Figuring Target MOA?

[Samuel Whittemore]

Being a redneck at heart --I don't care much for numbers ("Math?? -- What's math? LOL) but a friend says I need to up my game here if I want to get good. Instead of "Just try'n a'make those little small holes closer to each other" like I do... He says "I gotta figure shit out."

Is my math right here in doing MOA calculations for my work up load?

 

[Near miss]

I think mil is better

 

[Samuel Whittemore]

I think mil is better

I know. My scope is in Mil why he wants me to figure this out in MOA --I think is more for his benefit

But how do I figure it in mil?

 

[Halfnutz]

Easy button:

https://www.ballistic-x.com/

Math looks ok except for the one you didn't show the bullet dia.

 

[Near miss]

At 100yds 1 inch is 0.95moa

From top to bottom, left to right:
1st 1.61moa
2nd 1.14moa
3rd 0.61moa
4th 1.4moa
5th 0.9moa

Average 1.132moa

 

[Near miss]

I am an european and I measure and tell my accuracy in minutes, just because 1moa has been the "de facto" standard in rifle lingo in internet forums.

1moa is pretty much 0.3mil (0.29), but since most I shoot with are quite fluent with both I use either one.

But it is just mind boggling how you rednecks have gotten around to brainwash me from thousands of KILOMETERS away

 

[Conaso]

Mils x 3.438 = MOA
MOA / 3.438 = Mils

 

[Klemm]

So what is the formula to convert inches to MOA
So I shoot a group with my 308. It measures .68 Center to center.
What is that in MOA.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

So what is the formula to convert inches to MOA
So I shoot a group with my 308. It measures .68 Center to center.
What is that in MOA.

If you are being that precise multiply group in inches ×.955 then divide by range in hundreds to get MOA.
At 100 yards:
1.047" x .955 = .999885 ÷ 1 = .999885 MOA
At 600 yards:
5" × .955 = 4.775 ÷ 6 = .795 MOA
12" x .955 = 11.46 ÷ 6 = 1.91 MOA

If shot at 100 yards .68" x .955 = .6766 MOA

 

[gunsnjeeps]

For the OP target:
15/16" = .9375 -.308 = .6295 x .955 = .601 MOA

 

[308pirate]

I am an european and I measure and tell my accuracy in minutes, just because 1moa has been the "de facto" standard in rifle lingo in internet forums.

1moa is pretty much 0.3mil (0.29), but since most I shoot with are quite fluent with both I use either one.

But it is just mind boggling how you rednecks have gotten around to brainwash me from thousands of KILOMETERS away

 

[Steel head]

At 100yds 1 inch is 0.95moa

From top to bottom, left to right:
1st 1.61moa
2nd 1.14moa
3rd 0.61moa
4th 1.4moa
5th 0.9moa

Average 1.132moa

A .329 mil average sounds so much better!

 

[Near miss]

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Yeah, but NASA adopted metrics and is now at Mars. After one crash related to a part that was made using inches.

Coincidence? I do not think so.

 

[308pirate]

Yeah, but NASA adopted metrics and is now at Mars. After one crash related to a part that was made using inches.

Coincidence? I do not think so.

Yes, it is a coincidence whether you think so or not.

We would have gone to Mars using decimal inches just fine. And nobody else has still been willing and able to go to the moon (a chip shot) in the 49 years since we last went.

Our nuclear submarines (machines every bit as complex and technologically advanced as any spacecraft) are designed and built using the not metric system. They work just fine.

Point is, aside from conversion convenience, the metric system has no inherent advantages over the US standard system of measures.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Yeah, but NASA adopted metrics and is now at Mars. After one crash related to a part that was made using inches.

Coincidence? I do not think so.

Someone didn't catch the fact that two engineers were working in different measuring systems. If there was only one standard being used it wouldn't have happened.

 

[1moaoff]

I am now using mil for group size. However I will not state that again.
1/3" is roughly. 1 mil so now my rifles all shoot sub .3 and a few sub .1. Take that benchrest guys

 

[gunsnjeeps]

I am now using mil for group size. However I will not state that again.
1/3" is roughly. 1 mil so now my rifles all shoot sub .3 and a few sub .1. Take that benchrest guys

Are changing your name to .333miloff?

 

[Mike Casselton]

Someone didn't catch the fact that two engineers were working in different measuring systems. If there was only one standard being used it wouldn't have happened.

Sounds like a communication error, not an issue of inches and millimeters.
Maybe they shoulda used the same playbook.

Base 10 is easy, but I can still picture things in inches, feet, yards, etc...

My brain wants to convert metric to American.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Sounds like a communication error, not an issue of inches and millimeters.
Maybe they shoulda used the same playbook.

Base 10 is easy, but I can still picture things in inches, feet, yards, etc...

My brain wants to convert metric to American.

When I'm in Spain I can do metric conversion fairly quick for distance and volume. I don't see MIL as metric it's a ratio. I use MOA since I've been using it for so long. I'm waiting for some one to take me up on the challenge "that I'll use MIL when someone makes NM iron sights". I'd have to replace a few scopes then.

 

[gunsnjeeps]

Sounds like a communication error, not an issue of inches and millimeters.
Maybe they shoulda used the same playbook.

Base 10 is easy, but I can still picture things in inches, feet, yards, etc...

My brain wants to convert metric to American.

If I recall, ground radar was US, throttle was metric. Engine cutout was well above ground.

 

[308pirate]

I know. My scope is in Mil why he wants me to figure this out in MOA --I think is more for his benefit

But how do I figure it in mil?

1 milliradian equals

• 3.43 minutes of arc
• 3.6 inches per 100 yards

 

[nutation]

Point is, aside from conversion convenience, the metric system has no inherent advantages over the US standard system of measures.

I can think of one advantage - mass and volume is standardized to water: 1 milliliter = 1 cubic centimeter = 1 gram of water.

 

[LeftyJason]

Someone didn't catch the fact that two engineers were working in different measuring systems. If there was only one standard being used it wouldn't have happened.

xkcd: Standards

m.xkcd.com

 

[gunsnjeeps]

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xkcd: Standards

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Sounds like Standard Engineering Practices. I have worked with a couple of good engineers and one that I have to go out and troubleshoot interlock switches on moving antennas for.