Firing squad this Friday?
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Washington state allows the condemned to choose hanging as execution method and interestingly enough, up until 1994, every one of them were hanged, yet injection was an option from roughly the 1970s. Seems even the perps prefer that option?
I didn't listen to the video, nor do I know much about the case. I did read that he killed his GF or Ex-GF parents. I don't know the circumstances for it, but I have an ex wife and I can understand it. I don't condone it, but I understand it. On top of that, this is the same justice system that has Trump listed as a Felon. Cheer it on fellas! I can't stand criminals, and ok with killing them all, but I also can't stand hearing about DAs with over a 90% conviction rate. I'd have to see a lot more evidence before I join the crowd cheering about killing a man. Maybe he does deserve the wood chipper.....?????????
Who wouldn't? What would you choose? Being tortured by the last 2 chemicals of a lethal injection that is a living nightmare? Or a long drop hanging that kills you just as fast and in the same way as a decapitation by severing the spinal cord separating the brain from the body?
Any Faces Of Death fans? Yeah, I know it's fake, but hey that's what was fun about those movies is figuring out which was real or fake!
Well, the problem these days with the "chair" and the "Cyanide" chamber is that the body is no loner available for "organ donations," which is a big thing now. With lethal injection, corneas can be donated and perhaps other organs if they start faux CPR right away (i.e. just keep the organs alive until they can get to the transplant teams). I recall when Velma Barfield was executed in Raleigh NC, they carried her body in an ambulance "Code 3"and used CPR just to keep the circulation going in the organs so that they stayed "fresh." You might get a "cornea" harvest on a Firing Squad but definitely not a heart transplant (and I suspect not a lung transplant either).
That, and I think the public would freak out at the site of someone being electrocuted/cyanide gassed. Precisely why the antis want them to be shown... to turn more people "off" of Capital Punishment. BTW, I'm told there isn't much in the way of "Shake-Rattle-Roll:" during an electrocution. When the current is applied, the body tenses up and lunges forward as far as the straps will allow and holds there. Only minor tremors. No major shaking going on. When it's turned off the body slumps back down into the chair. Until the 2nd or 3rd hit and that process is repeated.
Lethal Injections are quite peaceful when done correctly. The condemned just goes to sleep and doesn't wake up.
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History has already shown us how great of a deterrent to crime public executions can be. Just look at our federal prisons. It's literally like a vacation spot for some life inmates who are living better on the inside than on the outside. I don't buy the bullshit about how single parent households that don't have fathers cause kids to become criminals. Some of our greatest US Presidents grew up in houses like that. It's the fact that there's no deterrent to crime anymore that has crime on the rise.
Bodies have been known to burst into flames when electrocuted, at least in Florida.
Honestly, never thought about organ donations, but I see your point.
Executions will never be public in the US.
Yup. As the "Green Mile" taught us. It's why they had to be extremely careful when designing things like the "headpiece" to to endure that the sponge is made of a certain material and is soaked before put on the head. And it's salt water, not tap water, for better conductivity. And Florida's voltage was always higher at 2300, as opposed to most others at 1800-2000.
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Why don't they just use 9mm? Everybody knows it'll blow the lungs right out of the body.
I am with you. Sure, shooting and hanging give some kind of emotional release. But really, execution should just be a matter of business. I know some will say that the condemned does not deserve the luxury of going to sleep. But I am not worried about the condemned person's luxury. It is simply time for them to die without a lot of fuss.
I like what Ron White said.
"Some states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state is putting in an express lane!"
Then it should be simple enough to rig a pull string to the triggers. No prison officers needed. Hand the tug string to the victims survivors.
Well, as of this evening, it's still "on." It takes place tomorrow at 6p ET. We'll see what happens.
too pleasurable. now,a dose of about 500mg of succinylcholine or 10mg of pavulon? fun to watch on EEG and cardiac monitor. suffering by the criminal guaranteed.
When they executed Gary Gilmore in Utah in 1977 they used Mod. '95 Winhesters in 30-06. Not sure the bullet weight but sure it was FMJ.
He was seated in a chair facing a curtain and blindfolded and a white mark or bullseye was pinned on his heart.
The curtain was then raised exposing a firing squad seated at a rifle bench a short distance away. The order was given and he was executed, the curtain was immediately dropped again as the members of the firing squad lay their rifles down and were led out.
Don't remember how many were in the firing squad but they were local men and they practiced for days prior getting the single volley synchronization and accuracy down as one. I remember they did well for the most part and punched a single fist size hole with the exception of one flyer.
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They did not have this for Gilmore. I think they did have it for Ronnie Lee Gardner, but perhaps without the head restraint.
I think they used a defunct warehouse for Gilmore. I think it was just a regular chair with ropes on it. Maybe some sand bags behind the chair.
There's actually a pretty good movie about that and Tommy Lee Jones plays Gary Gilmore.
I would think TLJ would be overqualified for the role.
Gary Gilmore was more of a 37 yr. old drunk punk in a wife beater you didn't turn your back on.
Jones does play a good methed out psychopath in Under Siege. Yeah, I know I'm promoting a Steven Seagal movie. I guess now I need to be put in front of a firing squad.
1911 Syndicate gets a peek at Gallenson's stash:
At 9:59, gets shown one of the Win. 64s used to execute Gary Gilmore. Story is that Utah had disposed of the rifles some time after the 1972 suspension of the death penalty, with Gallenson's acquiring them. After re-instatement of the death penalty, Utah had to rent the guns back to execute Gilmore in 1977.
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It was a "Made for TV" movie called, "The Executioner's Song."
This is the execution scene by itself.
This is he entire movie.
Not sure why you think it is torture. The drowning feeling that people get when smothered in other ways is actually the body fighting against high CO2 in the lungs, not lack of oxygen. Nitrogen is not toxic, corrosive or harmful. You are breathing it as you read this.
If you up the concentration to 95%, the body won't know anything is wrong until it loses consciousness. Death follows 6-10 minutes later from oxygen starvation to the brain. Happens every once in a while to tank inspectors checking inside large fuel tanks that use nitrgen gas to make an inert atmosphere.
Another plus point is that the organs can be harvested undamaged without any toxins.
Perhaps, but that's only a "collateral" benefit. And it should never be counted on as a main/primary benefit. Capital Punishment should serve one and only one purpose.... to be that "necessary and sufficient measure of justice" for the crime committed and the circumstances involved... no more... no less.
As did I, in my teenage years. But there are also other environmental factors, and I had plenty of them. I had people around me (an "extended family" of sorts) that kept me well grounded, gave me a strong sense of "right from wrong," etc. etc. And I, myself, adapted that sense of "right from wrong" very early, myself, and decided that I would never wish "evil" on anyone, even as a "reciprocal" for what might have been done to me. HD/SD? Yes. But nothing "initiated" by me.
True. Because, no matter the punishment (even Capital Punishment), people are still committing the crimes. They don't fear the punishment, and they don't fear death. Some even welcome it. There is a total lack of respect for the law and for moral values.
I have always believed that "respect" is something that simply cannot be "expected, commanded or demanded" by anyone (sorry all you Military/LE types
). True, meaningful, worthwhile respect is something that must be given voluntarily. Otherwise, it means nothing. One may get something like "obedience" (now that can be expected/demanded) but obedience is not respect. Two totally different motivations. Respect always has a positive motivation (a recognition, regard, perhaps an admiration) for the "authority" involved. You may not like what the authority just commanded of you, but you do it anyway because of that positive regard for it. OTOH, the motivation for obedience is "Fear..." pure and simple. One obeys laws and people because they fear the consequences if they don't (deterrence to an extent). Otherwise, why would you comply with the authority if you didn't want to comply and you didn't fear the consequences?True, meaningful, worthwhile respect must be given voluntarily. And he only way to get it voluntarily is to earn it. The people who surrounded me and kept my moral compass and sense of right/wrong have earned mine.
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Well, Trump is now supporting the mandatory death penalty for anyone who shoots a cop.
What about when the cops do a raid on the wrong house (again) or go snooping around on someone's property without a warrant and see someone in the house holding a gun, not pointing it, and the cops start shooting at them.
Now because you defend yourself should you be executed?
I am sorry, but I do not support giving this legal system with its miraculous 98% conviction rate the authority to kill anyone.
If some rapist is out there, let the victim's family handle it and just decline to prosecute them. Works out well for everyone.
What about when the cops do a raid on the wrong house (again) or go snooping around on someone's property without a warrant and see someone in the house holding a gun, not pointing it, and the cops start shooting at them.
Now because you defend yourself should you be executed?
I am sorry, but I do not support giving this legal system with its miraculous 98% conviction rate the authority to kill anyone.
If some rapist is out there, let the victim's family handle it and just decline to prosecute them. Works out well for everyone.
I’m gonna put myself out on a limb here/. But considering, the quick and easy death is too easy. I say f - - k the death penalty. Put them sorry progeny of canines out in Death Valley in the summer and have them make sand out of boulders all summer with minimum water available to keep them alive and move them to the north slope of Alaska in the winter, to make crushed ice out of ice bergs with just a windbreaker to keep them warm. Make those people SUFFER for the rest of their lives like the victims have to do.
Once again, I say just keep the state out of it, and just let it be known that the state will decline to prosecute any friend or family member who takes care of the problem.
I'm sure they can contrive a satisfactory solution without the state's help.
And as a bonus the state now doesn't get to wield the death penalty against dissenters.
Russian men who knew the victim did this with a pedophile a while ago.
He was caught, taken to a cabin in the woods, and his dick was nailed to the floor. He was given a dull knife and the cabin was set on fire.
After he emerged dickless they took him and cut his guts open and left him for the wild boars to eat alive.
That seems satisfactory to me.
He was caught, taken to a cabin in the woods, and his dick was nailed to the floor. He was given a dull knife and the cabin was set on fire.
After he emerged dickless they took him and cut his guts open and left him for the wild boars to eat alive.
That seems satisfactory to me.
I swear sometimes the IQ deficit in these threads is astounding.
We know that the rate of false accusations against men is extremely high but now we think vigilantism is the answer.
www.timeslive.co.za
We know that the rate of false accusations against men is extremely high but now we think vigilantism is the answer.
Father held after vigilantes kill man wrongly accused of daughter's rape
The father of a seven-year-old girl who claimed she was raped by a neighbour has been charged with murder after telling police he took part in a vigilante attack that left an innocent man dead.
www.timeslive.co.za
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Plus just because somebody is a Uniform Hanger doesn't mean they should be exempt from Old Testament style justice when they murder or brutalize or lie against someone you love or care about.
I swear sometimes the IQ deficit in these threads is astounding.
We know that the rate of false accusations against men is extremely high but now we think vigilantism is the answer.
Father held after vigilantes kill man wrongly accused of daughter's rape
The father of a seven-year-old girl who claimed she was raped by a neighbour has been charged with murder after telling police he took part in a vigilante attack that left an innocent man dead.
And that is the flip side to the problem.
Women lie, like a whole lot, like often, because they aren't held responsible for their lies.
Lots of sexual assault allegations turn out to be lies, and quite often men or other innocent people have spent a very long time in prison or had their lives destroyed.
But all those stupid "good folks" demanding "old school justice" never seem to be up for understanding "old school justice" had equally harsh penalties for those who falsely accused other... Because well, they are often simps deep down inside.
So the women get away with lying and feel bold about doing it again.
We need to stop giving cops special protections. This is perpetuated by the myth that cops have an unusually dangerous job. This is a fallacy. Their job isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country.
Men and women are definitively different, especially psychologically. I believe most of this comes from survival evolution.
No one holds a grudge like a woman.
To women lying is like breathing.
Again, I believe these are survival mechanisms because women have a “prey” mindset.
If they used Nitrous Oxide he could laugh himself to death.
