundee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can live with FFP mil/mil this is the best scope out there in your price range. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx
I have two CZ rimfires, a LUX 22LR and an American 22 mag great guns. </div></div>
Buy this scope, shoot a lot with it, use the reticle to make your adjustments, use the reticle and the knobs, your clinging to a system you think you understand, I made the same mistake, please don't repeat it.
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
The Falcon 4-14FFP mil/mil has served me well on my rimfires. I prefer something with 0.5 mil ticks over a standard mildot...
The Falcon 4-14FFP mil/mil has served me well on my rimfires. I prefer something with 0.5 mil ticks over a standard mildot...
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
With your guys advise I've decided to order a Vortex Solo to practice with. Figure it should help me out as I can use it pretty much anywhere. Once I'm proficient at ranging (the math in my head) with it I'll get a spotter and the .22 scope and go from there.
Thanks for the help
With your guys advise I've decided to order a Vortex Solo to practice with. Figure it should help me out as I can use it pretty much anywhere. Once I'm proficient at ranging (the math in my head) with it I'll get a spotter and the .22 scope and go from there.
Thanks for the help
Re: FFP MOA/MOA scope for .22 Trainer
I feel the Bushnell would be a great way to go. The Vortex Viper would be another great way to go. You can make a MIL RET read in MOA, you will need to back the power down some, when you see the MIL Line or Dot read 4moa mark the power ring. Now you can do MIL or MOA.
I went with a Bushnell TACTICAL.
Mike @ CST
I feel the Bushnell would be a great way to go. The Vortex Viper would be another great way to go. You can make a MIL RET read in MOA, you will need to back the power down some, when you see the MIL Line or Dot read 4moa mark the power ring. Now you can do MIL or MOA.
I went with a Bushnell TACTICAL.
Mike @ CST
