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I like it. But I think it is only part of the problem. Col. Dave Grossman has excellent additional insight laid out in his book "On Killing"
Our culture has positively reinforced the idea of high body counts in our movies, and video games while sparing the shooter the emotional trauma normally and naturally associated taking a life. Video simulators were designed as training tools for our combat forces, and they were very effective.
For the sake of profit, those video simulators were modified into games for a civilian market. This has trained civilians to handle small arms effectively in close quarters. After a few weeks or months of video simulation, actual recoil management can be learned in just a few minutes.
Col. Grossmans' book is an easy read and worth the time. He does a much better job explaining this than I do in these few sentences.
I believe these insights should be used by congress also, but I'm uncertain how. I'm not an advocate for additional legislation.
Our culture has positively reinforced the idea of high body counts in our movies, and video games while sparing the shooter the emotional trauma normally and naturally associated taking a life. Video simulators were designed as training tools for our combat forces, and they were very effective.
For the sake of profit, those video simulators were modified into games for a civilian market. This has trained civilians to handle small arms effectively in close quarters. After a few weeks or months of video simulation, actual recoil management can be learned in just a few minutes.
Col. Grossmans' book is an easy read and worth the time. He does a much better job explaining this than I do in these few sentences.
I believe these insights should be used by congress also, but I'm uncertain how. I'm not an advocate for additional legislation.
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They can.
I probably shouldn't have jumped into this as my first post, but I did.
I really haven't finished lurking, but figured it'd be ok to post on a political topic.
I probably shouldn't have jumped into this as my first post, but I did.
I really haven't finished lurking, but figured it'd be ok to post on a political topic.
once the government has your health records you are screwed. Screwed because then they can keep you from owning firearms, voting, owning heavy equipment (ie. cars/truck), making certain purchases. This bill is a band aid not a cure. Do away with gun free zones. These mentally ill cowards go to places that they know are gun free. The government having your medical records and police getting more training will not stop anything. Anyone who tells you different is living in fantasy land.
I read Col. Grossman's "On Killing" in 1999, when I was a sophomore in high school. By some small miracle, I found it by accident in the school library's nonfiction shelves.
Great, great book.
And I'm sorry, a bunch of hours playing MW2/3 or BF3/4 doesn't make somebody a Tier One CombatReconRangerDeltaSeal with a Mk18.
Great, great book.
And I'm sorry, a bunch of hours playing MW2/3 or BF3/4 doesn't make somebody a Tier One CombatReconRangerDeltaSeal with a Mk18.
Making someone a tier one operator wasn't what the Col. claimed. Nor was it my point. My point was: there are other contributing factors beyond psychtropic pharmaceuticals involved.
(As an interesting aside. Big Pharma has no real interest in "healing" anyone. They want/need everyone sick enough to be on meds and well enough to go to work and pay the bills. Once someone is on a psychtropic "med" BP never wants you off. It's a lifetime prescription. just go visit the nice doctor every now and then for an "adjustment".)
Longarm is absolutely correct in all three of the points he makes. .Gov having more medical records is not going to help. Gun free zones don't help, more training for the popo won't help.
On second thought, I revise my earlier statement. I don't like the newly proposed legislation. It wont help either. I can see it now; sending everyone thru a med scan at some point in their life to determine their "psychiatric state" and labeling them for life is going to be the eventual result of this type of thinking. It won't help.
I do kinda like that someone is actually looking at something other than "guns are the problem."
Right, and spoons made Rosy O'Donnell fat.
The cultural decay the U.S is going thru, started many years ago, and will take many years to repair.
Since the video focused on preventing mass shootings, I wanted to add one thing. I think we are at the point where we need police officers in schools. I work in a building that is guarded by our State Patrol and really don't understand why we can't offer the same courtesy to our children.
It's a win-win for more gun control, cut back on mental health spending, body count goes up, more cries for gun bans. Uh oh I may be on thin ice here......
Nearly every psychologist and therapist I have met are raging liberals and would love to have such power. How do we improve mental health treatment? Do we leave it up to the psychologists and therapists or the politicians? What does the pubic want us to do? Report those that need reporting? We already do that. Granted, there are several cases where individuals need an immediate involuntary commitment but then we have to worry about litigation. If I legally commit a person and lose a law suit, I can loose everything. Lawyers are not the problem, it is the juries. More psychologists with the power to remove a person's firearms means gun control by proxy. Increasing funding for mental health means just that, more exposure to liberal psych providers. I have heard people say we need more psych hospitals but we already struggle with costs due to insurance. We have to keep our local facilities full in order to pay the employees. Government funded facilities means an increase in taxes which is off the table. Then we get into government spending issues. This conversation can go on ad infinitum. The truth is, society as a whole has lost it's morality and the only answer is parallel to what we already know; you are responsible for your own defense. We all say we need more police but then complain about the increasing police state. If we put more police in schools, it will not be long before the police do their job and arrest the degenerates. Then we have to hear about an over arching police force imprisoning our children. The reality of the world is, evil is winning.
there is a lot more to it than just the mental health issue.. Its a substance issue as well there are so many mind altering drugs that are just thrown at people for an easy fix and these drugs can and do have horrifying affects. my feelings on this matter are divided. should you not be able to purchase or own a gun while on certain drugs? But have the ability to buy and own again once you are off of them? should certain mental illness exclude you from owning a gun ever like schizophrenia? severe bipolar? But than where does P.T.S. fall in? so many questions. Its not the guns that are the issue its always been the people..
TRUE!!
I was archery hunting behind my Father's house and downed a huge doe that I couldn't get into the back of my truck by myself. Woke my 17 year old, Call of Duty, etc. game playing, half-brother up to help.
The reaction when he walked around the truck and saw the deer was priceless!! Under extreme protest, he finally grabbed the two back legs but couldn't even look at the animal.
Big difference between video and life.
BTW, started playing Ghost Recon with my troops in Iraq and must admit: It has made the ultimate killer sniper that I am today.
I know...and I know.
First half of my post was commending the book, the second half was referring to anybody that claimed video games are a cause of this kind of stupidity, or beneficial for somebody learning to handle a firearm.
In my opinion airsoft is much more dangerous than video games. Ever see a group of kids playing airsoft? A bunch of kids in camo playing with guns that look real enough to rob a bank with. Guns are not toys. Teaching kids that an m4 or a g17 is something you play with is bad IMO. Its something that causes very conflicting emotions in me, it looks fun as hell. Combined with a parent teaching these kids proper gun safety it might just save a lot of kids lives though.
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