Suppressors First 1911, need advice

[Downzero]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hawk45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here is the truth about 1911s.... they are a hobbyist gun
Yeah, I've never seen any jams or issues at comps with HK's, Glocks, M&P's or any other make/manufacture. Comps aren't a good place to gauge the quality of a gun b/c guys usually use reloads and have them way loaded way down. They usually have messed with about every part of the gun they can to boot. Heck, you even see it in production class's if they are known not to check.

If you want a defensive gun, buy it the way it was meant to work from the factory and leave it that way. </div></div>

You've never seen other types of guns jam at a competition? I'm not sure if that's a joke or not. You probably haven't seen HKs jam because they are generally not competitive because their bore axis is too high and SA/DA is not popular with competitors in either IDPA or USPSA. If you haven't seen all types of gun malfunctions imaginable, however, you must not have been to many matches. I have staffed major tournaments and I have seen every type of gun malfunction.

The suggestion that competition ammo is "loaded way down" is complete and utter bullshit and illustrates that you actually don't know what you're talking about. In both IDPA and USPSA, the only commonly-used caliber that is typically loaded well-below its factory loading is .45 ACP. My .40 ammo is just as hot, and perhaps hotter, than most factory .40 ammo, and my 9mm ammo probably has more recoil than most factory 115 grain loadings, although it uses heavier bullets. The principles of practical shooting would be violated if we didn't value power. Or did you miss all that DVC stuff?

Production is not a class, nor does equipment put one in a "class." Equipment puts one in a "division," and neither of the major handgun shooting sports demand that one not modify their gun. The gun that I carry on the street has different sights and some internal parts when compared to how it came from the factory. Should I not carry it? You haven't demonstrated any reason why this is a problem.

And for the record, and I've said this on here before, possessives are not plurals. "Class's" is not a word. The plural of "class" is "classes." The possessive is "class'."

If you want to suggest that my guns are somehow not "defensive" because they have their triggers changed out, or because I've adjusted the overtravel stop, or because I don't like the factory sights, then so be it, but keep that trash to yourself unless you wish to come here and give reasons why the gun that I carry every day is insufficient to defend myself on account of not being as it came from the factory.

and +1 on the comment about letting a bunch of manufacturers make Glocks and let's see how reliable they are...

The 1911 is not inherently unreliable. It's just imperative that users choose one that is, because each one is different.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oh my god you 1911 fanboys you have no freaking clue what you are talking about. MARSOC and fore recon gets guns that are completely rebuilt and get serviced every 5-10k rounds plus they have trained armorers from crane in their teams that replace parts as needed. LAPD and HRT both used/use 1911's and have the same replacement policies and if you think they are stock off the shelf guns you are insane as well. i'm taking nothing away from the platform there is a reason its still kicking 100 years later. but if your goin to use it hard you need to know what you are getting yourself into. i have posted numerous times on these freaking 1911 threads from people who have more rounds down range with 1911's then 8 of you combined saying things about the MIM parts, service life, reliability and you don't say shit but a couple guys say the same things and you jump all over their case. I have a 1911 being built and am buying 2 more, but i also shoot glock, HK, sig doesn't matter they all have their use and their faults. stop being cult fanboys and open your fucking eyes. jesus christ this is the same thread we see time and time again. </div></div>

Not sure what this is trying to add, unless it's to say that with high round counts, all guns will need maintenance. I reject the suggestion that the 1911 needs to be rebuilt every "5-10k rounds." The usual criticism of the 1911 is that it's not a design that allows for replacing parts without fitting, and many people don't want to pay someone to fit a part to their gun.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: First 1911, need advice

DZ you can reject it all you want, you know the military. If you don't think they do i'll give ya the emails of a few buddies who will tell you otherwise.

and my comments were made because of the same argument i see time and time again on these 1911 threads. I'm not talking down on the platform only explaining what people well past my knowledge have told me. Fuck internet commandos the two people i posted quotes from i take seriously.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: First 1911, need advice

hey and if your getting into your first 1911 another good page is

http://www.m1911.org/full_striping.htm

 

[Jedi5150]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hawk45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yeah, I've never seen any jams or issues at comps with HK's, Glocks, M&P's or any other make/manufacture. Comps aren't a good place to gauge the quality of a gun b/c guys usually use reloads and have them way loaded way down. </div></div>

You've never seen other types of guns jam at a competition? I'm not sure if that's a joke or not. </div></div>

I think you misread Hawk45. I took him as being tongue-in-cheek. He says he's never seen any other type of pistol jam at competitions and then goes to explain how competitions are an innacurate way of judging reliability. I imagine his competition experiences have been similar to yours.

 

[johngfoster]

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I recently was deciding on my 1st 1911 and went with the Springfield Armory Loaded parkerized. It had all the features I was looking for and I got it for under $800. I also spent another $200 on ammo at the time of purchase. So far I've got 200 rds through the pistol and liking it more and more. No stoppages of any kind yet.

 

[marduk185]

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feriggen poodle pirates otta keep ther anti-jmb perfection blasphemous rants to themselves. bj airbuddy knows stock 1911's is the shiz unlessin yall weakwristers cant krekt yer form to makit run rite. just sayin.

 

[EddieNFL]

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Geez. I have several 1911s 20K plus overdue rebuild. Had I known about the 5K-10K rule, I probably would have experienced failures by now.

If the internet had existed in 1974, I probably wouldn't own a 1911.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: First 1911, need advice

yeah bro you should probably get rid of those and buy glocks, i'll happily take them and dispose of them...

 

[NRAShooter]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Kimber TLE was good enough for the LAPD Metropolitan Division and SWAT. They have more call outs than anyone. Truely bad ass.

 

[EddieNFL]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yeah bro you should probably get rid of those and buy glocks, i'll happily take them and dispose of them... </div></div>

Nah. You're smart enough to know they're too heavy to carry, too bulky to conceal and can't cycle a full mag without a malfunction.

 

[Cerebus]

Re: First 1911, need advice

The point is moot, I just ordered the E-series that I had linked first.

Thanks for the helpful (at least some of it

) info.

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

Re: First 1911, need advice

nice cereb i hope it serves you well.

of course eddie everyone needs a glock and a KAC ar15 or its not worth buying

 

[EddieNFL]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Bought the wife a Glock. Works well for her.

 

[RockSteady]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJ1670</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check out the STI Trojan 5.0. It's probably the best $1k 1911 out there. It's US made and has some nice features for a $1k 1911.</div></div>

I second taking a look at the STI line of 1911's and even their double stack 2011's.

I've had an STI Trojan in 9mm and it was really well built and shoot well.

I also run a STI Edge 2011 in .40s&w for IPSC/USPSA. Pretty standard fair for limited and open division for the sport. Some of the hardest run guns I've seen and these guns take the abuse well. These matches are also good places to find out what parts fail first on 1911/2011 type guns.

 

[Downzero]

Re: First 1911, need advice

My suggestion is usually the STI Spartan. My 9mm Spartan just might be a nicer gun than my Series I Kimber.

I would not buy any 1911 with an external extractor, S&W included.

 

[adam1122]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

 

[Downzero]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Kimber doesn't sell the SIS pistol anymore, nor would I buy any new Kimber at any price these days.

And if you catch me at a USPSA match, you'll see a 10 year old Kimber or an STI in my holser, most likely, so it's not like I'm a hater. I love my 11 year old Kimber.....I just wouldn't own a new one.

 

[Asiparks]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

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Yes,just get what the LAPD SWAT team uses. (That was the TLE/R not the SIS, BTW). then call up their armorer and ask if he can do "simple trigger job" for you.
But then, FBI HRT and DEA use Springfield Pros...
Hmmmm, maybe they should shoot at each other and then we'll know by the winner which 1911 is the best in the universe ever.....

 

[damit]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: asiparks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

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Yes,just get what the LAPD SWAT team uses. (That was the TLE/R not the SIS, BTW). then call up their armorer and ask if he can do "simple trigger job" for you.
But then, FBI HRT and DEA use Springfield Pros...
Hmmmm, maybe they should shoot at each other and then we'll know by the winner which 1911 is the best in the universe ever..... </div></div>

FBI hostage rescue team uses the TRP, out of the custom shop. Only 1911 to meet the criteria that they have. I have had 0 problems with the TRP. My .02

Dave

 

[Asiparks]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: damitboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: asiparks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

</div></div>

Yes,just get what the LAPD SWAT team uses. (That was the TLE/R not the SIS, BTW). then call up their armorer and ask if he can do "simple trigger job" for you.
But then, FBI HRT and DEA use Springfield Pros...
Hmmmm, maybe they should shoot at each other and then we'll know by the winner which 1911 is the best in the universe ever..... </div></div>

FBI hostage rescue team uses the TRP, out of the custom shop. Only 1911 to meet the criteria that they have. I have had 0 problems with the TRP. My .02

Dave </div></div>

you might want to recheck that, Dave.......

 

[Jim_D303]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

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More SRT teams use Glocks than any other pistols, combined.

Probably because the % of guys on those teams that can shoot well enough with a pistol to notice a difference in accuracy performance is probably in the neighborhood of 1%.

 

[WhiskeyWebber]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Cerebus-- I was making this same decision last fall and I went with the STI Spartan in .45 with a Brazos trigger job for $728 total. You get an adjustable rear sight, fiber optic front, a sweet sweet sweet trigger, the slide has less play than some $2000 guns I've handled, and it's more accurate than I am. I have ~3000 rounds through it and not one malfunction so far. I use it in single stack USPSA and I carry it too. I'm sure there will be a tradeoff with such a low dollar gun at some point but I haven't found it yet

 

[Downzero]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: damitboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: asiparks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

</div></div>

Yes,just get what the LAPD SWAT team uses. (That was the TLE/R not the SIS, BTW). then call up their armorer and ask if he can do "simple trigger job" for you.
But then, FBI HRT and DEA use Springfield Pros...
Hmmmm, maybe they should shoot at each other and then we'll know by the winner which 1911 is the best in the universe ever..... </div></div>

FBI hostage rescue team uses the TRP, out of the custom shop. Only 1911 to meet the criteria that they have. I have had 0 problems with the TRP. My .02
Dave </div></div>

The Springfield Professional is not the TRP. HRT uses the Professional.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim D</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this thread is getting out of hand. Just do basic research on well respected groups and what they use for a reason. 3 words......LAPD SWAT TEAM uses the KImber SIS pistol with just a simple trigger job from the armorer. Cheap guns considering wilsons, les Baer Ed brown.......all over 2k.

</div></div>

More SRT teams use Glocks than any other pistols, combined.

Probably because the % of guys on those teams that can shoot well enough with a pistol to notice a difference in accuracy performance is probably in the neighborhood of 1%. </div></div>

That's true to a point. I love my single action trigger though, and everyone here knows it.

 

[adam1122]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Just get a 1911 that you like, fits your hands, and is built well. The US Military used this weapon for deaceds for a reason...it works. People in SpecOps, and LE still use it.

The 1911 is not an irellevant outdated platform...it's going to to be here long after we are all dead.

 

[chlinstructor]

Re: First 1911, need advice

I've been a Texas CHL Instructor for the past 15 years, so I get this question from my students all the time. I Always reccomend a Springfield Loaded Model in 45acp or the EMP .40 if U want a over the counter stock model. I have always carried & loved 1911's Next step up I recommend STI ! They are priced very reasonably & I carry the little STI Shadow in 45 acp Every Day.
it is a officer's size alloy frame & is very Reliable & Very Accurate! They run about a grand, but they have cheaper models. It's about as close as U can get to High Dollar Big Name Customs for a lot less money. I would Highly Reccomend a Les Baer Custom ! They are all hand built right here in the good ole USA & are by far the most Accurate 1911 I have ever owned, but they start @ around $2K They are lots of other Great 1911's out there, but I know from personal experience U can bet your life on those 3 brands. I do every Day! Although I hate to admit I often carry a Glock as a Back-up.... They are Cheap, Work EVERY Time, Carry a lot more rounds, AND are very accurate! Even the best 1911's will jam if not oiled & cleaned frequently... The Glock will keep running even if u Never clean or oil it. Just another alterative to consider. If U have any more questions to ask, I would be happy to answer, or U can visit my Websight @ http://www.abileneconcealedhandgunlicense.com/ Thanks, NR

 

[EddieNFL]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Glock will keep running even if u Never clean or oil it</div></div>.

Another internet myth.

 

[Starbelly]

Re: First 1911, need advice

I wouldn't say never, but rarely. I have 2 glocks, I used to clean them, but I like the way they shoot better dirty. It has been at least 5k rounds each with no cleaning and zero failures, and that is also with me goofing around with my crappy home gunsmith mods on them too. I like 1911's way, way way better, and that is an understatement. They shoot better, feel better and look better, and if you run out of ammo they could work as a bludgening tool. However, I have not been able to get one to work 100%. My TRP got to 99.9% with a new extractor and good mags. My others ran like crap. Now, I'm sure that I just happened to have bad luck on those purchases, and I am looking into buying another very soon. Maybe a Kimber Super Carry HD? It looks real sexy on the back of American Rifleman

 

[Downzero]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Glock will keep running even if u Never clean or oil it</div></div>.

Another internet myth. </div></div>

Look at the guy's spelling, sentence, and paragraph structure.

Obviously one would be a fool to take any advice from him.

 

[Saito]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Oh man,

Anyhow, if you want to own a 1911 AND shoot it, you have to be a dedicated end user. Visit the 10-8 forums and read, as you most likely won't be able to post there. That's where I learned the ins and outs of the 1911 world. They have pages dedicated to malfunctions and their causes. It's imperative to keep the extractor tensioned and tuned(if it's internal).

The first failure that I had was an extractor and it drug a case through the feed lips of the mag. That's a show stopper fo sho! It's the reason a follower shaped like another round is recommended as well. Don't skimp on mags either.

I've had more problems with Glocks than I have with 1911s btw and almost an equal number of rounds through both.

 

[Sig_Fiend]

Re: First 1911, need advice

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EddieNFL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Glock will keep running even if u Never clean or oil it</div></div>.

Another internet myth. </div></div>

Nothing is perfect and anything can fail. My current carry gun is a G17 that's an old LE trade in. Replaced all the springs initially. The very first day I shot it, it started dirty as heck, bone dry and I ran literally 1,000rds through it over the course of a few hours. Not one single failure, so I decided it was GTG.

All I'd say is, once you make a decision and buy one, put it through it's paces and see how <span style="font-style: italic">your</span> gun works for <span style="font-style: italic">you</span>. To me, a proper test is 500-1,000rds with NO failures. If it will do that, you are most likely GTG.

 

[Cerebus]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Started the paperwork on her last night. The picture does not do her justice, she's a gorgeous pistol.

 

[LUNCHBOX0621]

Re: First 1911, need advice

Outstanding! beautiful piece