Razor 1-10 isn’t bad, same with the atacr 1-8. The leupold mk8 cqbss appeared fairly flat to me as well. I looked through a short dot a few times but can’t remember if it had fisheye at 1x but the glass was incredible. VCOG-wise, the 1-6 is flat at 1x until the very edge then it starts to fisheye a bit. Havent looked through the 1-8 versions but I imagine they are similar
Great question. I wonder whether a LPVO really makes sense if I am also using an RMR? If I am doing an RMR why not go with a higher mag scope?
What’s it going on and how will you use it primarily?
For me, with an AR15, if I'm going with a 1nx scope I'd prefer something with a BDC reticle because I find them faster in the mid-range distances than a mil-based scope, which is typically what's in the higher power 1nx scopes (1-8x, 1-10x). A reticle like the Mk6's 5.56 CMR-W is simple and quick with elevation holds in 50m increments and wind holds in MPH. It's still easy to get hits to 800y on dude-sized targets with it as well, even though it's only 6x. I had a Holosun 507c in a Reptilia ROF mount on top of a Razor 2 1-6x for passive NV shooting and when they come out with a 34mm mount I'll put the Holosun on top of the Mk6. It really helps complement the weakness of the Mk6 which is 1x performance.
The mk6 is my favorite lpvo for small frame carbines though im also liking the vcog so far. At 1x w/the Mk6, if you’re eye is slightly off center, the center of the reticle seems to “disappear” but its not a big deal as you mention, 1x isn’t used unless it’s necessary for some reason.
I’m looking at this for a 18” 5.56 shooting heavier bullets. 8+ power is a decent mag range for that on steel, but a little more mag wouldn’t hurt. If I could get one optics to do 1-8 well that would be very efficient, but if I need an RMR anyway a higher mag scope could be good.
Sounds more like a DMR vs general purpose. If so it may be worth going to something with 15-20x on the high end (NF 4-16x42 for example) and a reticle optimized for precision vs speed. The rmr would be for point defense.
Again just an opinion but its Not worth the extra money given all these other lpvos at lower price points and similar capabilities/sufficiently similar build quality on the market now.
what’s the best way to ID one made by low? are they marked?
It's pretty easy.
The Burris xtrII 1-8 ffp and sfp are nearly criminally underrated. If you want a nuclear dot with clear glass get the SFP if you want a "bright enough reticle" with the FFP reticle perks get the FFP. I found two XTR II SFP for under $700 and it is just an insane value. I am sure hoping Burris decides to do an XTRIII LPVO, I will get one.
Thanks, I mean minimal fisheye and the like that makes the image in the scope look distorted relative to outside on 1x. Does that make sense?
I guess you did mention that earlier, so it's more about linear distortion - for example, if you're looking at a brick wall with straight horizontal and vertical lines and you look to the edge of the FOV through the scope, you want the lines to be straight and not bent inward (pincushion) or bent outward (barrel), is that correct?
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. I test for edge distortion in general (is it sharp or is it fuzzy) but I've never really tested for linear distortion, I do know that with some scopes, depending on eye position, you can really make the bottom of the reticle dance (where the reticle extends all the way out to the edge of FOV), I'm guessing these would have quite a bit of linear distortion when your eye is out of position. I just took my SAI6 outside and set on 1x against my brick siding and did notice some slight barrel distortion which was exacerbated by eye position but nothing too horrible. Not sure if a through the scope image would help here (especially since the lens on my camera may exhibit it's own level of linear distortion)...
My guess is going to be one of the highest dollar euro glassed LPVOs. But alas I have never beheld one.
What if the scope (s) with the least amount of edge curvature at 1x dont come with any reticles you like or other features you want? Are you only looking for something with a perfectly flat image at 1x and nothing else matters?
