First Post Got a few questions

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Hey guys this is obviously my first post on the forum. Anyways a little about me... Im 15, and started shooting uspsa around august of this year. i have been interested in guns since i can rember and have finally started shooting seriously,but i have been shooting all of my life. So now i want to move to precision rifles (which i have always wanted to do). So my boss said that he will trade me work for a rifle. the two rifles are a FN spr and a Savage 110, both in 308. The FN is new and the savage is a little older. What are your guys opinions on the two guns? Pros and cons of both?

I will be using the rifle, which ever i choose to shoot some of the local long range and sniper matches. I would love to move to really long range in the future. i also plan on doing some hunting in the future aswell. Also i reload for my 9mm and plan to do the same for the 308. any and all advice would me much apreciated. also once i get my rifle it would be cool if anyone localy wanted to got to the range and do some shooting.Thanks Jesse
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njlohmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rifle is the easy decision. Go with the FN SPR, now the hard part is picking out an optic. </div></div>

+1 on the rifle choice and the optics dilema.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JxMAN25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys this is obviously my first post on the forum. Anyways a little about me... Im 15, and started shooting uspsa around august of this year. i have been interested in guns since i can rember and have finally started shooting seriously,but i have been shooting all of my life. So now i want to move to precision rifles (which i have always wanted to do). So my boss said that he will trade me work for a rifle. the two rifles are a FN spr and a Savage 110, both in 308. The FN is new and the savage is a little older. What are your guys opinions on the two guns? Pros and cons of both?

I will be using the rifle, which ever i choose to shoot some of the local long range and sniper matches. I would love to move to really long range in the future. i also plan on doing some hunting in the future aswell. Also i reload for my 9mm and plan to do the same for the 308.<span style="color: #FF0000"> any and all advice would me much apreciated.</span> also once i get my rifle it would be cool if anyone localy wanted to got to the range and do some shooting.Thanks Jesse </div></div>

Jesse,

Welcome to the Hide!

Since you've shot USPSA then you are familiar with major and minor scoring and different classifications.There's usually no such thing at so called "sniper matches".BTW these days the politically correct lingo for them are Tactical precision rifle matches,near as I can tell.I just call them Tactical matches.At the TM's I've been to they heap all competitors together no matter who they are or what gun/cartridge they are shooting.

You mentioned that eventually you wanted to shoot really long range someday.In which case there are cartridges you could consider that shoot flatter and blow about half as much in the wind than 308.Judging wind at long range will be the biggest detriment to hitting steel.So having a cartridge that shoots higher ballistic coefficient bullets helps offset some wind estimation error.6mm,6.5mm and 7mm are good for that.Recoil and barrel life are considerations.6.5 is probably the best compromise.I prefer 6mm because I'm already vested heavily in the specific cartridge I chose years ago.My only complaint is barrel life.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a 308 any more than I'd say there's anything wrong with 9mm.You can go shoot both and have a great time and even win.I just wanted you to know about alternatives.

There's nothing wrong with Savages,I can't believe I just wrote that,shriek,LOL,
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They are without a doubt good shooters for the money.Also you can order after market barrels for them and with a few specific tools and with proper knowledgeable adult supervision change the barrel-cartridge reasonably cheap.

Currently I think Tikka T3's are the best stock rifles to have and build from.Slickest action on the market for less than $1000.The ones I've shot were amazing!Accurate,good trigger, wonderful action.Knowing what I know now If I were starting over I'd pick Tikka.

I'm assuming you help out at a gun shop and you have to pick which guns are on the shelf?
 
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yes in a sence. i have been helping robert wright at R&R targets working on the segas. as of right now 308 would be cheaper to shoot for me but in the future could i change the caliber of the FN? and yes choosing an optic will be hard. I have $400 for the scope. any reomendations? thanks for all the help guys.
 
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FN SPR is the way to go. As far as the .308 it a good round to learn how to read the wind. Once you have the wind down and switch to a 6.5 you'll think it's cheating. As far as scopes go I would point you in the direction of the Vortex Viper or Viper HS. Since, Vortex came out with the Viper PST you might find one of the others on sale here at the Hide. If not the Viper is $399 and the Viper HS is $449 (just a little more).

Good luck and have fun,

Jamie
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JxMAN25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes in a sence. i have been helping robert wright at R&R targets working on the segas. as of right now 308 would be cheaper to shoot for me but in the future could i change the caliber of the FN? and yes choosing an optic will be hard. I have $400 for the scope. any reomendations? thanks for all the help guys. </div></div>

Yes you can change barrels on the FN.I paid a little over $500 last time I had a new premium barrel put on my rifle,gunsmithing included.

Whatever cartridge you end up getting I'd suggest buying new brass all of the same lot for precision shooting.Anytime you start using mixed up range brass good groups and precision go out the window quick.

SWFA Super Snipers are good scopes for the money.Here on the Hide I've bought a few used ones for $250.If you can find a Bushnell Tactical 3-12x44 you'll have a fantastic scope for the money.You might be able to find one for a little less than $500.
 
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Check out the for sale section here for a good used optic. Bushnells also come up pretty often. An Elite 4200 Tactical 6-24x50 could be had in your price range. I had this same scope and shot it in comps and it worked great.

As for the gun, I'm biased towards Savages. I used to shoot my factory model 10 308 out to 1000yd without a problem. Choose the gun you feel best behind. Good luck!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JxMAN25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys this is obviously my first post on the forum. Anyways a little about me... Im 15, and started shooting uspsa around august of this year. i have been interested in guns since i can rember and have finally started shooting seriously,but i have been shooting all of my life. So now i want to move to precision rifles (which i have always wanted to do). So my boss said that he will trade me work for a rifle. the two rifles are a FN spr and a Savage 110, both in 308. The FN is new and the savage is a little older. What are your guys opinions on the two guns? Pros and cons of both?

I will be using the rifle, which ever i choose to shoot some of the local long range and sniper matches. I would love to move to really long range in the future. i also plan on doing some hunting in the future aswell. Also i reload for my 9mm and plan to do the same for the 308.<span style="color: #FF0000"> any and all advice would me much apreciated.</span> also once i get my rifle it would be cool if anyone localy wanted to got to the range and do some shooting.Thanks Jesse </div></div>

Jesse,

Welcome to the Hide!

Since you've shot USPSA then you are familiar with major and minor scoring and different classifications.There's usually no such thing at so called "sniper matches".BTW these days the politically correct lingo for them are Tactical precision rifle matches,near as I can tell.I just call them Tactical matches.At the TM's I've been to they heap all competitors together no matter who they are or what gun/cartridge they are shooting.

You mentioned that eventually you wanted to shoot really long range someday.In which case there are cartridges you could consider that shoot flatter and blow about half as much in the wind than 308.Judging wind at long range will be the biggest detriment to hitting steel.So having a cartridge that shoots higher ballistic coefficient bullets helps offset some wind estimation error.6mm,<span style="color: #CC0000">6.5mm </span>and 7mm are good for that.Recoil and barrel life are considerations.<span style="color: #FF0000">6.5</span> is probably the best compromise.I prefer 6mm because I'm already vested heavily in the specific cartridge I chose years ago.My only complaint is barrel life.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a 308 any more than I'd say there's anything wrong with 9mm.You can go shoot both and have a great time and even win.I just wanted you to know about alternatives.

There's nothing wrong with Savages,I can't believe I just wrote that,shriek,LOL,
smile.gif
They are without a doubt good shooters for the money.Also you can order after market barrels for them and with a few specific tools and with proper knowledgeable adult supervision change the barrel-cartridge reasonably cheap.

Currently I think Tikka T3's are the best stock rifles to have and build from.Slickest action on the market for less than $1000.The ones I've shot were amazing!Accurate,good trigger, wonderful action.Knowing what I know now If I were starting over I'd pick Tikka.

I'm assuming you help out at a gun shop and you have to pick which guns are on the shelf? </div></div>

i looked in my load book and dident find just a 6.5mm which are you talking about
 
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6.5mm is the metric designation for caliber which is the same as .264 caliber here in the US.

260 Remington,6.5 Creedmoore and 6.5x47 Lapua are the most common cartridges used.They all have strong followings.
 
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Another thing to add. Download a basic free ballistic app like Bergers or JBM or whatever is free now I honestly dont know what is, and enter in different calibers and see what the differences are form one to another. change the wind speeds and you will really see the difference. I do this all the time for guys who dont seem to quite understand the differences between calibers. All you need to know is velocity, bullet size and weight to get a good enough idea of what your going to get from desired calibers. Obviously it wont be perfect by any means but it will give you a close estimation of everything. Stick with a 308 for now but when your ready to move on, this will help you a lot in your decision, it certainly did for me.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JxMAN25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes in a sence. i have been helping robert wright at R&R targets working on the segas. as of right now 308 would be cheaper to shoot for me but in the future could i change the caliber of the FN? and yes choosing an optic will be hard. I have $400 for the scope. any reomendations? thanks for all the help guys. </div></div>

Get a Super Sniper fixed from SWFA, your choice as to 10x 16x or 20x but you will probably see less mirage and get on target quicker with 10x.

As far as changing calibur goes, it can be done on almost any rifle, but new barrels and changes can get cost as much as a new Savage....
 
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JxMan,

I am sorry I have nothing to share about your rifle project. The previous posters have WAAAAAY more rifle knowledge than I. BUT. . I applaud you for coming into the sport. There is seemingly not that much NEW interest in many shooting sports. I shoot USPSA, some 3-gun, trap and skeet. I'm 38yoa, and sometimes, I feel like the youngster!! SCARY!!!!
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So, get some of your friends into the sport so the shooting sports keep thriving!!

Before you know it, you'll be shooting a custom "X" rifle with some exotic caliber with a 2.4 BC. DOH!!

Welcome to the 'Hide, and to a new realm of shooting!

-G45
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Glock45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JxMan,

I am sorry I have nothing to share about your rifle project. The previous posters have WAAAAAY more rifle knowledge than I. BUT. . I applaud you for coming into the sport. There is seemingly not that much NEW interest in many shooting sports. I shoot USPSA, some 3-gun, trap and skeet. I'm 38yoa, and sometimes, I feel like the youngster!! SCARY!!!!
frown.gif


So, get some of your friends into the sport so the shooting sports keep thriving!!

Before you know it, you'll be shooting a custom "X" rifle with some exotic caliber with a 2.4 BC. DOH!!

Welcome to the 'Hide, and to a new realm of shooting!

-G45 </div></div>
thanks dude. I hardley ever see other juniors. but there are a few. Im goin to a uspsa match tommorow and i am at least 15 years younger than anyone else there. ~Jesse
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JxMAN25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks dude. I hardley ever see other juniors. but there are a few. Im goin to a uspsa match tommorow and i am at least 15 years younger than anyone else there. ~Jesse</div></div>
I love that feeling, I'm going to miss it once I'm no longer the young dog on the line
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: toolfanatic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">guess there's more of us newb's than I thought? Like the 10xSS but would like more magnification. </div></div>

As far as Noobism goes most of us are a Noob in one way or another, some guys may be the chit on bolt rifles but know or care little about shotguns, autoloaders, pistols etc.

Just make an attempt to search for your info before starting a new thread, then if you cannot find your info, go ahead and ask.

As far as Magnification goes, for field use 10x is all you need and in many cases all you want.

If you are shooting bench rest and are trying to shoot 0.15-0.2" groups, ya get a zillion power scope.

I know for a fact a ss10x mounted to a .300WM Sendero can shoot .5 MOA straight out of the box with hand loads, green shooter and cold wet bore sand bags under forestock and left hand supporting the buttstock at the shoulder.
 
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I was in the same boat as you last year Jesse! I'm 16 now. Went with the savage 12 in a .223. One because the FNs aren't left handed as far as I know. And two, because I already had a hunting rifle so I went with the cheaper caliber that has very low recoil to work on the basics with. Good info on these forums. If I were you I'd get the FN mostly because they come with better stocks right off the bat. I bought a cheap one first and don't like it a whole lot, so I'm either making one or getting a manners. Wish I could have a job involving rifles.. Target could be related if you don't think about it haha! As for a scope I'd save up. Had a bushnell before and just bought a PST 6-24 and what a difference! Can't even imagine what the scopes that cost thousands are like.

Anyways.. welcome!
 
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it is good to see young people getting into the shooting sport, I have shot benchrest competition for many years and the lack of young shooters entering the sport is one of its major down falls. I am new to the tactical shooting but enjoy it as much as anything I have done in shooting sports. The one thing that has always impressed me is people are always willing to help. Don't hesitate to ask questions because someone will offer help. Good to see you joining the sport.
 
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I would suggest the FN, I sold my custom savage for an FN and havent looked back. Buy all the glass you can afford. If you can wait a little longer and save up a little more for glass even better. Another option maybe buy what you can for now and think about upgrading the glass later. The FN is a tack driver you will not be disapointed.
 
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