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Sidearms & Scatterguns First pistol ever, which one??

Before you buy anything, I would recommend going to a range where you can actually shoot different handguns. Also, take a basic handgun class, even if all it teaches is basic safety, and some range time. That way, you will have a general idea about basic handgun techniques. Between the class, and shooting various firearms at the range, you will be able to get an idea about which handgun/s feel better in your hand, how they feel when you shoot them, and which you are most comfortable with.

I would recommend against picking a firearm based primarily on cartridge. How comfortable you are with the handgun, and how well you shoot it will make much more of a difference than caliber alone.

This presumes you go with a handgun in calibers that are at least reasonable for self defense. 22 long rifle, 32 ACP, 25 auto are not recommended. 38 spcl, 9mm, 45acp, 40 S&W, 357 mag, 44 spcl, are all good.
 
If you are shooting a gun that regularly has issues, you will not win. Plain and simple, there are no two ways about it.

Round count doesn't tell the whole tale, no, but neither does dunking a gun in a vat of mud water or burying it in sand. Because that isn't real life either. Match guns get banged around, regularly shot upwards of 3 or 400 rounds in a day in the dust and rain and heat and cold. If anything I think that is probably a better metric of real life use for anybody other than the military.

If you have some info about an agency adopting 2011s, I'd love to see it, and see why they failed.

Also "obnoxious Sig fan boys" is kind of a widespread joke/running gag on the internet, that isn't actually calling anyone out as being obnoxious. They are generally defined by their overbearing support, gushing praise, and abusive-relationship-like adoration of all things Sig Sauer haha.

I love classic Sigs, and tend to gush about them. I guess I'm a fanboy. I'm also a realist, and know way more than I want to about how things work over there in NH.

I carry a glock, but when I retire, I will carry a Sig again.

Of course, if your comp pistol fails regularly, you will not make it to the top. Very few people at the top. Very few tricked out guns not failing.

Anyway, it is probably in poor taste to continue this in the OP's thread. I was a pistolero long before I got into rifles, so these discussions are always of interest to me.

For the OP, you mentioned needing to learn to shoot, and finishing shots, not hunting with a handgun. A .22 is what is called for when learning to shoot. Once you know how to shoot, any gun can be shot well. If you need a centerfire right now, (illegals and smugglers) then a 9mm is the only way to go. Still, shoot the .22 way more. You will learn faster and better, and it will cost you way less in ammo. The price of the .22 will not buy you very much 9mm to practice with, and you will not get as good, as fast.
 
No one pistol does everything good. But for a first try a G19 would do good. Then mayb Ruger KMK512, SW 25-5 in 45LC, SW637 AW, Series 70 Colt GCNM, Ruger OM BlkHk 45LC, and the list goes on?
 
You guys went "off" on a rant, not perticular to the op's needs.
1. One gun!
2. Sufficient hog and reasonable hostile protection.
3. To some degree fun for newbies.

So I think you can eliminate "race guns" entirely.
22 cal, fun good trainer but does not meet requirements.
Large cal revolvers, not fun for newbies.
Cc not an issue.

I,m thinking a reasanable price point without sacrificing reliability or decent accuracy.
Not something he will have to sell as soon as he learns to shoot well.

Glocks, standard good stuff, xd's my go to, not my end all.
Caliber choice, 9mm may be lowball for situation?

Can we not give the op clearer advice on his needs?
 
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Disagree. Anyone can learn to shoot any pistol effectively. Just takes practice and, as mentioned above, lots and lots of dryfire.

So you are saying a new shooter should buy what you say they should buy just because you like it, even if it doesn't fit them well....and layer trying to learn to shoot the gun well on top of simply trying to learn the fundamentals as a new shooter....instead of simply buying one of the many very nice pistols out there that fits them well and focusing on learning how to shoot?

Why should a new shooter complicate things just because YOU have a personal preference?
 
OP, for your stated uses, with the exception of the ladies shooting, I would suggest the Glock 19. There are a number of caveats though. I've found Glocks are particularly hard to shoot. Starting a new shooter with a semi-auto is harder than doing the same with a revolver. SA or SA/DA revolvers are inherently safer than semi-autos. They also have better triggers, when used in SA mode, than all but the very best competition semi-autos. If you happen to be a veteran, Glock has a cost saving sale on until Sep. 3rd https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/#snipers-hide-advance-marksmanship-unit.19

Before you jump on the Glock or any semi-auto, consider a K or L frame S&W, 4-6" barrel in .38/.357. An older Colt in the Trooper Series would also work. A revolver is safer, more reliable, easier to shoot, easier to learn on and for most people more accurate than a semi-auto. The .38/.357 is also the most versatile cartridge combination on the planet.
 
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So you are saying a new shooter should buy what you say they should buy just because you like it, even if it doesn't fit them well....and layer trying to learn to shoot the gun well on top of simply trying to learn the fundamentals as a new shooter....instead of simply buying one of the many very nice pistols out there that fits them well and focusing on learning how to shoot?

Why should a new shooter complicate things just because YOU have a personal preference?
He never said anything like that. He simply said that the importance of an instant romantic connection with a pistol when you pick it up is wildly overrated. If you're determined to excel at pistol shooting and willing to put in the work, it doesn't matter how it feels.
 
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He never said anything like that. He simply said that the importance of an instant romantic connection with a pistol when you pick it up is wildly overrated. If you're determined to excel at pistol shooting and willing to put in the work, it doesn't matter how it feels.

Who said anything about romance? Fit is far from an emotional condition.

I love my Glocks. They are simply too big with that double stack mag for some people to shoot well. But a new shooter is supposed to struggle with one because some know-it-all on the internet buys into their own hubris and declares all other brands are not worth considering?

I went through three pistols with my wife before I stopped recommending what I liked and let her pick one that fit her well. That decision tightened up her groups a lot more than weeks of fighting with guns that were simply not a fit for her.
 
Not true. I've seen plenty of junior shooters with midget hands shoot full sized pistols better than you seem to think possible.

How many hours of dry fire did your wife put into those pistols?

So a new shooter is better off buying a gun that doesn't fit them and struggling with it than picking one that fits them, because your personal preference is beyond questioning?

I'm not going to entertain this idiocy. I feel sorry for any new shooters that come under your guidance. Bye.
 
Not true. I've seen plenty of junior shooters with midget hands shoot full sized pistols better than you seem to think possible.

How many hours of dry fire did your wife put into those pistols?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't do this for a living.

Nothing wrong with that, but some context needs to be applied here.
 
So a new shooter is better off buying a gun that doesn't fit them and struggling with it than picking one that fits them, because your personal preference is beyond questioning?

I'm not going to entertain this idiocy. I feel sorry for any new shooters that come under your guidance. Bye.
So....
How many hours of dry fire then?
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't do this for a living.

Nothing wrong with that, but some context needs to be applied here.
Do what for a living? Recommend guns to random internet strangers? You'll notice I have yet to make any suggestions to the OP, mostly because it doesn't matter what he buys, as a new pistol shooter he's going to suck for a while regardless.
 
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Do what for a living? Recommend guns to random internet strangers? You'll notice I have yet to make any suggestions to the OP, mostly because it doesn't matter what he buys, as a new pistol shooter he's going to suck for a while regardless.

Haha! If I got paid to recommend guns to random strangers, I imagine it would not be very lucrative.

I meant teach weapons. I agree that he will suck for a while but he will suck for longer, and maybe lose interest, if he buys the wrong gun.

Dryfire is great, but really, only pretty enthusiastic shooters will do it. It's a tough sell for part timers (people who only want to use their gun for limited, specific purposes).

Most good advice is ignored these days, but I'll repeat again that if you actually want to learn to shoot well, a .22 is the way to go.

Shooting a pistol well is way harder than shooting a precision rifle. If you want real skill, you don't just pick a duty gun and go shooting. That, and lack of enthusiasm, is most of why professional gun carriers (LE and Mil) don't shoot very well.
 
@SLG no I do not teach shooting for a living, I've done quite a bit just by happenstance though. I have yet to try to tell anyone what to buy, most of the people I've worked with already have a gun or one in mind to buy, and if they're already excited about it then I'm not going to rain on their parade.

Any of the guns mentioned above will be perfectly serviceable for a casual pistol shooter, hence why I haven't weighed in on the brand favouritism these threads always create.

And yes, a .22 is a great place to start, but recoil control will never be mastered with one. Only the OP knows if thats important or not.
 
You guys went "off" on a rant, not perticular to the op's needs.
1. One gun! Agreed
2. Sufficient hog and reasonable hostile protection. Sounds great, totally agree
3. To some degree fun for newbies. If it isn't fun then you won't practice, so that is definitely important

So I think you can eliminate "race guns" entirely.
22 cal, fun good trainer but does not meet requirements.
Large cal revolvers, not fun for newbies.
Cc not an issue.

I,m thinking a reasanable price point without sacrificing reliability or decent accuracy.
Not something he will have to sell as soon as he learns to shoot well.

Glocks, standard good stuff, xd's my go to, not my end all.
Caliber choice, 9mm may be lowball for situation?

Can we not give the op clearer advice on his needs?
I never recommended a race gun to him, though we did end up out in the weeds a bit there haha. I actually recommended a full size plastic fantastic 9mm based on his criteria just like most everyone else in this thread did. It makes the most sense for what he is thinking, and as far as caliber I would stick with 9mm for cost and availability. When you are new you need to shoot a lot. A LOT. And 9mm is the cheapest centerfire caliber you can get, which lets you shoot more.

So you are saying a new shooter should buy what you say they should buy just because you like it, even if it doesn't fit them well....and layer trying to learn to shoot the gun well on top of simply trying to learn the fundamentals as a new shooter....instead of simply buying one of the many very nice pistols out there that fits them well and focusing on learning how to shoot?

Why should a new shooter complicate things just because YOU have a personal preference?
I never said anything about that. I didn't even say which pistol to buy (other than the CZ P09 as my personal number one choice for his criteria). All I said is "fit" is a very very minor part of shooting a pistol well. If anything, I think a larger than comfortable grip benefits most people, because you get more weak hand engagement on the grip.

He never said anything like that. He simply said that the importance of an instant romantic connection with a pistol when you pick it up is wildly overrated. If you're determined to excel at pistol shooting and willing to put in the work, it doesn't matter how it feels.
Ding ding ding

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't do this for a living.

Nothing wrong with that, but some context needs to be applied here.
I don't do it for a living, but I've made a few dollars and paid for a few match fees with it. And I gotta say, I agree with Tony. One of my friends (a TINY 12 year old, mind you), shoots a full size 5.4" 9 major 2011. He is knocking on the brink of making Master in open. Another friend of mine, I think she is 14 maybe, shoots a full size limited gun with major PF. Surely a woman, let alone a child, couldn't control such a wild beast! And yet... here we are. Or the case of Justine Williams, the 13 year old girl who just made GM in production shooting a full size 9mm.
 
Well I’ll just put down a Government 1911 as first pistol to buy, because that’s what I got when I bought one. Granted, life circumstances prevented me from training in the manner that should, but I still have it too. Now I’m looking at doing builds for them, and hand loading 45 Super. I’m bias that way. YMMV.
 

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I never recommended a race gun to him, though we did end up out in the weeds a bit there haha. I actually recommended a full size plastic fantastic 9mm based on his criteria just like most everyone else in this thread did. It makes the most sense for what he is thinking, and as far as caliber I would stick with 9mm for cost and availability. When you are new you need to shoot a lot. A LOT. And 9mm is the cheapest centerfire caliber you can get, which lets you shoot more.


I never said anything about that. I didn't even say which pistol to buy (other than the CZ P09 as my personal number one choice for his criteria). All I said is "fit" is a very very minor part of shooting a pistol well. If anything, I think a larger than comfortable grip benefits most people, because you get more weak hand engagement on the grip.


Ding ding ding


I don't do it for a living, but I've made a few dollars and paid for a few match fees with it. And I gotta say, I agree with Tony. One of my friends (a TINY 12 year old, mind you), shoots a full size 5.4" 9 major 2011. He is knocking on the brink of making Master in open. Another friend of mine, I think she is 14 maybe, shoots a full size limited gun with major PF. Surely a woman, let alone a child, couldn't control such a wild beast! And yet... here we are. Or the case of Justine Williams, the 13 year old girl who just made GM in production shooting a full size 9mm.


And that's why context matters. First of all, those kids you mentioned are the outliers. Second, while feel doesn't matter, fit certainly does. Third, I don't think anyone was saying that a 9mm is hard to control, but that for good trigger control to happen regularly, as well as good recoil control, fit matters. That was my take on the discussion above, but I wasn't a part of it, so I'm not sure.

My employer lost a lawsuit because of this issue. I know more then a few women who can shoot plates down at a very high rate of success at 50 yards with a 1911 that fits them...but have ended up hurting themselves over time with a Glock due to how the recoil hits the base of their thumb. They can shoot well, but the grip is just too big for them, and it ha caused damage over the years. Now they can get a few shots off before a flinch sets in, due to the accumulated damage. Switch them to a gun that fits them correctly and they are back to good shooting and no pain.

I happen to know some of the kids doing what you describe. Healthy for growing bodies is not how I would describe their practice. My wife and I shoot between 40,000 and 80,000 rds a year of pistol, and have done so for around 20 years. Me a little less lately, as my rifle practice has ramped up a lot in the past couple of years. Neither of us want or will allow our kids to train at anything like that until they are adults. For a few reasons, most of which apply to adults too.

All of this is probably off topic for the OP, but that's what happens in internet discussions.

Anyway, as I said above, a .22 is best to learn. If you know what you are doing, you actually can learn recoil control quite well, but that is not the point of it.

If you need a real gun right now, then 9mm makes the most sense. In 9mm, I would chooses a full size duty grade gun.


Pretty sure this has been beat to death now, lol. Funny how fast these things can get sideways.
 
The op asked for pistol advice, not revolver.


642, I imagine this is in reference to my post. I answer the pistol question in the first statement in my post. I did not elaborate on my reasons for picking the 19 as it had already been covered in previous posts. In fact the OP did not originally state he wanted a pistol, he asked about a "handgun". There are two other posts that reference revolvers.

In the current world of the plastic-fantastic the revolver is often relegated to niches like hunting, super huge handgun cartridges and hide-outs or belly guns. In fact the service size revolvers are extremely versatile and always should be considered. If you look at the likes of Jelly Bryce, Bill Jordan, Charles Askins or Jim Cirillo they did very permanent work with revolvers. The OP stated his considerations in the use of a sidearm. The use for personal protection is the least likely of the circumstances. For all other considerations he stated the revolver is superior. For the least likely of those circumstances the revolver is at least adequate and superior if you can shoot it better than a semi-auto.

SLG, I sure hope someone else is paying your ammo bill!

642, considering your screen name, I think you may agree about the value of revolvers.
 
Glock 19 is by far the easiest to find accessories and pars for. If you would like something with a safety checking out a CZ P07 is worth your time. It’s a great shooting gun. Finding holsters and accessories for it isn’t quite as easy but you can go to Tier1 Concealed of T-Rex Arms and they can make anything you need.

As far as getting better goes, find a sale on ammo and get as much as you can. Dry firing helps tremendously as well. When you practice and do dry fire drills, have a purpose. Go into the training with intent to make one aspect better, such as draw stroke or trigger pull, etc. going out and just blasting ammo is a good way to waste a lot of money. I would also advice taking a training class. Most ranges offer some sort of defensive pistol course and most of them are worth the time and money. If possible, you want to do this with your gun. I can’t tell you how important it is to get familiar and train with your gun.
 
Quarter Horse is correct the op didn't specify pistol, but mentioned pistols several times.
He said a 1911 felt good, they do.
A nice gp 100 would work or something similar.
A lot of new gen's have not learned to apriciate wheel guns, unfortunately.
Imo anything less than a 357 , or larger would not meet his requirement

I start newbies any age off on a ruger single six every time I can..

I do carry a 642, with ct and big dot tritium, also has trigger work done.
That is certainly not a newbies gun and does not meet spec.
I change carry guns often, cc and open carry but none of that has any bearing on op's request.

I did not single you out on the revolvers, and I love all of mine dearly.

The smaller younger newbies liked 9mm and full size 45's better than the wheel guns
For some reason, recoil impulse maybe, perception?

I get a slower more deliberate rate of fire from newbies with the 45 and 357/38.

After my son did the 9mm hog 2 step twice on a trail, he carries his gp 100 instead.

I use my fn tactical because of the rmr on top, rail light and 15 round capacity .
Also not suggested due to price, but newbies love to shoot it suppressed.

One handgun?
 
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Was once a serious pistol competitor, 3-Gun Bullseye. Built up my 1911 and I've got a warm spot in my heart for it, just like my Garand. But I also haven't owned one for two decades. I hadn't owned any pistol for nearly two decades, up until I moved out of NY to AZ two years back. Before then, besides the 1911, there was a Beretta 92FS 9mm and a High Standard Supermatic Trophy 22LR.

So two years ago, I was in the same boat as you, including the two ladies, but also with some experience under the belt.

I decided on caliber first, 9mm. Damned common everywhere, cheap enough to skip the handloading, and effective enough with premium HD ammo.

I then went for the gun itself, choosing the Ruger American Pistol 9 Pro. It was a contender for the Beretta M9 replacement then, and I liked both the very low thrust line, and the three interchangeable back straps to customize the grip. It also has a cam thingy that extends/smooths out the recoil pulse, and I suspect, may also reduce the racking force. Safety wise, the 9 Pro is like the Glock, with the trigger blade safety and that's all, folks. As is discussed above, millions of Glocks in circulation, the issue is there, but it's really a self discipline issue.

For the ladies, they need another gun; at least until they can get the safe trigger manipulation mantra down pat.

I had wanted to get them a nice Ruger 22/45 MK IV 22LR, but they went for the S&W M&P 9 Shield instead. With it they found they have problems with racking and hand strength; it's really pretty tiny even in their hands.

Since I want a 22LR as well, I'm looking at the Ruger SR22 4.5"; which I fully expect they will annex, and I'll need to get another one.

They don't seem to have the Shield doing accurately yet, but can hit pretty well with the RAP. I think they got the wrong gun, but they get the deciding vote and well..; if and when it becomes redundant, I'll be happy to take it off their hands for my own CCW/EDC.

Oh, well....

Meanwhile, I love the RAP 9 Pro, and it just seems so easy to shoot well. If a manual safety is a must, it also comes with one, with the 'Pro' designation being dropped.

I don't like dry fire. IMHO, it breaks the mantra of treating every gun as a loaded gun, and lets folks get used to treating guns as unloaded; not my safety conditioning preference.

Greg
 
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Oh vatos it makes me a little happy that revolvers have a good following on this thread. I would claim that anything smaller than 357mag wouldn’t suffice. A snub nosed 327 Federal Magnum is an option for hand loading. Fits in your pocket, has good ballistics, and less recoil too. You also carry six instead of five rounds. You can save tons of money hand loading too.

If the OP is willing to spend the extra shekels. A good S&W TRR8/R8 would be a good range gun, and home defense gun too. Possibly even a hunting gun. If I wasn’t so committed to 44mag? I’d snatch one up. Although, S&W has reintroduced the Model 19 KComp has been put into production. That’d be a good buy IMO.
 
I don't like dry fire. IMHO, it breaks the mantra of treating every gun as a loaded gun, and lets folks get used to treating guns as unloaded; not my safety conditioning preference.

Greg

In 25 years of dedicated weapons training, I have never heard this argument before. Most people just admit they find it boring. You were a Marine, the Marine Corps practically invented dry fire. True, it was AFAIK, always done on a range, and certainly very formalized, but still.

Dry fire is tremendously important if you want to excel at any kind of shooting. Just being ok, may be fine for most people but if you want the fastest gains and the highest level you can achieve, dry fire is essential.

In order to make it safe, I used to use body armor as a backer for my targets. These days, most of my dry fire with handguns is with a G17R, so that takes care of that.

For all my other guns, I tend to point them out my window, which faces my berm. Also gives me a better view and the chance of a shot at a predator.

Part of the problem is that most people really have no clue how to dry fire correctly. That is, to help them achieve their shooting goals. Basic marksmanship is just the start of a good dry fire routine, and the more you know about it, the more exciting and interesting it is. I can get a whole hour of dry fire in, and feel like I really accomplished something. It is anything but boring to me, since I make gains during that time. Getting better is always motivational, I find.

A friend who is a regular PRS competitor invited me out to the range one day. I spent the time shooting, he spent the time dry firing from various obstacles, with a tiny bit of live fire thrown in. He has no shortage of ammo or barrels, btw.

Sorry for the long winded post, but I was really kind of dumbstruck when I read that. I am a huge proponent of safety with firearms, especially when doing high speed stuff, on the range or off. However, you can't let some concept of absolute safety prevent you from training. Guns are unsafe. Live fire is unsafe. Dry fire is unsafe. Good dry fire makes you safer in the real world, and keeps you looking good on the range. :)
 
In 25 years of dedicated weapons training, I have never heard this argument before. Most people just admit they find it boring. You were a Marine, the Marine Corps practically invented dry fire. True, it was AFAIK, always done on a range, and certainly very formalized, but still.....<snip>
:)

Yeah, that struck me as super odd as well. If you wanna be good at shooting, regardless of what kind of shooting it is, you NEED to dryfire. A lot. It is probably more important than live fire, IMO.

Shotgunners can put a mini-mag flashlight in the muzzle and practice mounting the gun and swinging, using the light on the wall to make sure your swing is smooth/in a line.

Rifle shooters can work on the various positions, trigger press, shot calling, dialing between different targets/ranges, and if they have one of the close range parallax thingies you can even do all of that at home.

Pistol shooters can work on draws, transitions, grip, index, shot calling, reloads, SHO/WHO shooting, smooth trigger presses... literally every part of shooting short of actually popping primers.
 
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Always Glock, 1911, Sig. Never any love for the FiveSeven. Sigh.

FWIW, I think the best advice given so far was to improve skills with a .22 first. Almost as inexpensive as dry-firing, and easy to quickly make progress on fundamentals without being distracted by "real gun" baggage. Plus, a good .22 pistol is lots of fun to shoot; I've had a Ruger Standard for almost 40 years and still love it.
 
Always Glock, 1911, Sig. Never any love for the FiveSeven. Sigh.

FWIW, I think the best advice given so far was to improve skills with a .22 first. Almost as inexpensive as dry-firing, and easy to quickly make progress on fundamentals without being distracted by "real gun" baggage. Plus, a good .22 pistol is lots of fun to shoot; I've had a Ruger Standard for almost 40 years and still love it.
Maybe because it is semi-expensive, shoots an oddball caliber that is not common to find ammo for, doesn't really have any better capacity than some of the other pistols mentioned here (CZ P09, XDm 9mm, etc), AND it isn't very comfortable at all haha? At least it is super soft and flat shooting and makes giant fireballs, that is awesome. Have you shot a 22TCM? Very similar in giant boomy-ness, it is great.
 
This is fun thread, aye?!

Shooting a pistol, and developing form, it's a good idea to buy some books and watch videos, from those who are top champions.

FYI, by far the most accurate pistol shooters are the Olympic champions. My Olympic PCP pistol will put em in the same hole at 15Y, at one point earlier in my life I got to where I could average 9 for 10, on 1.25" steel circles at 15Y, offhand. On that note I suggest buying this one, http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/pump-up/weihrauch-hw40/ We had a cheaper copy of this model. I bought it for my wife to get the fundamentals of pistol marksmanship down. It was capable of nickel sized groups at 10Y and had a decent trigger and sights.

Onward, about single pump pneumatic air pistols, there is the tiniest bit of noise and teeniest amount of recoil. What that does is eliminate those two aspects of pistol shooting, ala - fear of the loud blast and fear of the recoil. The learning curve is greatly shortened compared to even shooting a 22 pistol. My wife would come home from work and we would take 15 minutes each evening to practice. I instructed her and one week later she could hit a pop can at 10Y every time with it.

Then we went to the 22rf pistol and on to her new 9mm. I always remind her when she misses, honey, you need to shoot these firearms exactly like you shot your airgun, at which time she follows through correctly and doesn't punch the trigger, in her case she tends to punch it down when not concentrating on her form.

Some tips - a good medium to lighter weight trigger goes a long way. A longer sight radius goes a long way. Yes, the pistol must feel good in hand. Avoid cheaply made inexpensive pistols. Try to pick a pistol with a low bore to web of hand axis, this helps mitigating muzzle flip. These attributes I just mentioned uncheck a portion of the pistols in this thread.

The most reliable and accurate pistols I've owned were and are the STI 2011's in 40S&W. Get the mags tuned, the extractor too, don't put screwed up reloads in it, and they are GTG. My Glocks malfunctioned more. I've won plenty of matches with both. That being said I certainly wouldn't carry a full sized 2011.

Man I wish I could get a reliable 1.5lb trigger in a Highpower! Well after having the slide fit to the frame of course. It's my favorite feeling pistol. I had one magnaported like 25 years ago. Even though it was miner power factor I'd win our local IPSC matches more often than not.

The arms race, do you old guys remember, lol, Then I got the first G22 in 1990, 16 rounds of major power factor, I won for months until another good shooter showed up with one too.

Arms race continues...Then Para Ordnance P16 came out. I put a RD and comp on it. Restrictions came so I sold it.

Getting more serious, then the STI 2011 arrives, ouch, took it up a couple notches higher. I quit looking for alternatives because every time I try some other wonder nine it's the same floppy flish packaged a different way.

Ramble ramble.
 
Hey, I get it; I wasn't expecting the comment to go over big. To each their own.

In '66 we would all settle into our slung rifle positions in circles around a white painted oil drum with black dots 2"-3"? in diameter. I do not recall anyone either cocking or triggering their rifles, we just kept a correct sight picture while slowly drawing the trigger back to the stop. We did this every day for a couple of hours.

The exercise was intended to stretch and limber our muscles so we could hold the positions when the time came for actual live fire. It was 52 years ago, but I don't clearly recall ever being instructed to dry fire, not even with the 1911. I only touch the trigger when I intend to actually fire.

I do enough live fire that dry fire isn't really an issue for me. At 72, I'm not gonna start now. Anyone wants to dry fire, that's fine with me, it just not my own personal preference.

Greg
 
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Have you shot a 22TCM? Very similar in giant boomy-ness, it is great.

The .22 TCM is a pleasure to shoot, when you have the proper low weight slide spring in, the action glides back and forth like butter and it hardly recoils at all. Amazing penetrating power, however it probably won't put the "stop" on something very quickly due to the small size, but it would probably be very deadly a few minutes later.
 
Hey, I get it; I wasn't expecting the comment to go over big. To each their own.

In '66 we would all settle into our slung rifle positions in circles around a white painted oil drum with black dots 2"-3"? in diameter. I do not recall anyone either cocking or triggering their rifles, we just kept a correct sight picture while slowly drawing the trigger back to the stop. We did this every day for a couple of hours.

The exercise was intended to stretch and limber our muscles so we could hold the positions when the time came for actual live fire. It was 52 years ago, but I don't clearly recall ever being instructed to dry fire, not even with the 1911. I only touch the trigger when I intend to actually fire.

I do enough live fire that dry fire isn't really an issue for me. At 72, I'm not gonna start now. Anyone wants to dry fire, that's fine with me, it just not my own personal preference.

Greg
I'm certainly not going to try to change your mind, your comment just really surprised me.

The only thing I'll add is that your last paragraph is what i think a lot of people think. I used to think that too. At the time I thought that, I typically shot 3- 5 days a week, at work and after work.

Today, I shoot almost every single day, and I realize I was wrong back then.

Of course, it all depends what level of ability you want, and what your idea of ability means. Pure accuracy is much easier to maintain compared to speed and accuracy.
 
Ok mu two cents .

Ergonomics : Check how the gun fits your hand . Make sure you can operate controls ( slide release ) without having to move hand all over to reach . Rack the slide . Sounds stupid right . Well some people have trouble with backstrap safeties as well as different spring weights .

Sight aquisition : Get your grip at compressed ready and push out . How easily do you get sight aquisition?

Rent : Rent the ones that pass the above tests . Note the ones that you shoot well and your hand seems to love . Rent the ones you like again .

Hit your buddies up : Go to the range with your buddies and shoot what they have .
You may find what you like .

Consider a .22 . It is hard to break bad habits and the lack of recoil with focused practice will speed you along .

Dry fire dry fire dry fire . Dry firing removes the flinch and muscle memories trigger , proper sight alignment , grip and stance . It will become a hard wired subconscious skill . It will save you thousands of dollars in ammo if you do it alot . In fact in this thread is the first time I have ever seen someone pointedly speak against it . Dry fire is king .

Finally keep in mind that your shooting ability and the intangables of feel will change and mature . Heck you may find after three months you like aomething else . Dont sweat it . Now you have a reason to buy another gun . Oh and dont1 just shoot . See how many others you can infect . Then sit back a quitely pat yourself on the back for bringing shooters into the fold . Whatever you decide I wish you luck and hope you enjoy it as much as I do .
 
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I find the grip angle and ergonomics of the Glock to be piss poor.
1911's can be very reliable. Just don't get a "match" gun. There is a reason they still dominate the open class of IPSC.
I am very partial to CZ's, they feel natural in my hand, are very accurate, as reliable as any other semi-auto handgun.
I am also partial to revolvers. Stupid easy to load, shoot and unload and as reliable as they come.
A good .357 mag is very hard to beat, for concerns of angry hogs, 158 grain hard cast semi-wadcutter.
I get a kick out of the glock fanboys and their insistence that the glock is so superior to anything else. Glocks are good, after all, they use the tilting barrel system invented by JM Browning. You know, the same guy that invented the 1911 and Hi-Power.
 
Ok... As a hunting Texan who kills quite a few pigs ever year and carries pistol in basically same situation s you mention...

DONT GET A 22! Unless you get a 22 to learn and another gun to carry...
Any pig over 60 pounds you are not finishing it effectively with a 22. They are wired up on adrenaline after the first shot. Not a good deal... Not effective... Not humane

If you were JUST killing pigs, I'd say 45. But if your only getting one gun. Go 9mm. My hand loves CZs and FNs... Buuut I'm broke so I shoot a CZ clone tangfolio cause the grip fits my hand really well. Your mileage may very

Lastly on real critters make sure your getting hollow points... Just ball doesn't transfer near the energy
 
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Tanfoglio made CZ clones are excellent, budget guns.
They are very well made, accurate and will save you a bit of coin.
Ensure your EAA purchases are Tanfoglio, i'm not too certain about the Turkish made firearms they sell.
 
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I've carried a pistol for work for 15 years so far. Almost 9 years of that time was time in the desert, patrolling some god forsaken country on horses, quads, and trucks.

If I was going to pick one automatic to go with me, and concealment wasn't a concern, I would choose the Glock 17. I'm not a Glock fanboy, in fact, I hate them. But, they work, they are easy to maintain and when they break (all pistols break) they are easy to fix.

If round count and the possibilty of a fight were not a concern, then you really cant beat a S&W model 65.

My opinion, take it for what you will.
 
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