Hi Guys,At what point do I have to get fingerprinted and signed off by my local PD to buy a suppressor,question what happens if my local PD is a jerk and wont sign off for me for some reason,the reason im asking is because I dont want to pay for a suppressor and then run into any problems..
Suppressors Fingerprints
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Usually, you purchase the item (choose and pay), then the paperwork will start. Your dealer should walk you through the process, which isn't difficult. You should be provided with forms from your dealer, who may or may not fill them out for you (pdf online), then after you sign and date the form 4, you take it and your fingerprint cards to the Sheriff for completion.
You can do an online search to determine if your Sheriff is friendly, or you can just ask your dealer; after all, he does this for a living and has his finger on the pulse (or ought to). If he isn't, you can always transfer to a corporation or a trust. Ask your dealer about this, too.
Usually, you purchase the item (choose and pay), then the paperwork will start. Your dealer should walk you through the process, which isn't difficult. You should be provided with forms from your dealer, who may or may not fill them out for you (pdf online), then after you sign and date the form 4, you take it and your fingerprint cards to the Sheriff for completion.
You can do an online search to determine if your Sheriff is friendly, or you can just ask your dealer; after all, he does this for a living and has his finger on the pulse (or ought to). If he isn't, you can always transfer to a corporation or a trust. Ask your dealer about this, too.
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As Ben suggested. Find out prior to any money changing hands. You can get it done-but it is a matter of time. Nothing is short at the present time but if you need to do a trust or LLC it may take a while to get it done correctly. Your dealer SHOULD have the answer if he/she is local.
As Ben suggested. Find out prior to any money changing hands. You can get it done-but it is a matter of time. Nothing is short at the present time but if you need to do a trust or LLC it may take a while to get it done correctly. Your dealer SHOULD have the answer if he/she is local.
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Location, location, location! Just drop be the sheriff's office and let him know what your doing and ask him if he is willing to sign the paper work before you pay.
Location, location, location! Just drop be the sheriff's office and let him know what your doing and ask him if he is willing to sign the paper work before you pay.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nevada Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Guys,At what point do I have to get fingerprinted and signed off by my local PD to buy a suppressor,question what happens if my local PD is a jerk and wont sign off for me for some reason,the reason im asking is because I dont want to pay for a suppressor and then run into any problems.. </div></div>
i guess some dealers are different, but my dealer went like this
1. decide on model and pay in full
2. dealer orders model and form 3 starts
3. item arrives at dealer and form 4 starts. this is where you need the fingerprint cards etc.
The "trust route" does not require the CLEO sign off, pictures, and fingerprint card.
I went with the trust route due to me not wanting to deal with that hassle, and more importantly, I wanted to have the ability to have a couple people possess it without me around. That allows me to have a storage location that isn't in my house if necessary, and covers me if my fiance is in the house with the item and im not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nevada Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Guys,At what point do I have to get fingerprinted and signed off by my local PD to buy a suppressor,question what happens if my local PD is a jerk and wont sign off for me for some reason,the reason im asking is because I dont want to pay for a suppressor and then run into any problems.. </div></div>
i guess some dealers are different, but my dealer went like this
1. decide on model and pay in full
2. dealer orders model and form 3 starts
3. item arrives at dealer and form 4 starts. this is where you need the fingerprint cards etc.
The "trust route" does not require the CLEO sign off, pictures, and fingerprint card.
I went with the trust route due to me not wanting to deal with that hassle, and more importantly, I wanted to have the ability to have a couple people possess it without me around. That allows me to have a storage location that isn't in my house if necessary, and covers me if my fiance is in the house with the item and im not.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I went with the trust route due to me not wanting to deal with that hassle, and more importantly, I wanted to have the ability to have a couple people possess it without me around. <span style="font-weight: bold">That allows me to have a storage location that isn't in my house if necessary</span>, and covers me if my fiance is in the house with the item and im not. </div></div>
Actually as long as it is in a locked box that only the individual has access to, then you're ok. I'll post a link to the ATF FAQ page that had this question if I can find it again.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#conversion-parts-registration
Q: If an individual is changing his or her State of residence and the individual’s application to transport the NFA firearm cannot be approved because of a prohibition in the new State, what options does a lawful possessor have?
NFA firearms may be left in a safe deposit box in his or her former State of residence. Also, the firearm could be left or stored in the former State of residence at the house of a friend or relative in a locked room or container to which only the registered owner has a key. The friend or relative should be supplied with a copy of the registration forms and a letter from the owner authorizing storage of the firearm at that location.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I went with the trust route due to me not wanting to deal with that hassle, and more importantly, I wanted to have the ability to have a couple people possess it without me around. <span style="font-weight: bold">That allows me to have a storage location that isn't in my house if necessary</span>, and covers me if my fiance is in the house with the item and im not. </div></div>
Actually as long as it is in a locked box that only the individual has access to, then you're ok. I'll post a link to the ATF FAQ page that had this question if I can find it again.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#conversion-parts-registration
Q: If an individual is changing his or her State of residence and the individual’s application to transport the NFA firearm cannot be approved because of a prohibition in the new State, what options does a lawful possessor have?
NFA firearms may be left in a safe deposit box in his or her former State of residence. Also, the firearm could be left or stored in the former State of residence at the house of a friend or relative in a locked room or container to which only the registered owner has a key. The friend or relative should be supplied with a copy of the registration forms and a letter from the owner authorizing storage of the firearm at that location.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I went with the trust route due to me not wanting to deal with that hassle, and more importantly, I wanted to have the ability to have a couple people possess it without me around. <span style="font-weight: bold">That allows me to have a storage location that isn't in my house if necessary</span>, and covers me if my fiance is in the house with the item and im not. </div></div>
Actually as long as it is in a locked box that only the individual has access to, then you're ok. I'll post a link to the ATF FAQ page that had this question if I can find it again.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#conversion-parts-registration
Q: If an individual is changing his or her State of residence and the individual’s application to transport the NFA firearm cannot be approved because of a prohibition in the new State, what options does a lawful possessor have?
hmm, thats good to know, but this way its just kind of one step farther. with it, in the same box will be a copy of the trust and a copy of the stamp.
NFA firearms may be left in a safe deposit box in his or her former State of residence. Also, the firearm could be left or stored in the former State of residence at the house of a friend or relative in a locked room or container to which only the registered owner has a key. The friend or relative should be supplied with a copy of the registration forms and a letter from the owner authorizing storage of the firearm at that location.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doogie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Raider1v1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I went with the trust route due to me not wanting to deal with that hassle, and more importantly, I wanted to have the ability to have a couple people possess it without me around. <span style="font-weight: bold">That allows me to have a storage location that isn't in my house if necessary</span>, and covers me if my fiance is in the house with the item and im not. </div></div>
Actually as long as it is in a locked box that only the individual has access to, then you're ok. I'll post a link to the ATF FAQ page that had this question if I can find it again.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#conversion-parts-registration
Q: If an individual is changing his or her State of residence and the individual’s application to transport the NFA firearm cannot be approved because of a prohibition in the new State, what options does a lawful possessor have?
hmm, thats good to know, but this way its just kind of one step farther. with it, in the same box will be a copy of the trust and a copy of the stamp.
NFA firearms may be left in a safe deposit box in his or her former State of residence. Also, the firearm could be left or stored in the former State of residence at the house of a friend or relative in a locked room or container to which only the registered owner has a key. The friend or relative should be supplied with a copy of the registration forms and a letter from the owner authorizing storage of the firearm at that location.
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Does the law enforcement agency have to be the one in the county in which you reside? A search by any law enforcement agency would yield the same results, would it not?
Does the law enforcement agency have to be the one in the county in which you reside? A search by any law enforcement agency would yield the same results, would it not?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the law enforcement agency have to be the one in the county in which you reside? A search by any law enforcement agency would yield the same results, would it not?</div></div>
I was wondering the same thing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the law enforcement agency have to be the one in the county in which you reside? A search by any law enforcement agency would yield the same results, would it not?</div></div>
I was wondering the same thing
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the law enforcement agency have to be the one in the county in which you reside? A search by any law enforcement agency would yield the same results, would it not? </div></div>
Yes it does. The CLEO signing off has to have jurisdiction over where you live. However, if you live in a municipality this should give you two options. The city police chief and if he won't do it then the county sheriff.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killer Spade 13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does the law enforcement agency have to be the one in the county in which you reside? A search by any law enforcement agency would yield the same results, would it not? </div></div>
Yes it does. The CLEO signing off has to have jurisdiction over where you live. However, if you live in a municipality this should give you two options. The city police chief and if he won't do it then the county sheriff.
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I've never lived in Georgia except army training. But I'm venturing a guess that you are still on a city and county structure. So regardless of the city size, you still only have one Police Chief of the city and one sheriff of the county. Now keep in mind in a larger dept the chief probably has designated the authority for signing these forms to a specific lower level supervisor. I would guess in Atlanta they should be familiar with these forms.
I've never lived in Georgia except army training. But I'm venturing a guess that you are still on a city and county structure. So regardless of the city size, you still only have one Police Chief of the city and one sheriff of the county. Now keep in mind in a larger dept the chief probably has designated the authority for signing these forms to a specific lower level supervisor. I would guess in Atlanta they should be familiar with these forms.
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I don't understand "if he is a jerk or not willing to sign", the CLEO's signature is NOT his authorization, it is simply him signing to prove that he has been notified what you are doing, not his approval! So the worse he could do I he is some asshole is dely or take his sweet time signing it, I don't believe he can refuse to sign without warranted reasoning, such as you are under investigation or pending trial or some such in his jurisdiction
I don't understand "if he is a jerk or not willing to sign", the CLEO's signature is NOT his authorization, it is simply him signing to prove that he has been notified what you are doing, not his approval! So the worse he could do I he is some asshole is dely or take his sweet time signing it, I don't believe he can refuse to sign without warranted reasoning, such as you are under investigation or pending trial or some such in his jurisdiction
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If i'm not mistaken I believe the CLEO is signing off on that he is the CLEO of your jurisdiction and he is verifying that he is not aware of anything which would make it illegal for you to own whatever it is you are transferring. Basically it is a local background check on top of whatever check the feds will do.
Keep in mind alot of CLEO's are not gun guys and be prepared to respectfully explain exactly what it is you need. I wouldn't stress about the guy being a "jerk or not willing to sign" until after I met with him.
If i'm not mistaken I believe the CLEO is signing off on that he is the CLEO of your jurisdiction and he is verifying that he is not aware of anything which would make it illegal for you to own whatever it is you are transferring. Basically it is a local background check on top of whatever check the feds will do.
Keep in mind alot of CLEO's are not gun guys and be prepared to respectfully explain exactly what it is you need. I wouldn't stress about the guy being a "jerk or not willing to sign" until after I met with him.
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That was my understanding as well, that they are doing a local background check. For me it went from having the local sheriff sign off to then having to get a state background check done before the local sheriff would sign off the form 4. The process became a bit of a pain, thus I switched to the trust route. Also it looks like you can have the state or local DA or prosecutor sign off on it (ATF link I posted before). But I've never hear of someone going that route, but that may be because they don't need too where I live.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Q: What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?</span>
As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases.
[27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85]
That was my understanding as well, that they are doing a local background check. For me it went from having the local sheriff sign off to then having to get a state background check done before the local sheriff would sign off the form 4. The process became a bit of a pain, thus I switched to the trust route. Also it looks like you can have the state or local DA or prosecutor sign off on it (ATF link I posted before). But I've never hear of someone going that route, but that may be because they don't need too where I live.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Q: What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?</span>
As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases.
[27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand "if he is a jerk or not willing to sign", the CLEO's signature is NOT his authorization, it is simply him signing to prove that he has been notified what you are doing, not his approval! So the worse he could do I he is some asshole is dely or take his sweet time signing it, I don't believe he can refuse to sign without warranted reasoning, such as you are under investigation or pending trial or some such in his jurisdiction </div></div>
Actually, he IS signing off on your paperwork. He is stating he is the Chief LEO in your county. You have to get them to sign it or your dead in the water. You can go the trust route as another option. They can refuse to sign anything they want....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand "if he is a jerk or not willing to sign", the CLEO's signature is NOT his authorization, it is simply him signing to prove that he has been notified what you are doing, not his approval! So the worse he could do I he is some asshole is dely or take his sweet time signing it, I don't believe he can refuse to sign without warranted reasoning, such as you are under investigation or pending trial or some such in his jurisdiction </div></div>
Actually, he IS signing off on your paperwork. He is stating he is the Chief LEO in your county. You have to get them to sign it or your dead in the water. You can go the trust route as another option. They can refuse to sign anything they want....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand "if he is a jerk or not willing to sign", the CLEO's signature is NOT his authorization, it is simply him signing to prove that he has been notified what you are doing, not his approval! So the worse he could do I he is some asshole is dely or take his sweet time signing it, I don't believe he can refuse to sign without warranted reasoning, such as you are under investigation or pending trial or some such in his jurisdiction</div></div>
I have been refused signoff many times. So have many others. There is no law or administrative rule that forces them to sign.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand "if he is a jerk or not willing to sign", the CLEO's signature is NOT his authorization, it is simply him signing to prove that he has been notified what you are doing, not his approval! So the worse he could do I he is some asshole is dely or take his sweet time signing it, I don't believe he can refuse to sign without warranted reasoning, such as you are under investigation or pending trial or some such in his jurisdiction</div></div>
I have been refused signoff many times. So have many others. There is no law or administrative rule that forces them to sign.
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