Food for thought

[Texasflyer]

Watching this video and it made alot of good points. It started getting to the end and alot of things like lab grown meat and billionaires buying up farm land made some actual sense for a change. Not sure if this is whats really going on, but it merits some thought. I reccomend watching it, and would like to see what others think about it.

 

[pmclaine]

I didnt open the video but if the premise is that something in our food chain/environment is fucking up kids immune systems Im a believer and a parent of the victims.

The other part of the equation is pharma and the idea prescriptions are good bank.

Easy to do in a society looking to be labled.

 

[BullGear]

I don't know exactly what he's trying to point out since he's all over the map, but I have an autistic nephew. He was born perfectly normal and at about 2 years of age, something changed. There was no reason (outwardly) for the change, but there was a definite change. By the time he was 5, he needed help doing things that a child his age should be able to do. The child is now in his early 20s and through a lot of work and help, he is high functioning.

I don't have any idea what could cause this in children but I think there's a trigger that brings out this condition. Something the child is born with but is triggered (somewhat like cancer) to activate in the child's body. Is it a predetermined gene? Maybe.

Is it environmental, maybe, but I find that highly unlikely. Hold onto your hats, because this is one of Bullgear's way of the world ideas.

I believe that each parent brings to the child's makeup a gene or genes that when combined with their spouses gene makeup, predetermines the child's chance of Autism. I believe this is why there are so many degrees of autism. The mixture of genes from both parents will determine the degree of the condition. It's possible that each parent will not show any indication of the condition, but with the combination of both set of genes triggers this condition in the child. However that doesn't take into consideration that sibling show no form of this condition.

I would like to say that this condition will be eradicated by research, but I don't really believe that.

 

[pmclaine]

Watched it, makes sense.

but.......

Farmers are good people and many will be deeply upset if you attack glyphosate in any way.

I assume part of the reason for that but also knowing them to be good people I cant overcome the contradiction of the outcome IF what is supposed of glyphosate is true.

 

[Texasflyer]

Watched it, makes sense.

but.......

Farmers are good people and many will be deeply upset if you attack glyphosate in any way.

I assume part of the reason for that but also knowing them to be good people I cant overcome the contradiction of the outcome IF what is supposed of glyphosate is true.

I know it didnt strike me as bullshit. I own a farm myself, and am from farming men, not a new money entry into it. People think farmers are not the smartest people, but from my experience they are very deep pools, not shallow ponds.

 

[pmclaine]

I don't know exactly what he's trying to point out since he's all over the map, but I have an autistic nephew. He was born perfectly normal and at about 2 years of age, something changed. There was no reason (outwardly) for the change, but there was a definite change. By the time he was 5, he needed help doing things that a child his age should be able to do. The child is now in his early 20s and through a lot of work and help, he is high functioning.

I don't have any idea what could cause this in children but I think there's a trigger that brings out this condition. Something the child is born with but is triggered (somewhat like cancer) to activate in the child's body. Is it a predetermined gene? Maybe.

Is it environmental, maybe, but I find that highly unlikely. Hold onto your hats, because this is one of Bullgear's way of the world ideas.

I believe that each parent brings to the child's makeup a gene or genes that when combined with their spouses gene makeup, predetermines the child's chance of Autism. I believe this is why there are so many degrees of autism. The mixture of genes from both parents will determine the degree of the condition. It's possible that each parent will not show any indication of the condition, but with the combination of both set of genes triggers this condition in the child. However that doesn't take into consideration that sibling show no form of this condition.

I would like to say that this condition will be eradicated by research, but I don't really believe that.

My son was one of the popular kids, lots of friends, a typical boy up until the day we can pin point he wasnt.

He changed like a light switch had been flicked and suffered anxiety to the point he wouldnt do school, stopped going out without parents, couldnt play baseball because he thought he would die.

He was diagnosed with PANDAS which they surmise is the result of a leaky blood brain barrier and the body's immune system attacks the amygdala/limbic system and causes either "fight or flight" anxiety or tics and OCD disorders.

He had 4-5 repetitive bouts of strep within a two month period and that is thought to play a roll in ramping up the immune system into a frenzy to attack healthy structures.....but still why the leaky blood/brain barrier thats supposed to be level 100 ballistic proof?

My daughters Type I diabetic.

Who knows, maybe my wife and I just suck as a genetic match but than you start talking to other people and hear of similar afflictions and I remember my own childhood and think "We never had any of this shit".

Something changed.

Some of it is our sucky society......if Einstein were born today he in his weirdness would have been medicated into nothingness. Some people are just weird or different perhaps due to being advanced in other ways than the norm. Yet people want to lable them and get them into a lifetime of pharma.

But some shit is medical/environmental.

Both kids seemed to have a lot of strep/ear infections when young that had us seeing pink amoxicillin in the fridge more often than not.

I wonder if that frequent antibiotic use played a roll.....again I never remember going through that as a kid or having my friends experience it. Strep is no joke and needs treatment but it must not have been so prevalent or stronger immune systems handled it better. ear aches were treated with ear drops in my day not antibiotics.

I dont know maybe as an "afflicted" person Im just more attuned to it and numbers have not changed.

 

[pmclaine]

I know it didnt strike me as bullshit. I own a farm myself, and am from farming men, not a new money entry into it. People think farmers are not the smartest people, but from my experience they are very deep pools, not shallow ponds.

They have to be smart.

Have to know environmental science, be capable of running a business, mechanics, irrigation specialist, IT savvy....probably more.

 

[mrdrar]

My son was one of the popular kids, lots of friends, a typical boy up until the day we can pin point he wasnt.

He changed like a light switch had been flicked and suffered anxiety to the point he wouldnt do school, stopped going out without parents, couldnt play baseball because he thought he would die.

He was diagnosed with PANDAS which they surmise is the result of a leaky blood brain barrier and the body's immune system attacks the amygdala/limbic system and causes either "fight or flight" anxiety or tics and OCD disorders.

He had 4-5 repetitive bouts of strep within a two month period and that is thought to play a roll in ramping up the immune system into a frenzy to attack healthy structures.....but still why the leaky blood/brain barrier thats supposed to be level 100 ballistic proof?

My daughters Type I diabetic.

Who knows, maybe my wife and I just suck as a genetic match but than you start talking to other people and hear of similar afflictions and I remember my own childhood and think "We never had any of this shit".

Something changed.

Some of it is our sucky society......if Einstein were born today he in his weirdness would have been medicated into nothingness. Some people are just weird or different perhaps due to being advanced in other ways than the norm. Yet people want to lable them and get them into a lifetime of pharma.

But some shit is medical/environmental.

Both kids seemed to have a lot of strep/ear infections when young that had us seeing pink amoxicillin in the fridge more often than not.

I wonder if that frequent antibiotic use played a roll.....again I never remember going through that as a kid or having my friends experience it. Strep is no joke and needs treatment but it must not have been so prevalent or stronger immune systems handled it better. ear aches were treated with ear drops in my day not antibiotics.

I dont know maybe as an "afflicted" person Im just more attuned to it and numbers have not changed.

Ear drops were abandoned because they don't get past the tympanic membrane (ear drum) until after it perforates--after that they are no longer needed as the infection drains.

 

[Maggot]

The Hippies, bless their peace loving little hearts, had a saying Ive always found worth learning from.

"You are what you eat"

Supersize me, baby.

 

[Mwalex]

Today's farmers are smarter than most people and work a lot harder than most also. What it takes to farm successfully now is completely different than thirty years ago. You need to know a certain amount of weed science, soil science, some chemistry helps and have a good grasp on technology.

Some counter information:

"Except RoundUp ready crops have a glyphosate-insensitive transgene, CP4 EPSP synthase, that confers crop resistance to glyphosate. This allows the Shikimate pathway to proceed unfettered, which is the whole point! RoundUp crops continue to produce aromatic amino acids even after treatment with glyphosate and so the levels of aromatic amino acids in GMO crops are unchanged from their conventional counterparts. In other words, they are substantially equivalent in amino acid content and nutritional value."

The "worried wealthy" and glyphosate - Alliance for Science

Fear-mongering documentaries work against the shared values of decreasing the global environmental footprint of food production while cutting down on the use of harmful pesticides and carbon emissions for the future well-being of agriculture and the planet.

allianceforscience.cornell.edu

 

[orkan]

"Except RoundUp ready crops have a glyphosate-insensitive transgene, CP4 EPSP synthase, that confers crop resistance to glyphosate. This allows the Shikimate pathway to proceed unfettered, which is the whole point! RoundUp crops continue to produce aromatic amino acids even after treatment with glyphosate and so the levels of aromatic amino acids in GMO crops are unchanged from their conventional counterparts. In other words, they are substantially equivalent in amino acid content and nutritional value."

Sorry but, I can't get on board with dumping hundreds of thousands of tons of chemicals on the same dirt every single year being a good thing.

Nope.

 

[Texasflyer]

This is one of those key peices that fits the puzzle, and it doesnt seem like somebody trimmed the peice to fit either. I agree that if we poisioned our own well, that gmo foods would be the best answer, fits the puzzle. Everything, the water, rain, plants and animals... its a were fucked scenario and it doesnt come with any neat little answer either... just, you as a human were fucked from the start by the humans before you. Its oddly comforting. The side effects he talked about, my grandma had dementia, my uncle has parkinsons, his wife has panic attacks and a zanax addiction, my mom just beat cancer, my grandfather died with alzheimers, other grandfather of cancer. I dont go to the doctor, i eat mostly meat i shoot, very little veggies, no pills, thinkin about cutting out water cause fish fuck in it.... in pretty healthy even though i smoke 2 packs of cowboy killers a day and drink when i want to and sleep with loose sickly women. Wonder how long itll last? At 40 i have still amazing eyesight, my highschool build, no medical conditions, shit hearing though lol, doubt thats monsantos fault though lol.

 

[goinghunting]

Sorry but, I can't get on board with dumping hundreds of thousands of tons of chemicals on the same dirt every single year being a good thing.

Nope.

You do realize that with Glyphosate for example, the use rate is typically anywhere from 20-32 fluid ounces per acre...

 

[Mwalex]

Sorry but, I can't get on board with dumping hundreds of thousands of tons of chemicals on the same dirt every single year being a good thing.

Nope.

And that is your right just make sure you know and understand the reality of what is actually happening and the degradation properties of the chemistry.

 

[Texasflyer]

Today's farmers are smarter than most people and work a lot harder than most also. What it takes to farm successfully now is completely different than thirty years ago. You need to know a certain amount of weed science, soil science, some chemistry helps and have a good grasp on technology.

Some counter information:

"Except RoundUp ready crops have a glyphosate-insensitive transgene, CP4 EPSP synthase, that confers crop resistance to glyphosate. This allows the Shikimate pathway to proceed unfettered, which is the whole point! RoundUp crops continue to produce aromatic amino acids even after treatment with glyphosate and so the levels of aromatic amino acids in GMO crops are unchanged from their conventional counterparts. In other words, they are substantially equivalent in amino acid content and nutritional value."

The "worried wealthy" and glyphosate - Alliance for Science

Fear-mongering documentaries work against the shared values of decreasing the global environmental footprint of food production while cutting down on the use of harmful pesticides and carbon emissions for the future well-being of agriculture and the planet.

allianceforscience.cornell.edu

I was working earlier and didnt have a chance to read the article. Now that i have i have to say that was an incredibly well written article. Thank you for posting it, and now im sitting here pretty aware of how much i have no idea about...

 

[pmclaine]

Ear drops were abandoned because they don't get past the tympanic membrane (ear drum) until after it perforates--after that they are no longer needed as the infection drains.

Last ear ache I had was in Parris Island.

Probably related to dry socket wisdom teeth removal bullshit.

BAS gave me those "oily" ear drops that I guess had some sort of topical anesthetic in it in addition to the antibiotic. I know they reduced the pain or the placebo effect did anyway.

Thing about amoxicillin is it did nothing for pain and when getting medicine resistant kids to take that was a chore following it up with liquid pain/fever medicine was just a bridge too far.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

My son loved Hawaiian sweet rolls when he was little, still does actually (However, they are home made now). He ended up getting eczema really bad. So, had him tested for allergies and he's allergic to wheat. The funny thing is he can eat wheat that was grown and processed in Europe with no reactions. However, wheat grown in the US fucks him up. So, I can definitely see food being fucked up with Glyphosate.

https://www.foeeurope.org/sites/default/files/press_releases/foee_4_human_contamination_glyphosate.pdf

 

[Texasflyer]

@Mwalex i almost missed it, the whole change to non gmo food bit, he like slipped it in all sly... when i heard it i thought it was strange but didnt dwell on it, just before though he was saying it was in the rain even... no escape, in the dirt. Perspective is important, everyone has biases and getting a big picture takes more than watching one little video. Thinking about the article vs the video it hit me that it was sly, but still there. Its an interesting topic for sure.

 

[orkan]

You do realize that with Glyphosate for example, the use rate is typically anywhere from 20-32 fluid ounces per acre...

Every single farmer I know or have met, over-applies round up. Not by a lot, but for certain a little. "got to get it killed hur hur!"

I'm bad at math, but maybe I can handle this one. Lets see.

640 acres in a section. 1/4 gallon per acre. 160 gallons per section. 880lbs per section.

Over 810,000 acres of farm land in just one county. 202,500 gallons of round up. 1,113,750 lbs.

That's 557 tons of chemical in one single county, and it gets applied every single year at least one time. ...and that's just ONE chemical. The rest of the trash they spray/apply is just as staggering.

Now how much farm ground is in the united states?

There is no way this can be good.

 

[aviumvenator]

You do realize that with Glyphosate for example, the use rate is typically anywhere from 20-32 fluid ounces per acre...

Cropland- About 349 million acres in the U.S. are planted for crops. Feeder corn (80 million acres), soybeans (75 million acres), alfalfa hay (61 million acres) and wheat (62 million acres) -- make up 80 percent of total crop acreage.

Corn and soybeans accounts for 155 m acres. At 20 ounces per acre that comes out to about 66,000 tons.

 

[pmclaine]

"Except RoundUp ready crops have a glyphosate-insensitive transgene, CP4 EPSP synthase, that confers crop resistance to glyphosate. This allows the Shikimate pathway to proceed unfettered, which is the whole point! RoundUp crops continue to produce aromatic amino acids even after treatment with glyphosate and so the levels of aromatic amino acids in GMO crops are unchanged from their conventional counterparts. In other words, they are substantially equivalent in amino acid content and nutritional value."

The "worried wealthy" and glyphosate - Alliance for Science

Fear-mongering documentaries work against the shared values of decreasing the global environmental footprint of food production while cutting down on the use of harmful pesticides and carbon emissions for the future well-being of agriculture and the planet.

allianceforscience.cornell.edu

Is this the Monsanto seed that produces good crop but the plants are barren and the farmer must agreee to buy more of their seed exclusively?

I may have that all screwed up in understanding.

If its legit though its not a comforting relationship between supplier and user and Id have concerns about the viability of the plant over time.

Kind of have the mindset "Darwin" does a better job than science when it comes to life.

 

[pmclaine]

My son loved Hawaiian sweet rolls when he was little, still does actually (However, they are home made now). He ended up getting eczema really bad. So, had him tested for allergies and he's allergic to wheat. The funny thing is he can eat wheat that was grown and processed in Europe with no reactions. However, wheat grown in the US fucks him up. So, I can definitely see food being fucked up with Glyphosate.

https://www.foeeurope.org/sites/default/files/press_releases/foee_4_human_contamination_glyphosate.pdf

Gluten allergies are one of those things that seem to have exploded.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

https://www.ecowatch.com/results-of-glyphosate-pee-test-are-in-and-its-not-good-news-1891129531.html

 

[Rthur]

Round up goes inert in short order after contact to dirt.
Look up ground water concerns with previous versions of incorporating chemicals and runoff.
Or nitrates in wells.
Delt with the above concerns for 30 years.
Much of the "news" about GMOs was paid for by syngenta, the European's version of Monsanto.
An economic game to keep the money flowing to Syngenta/keep competition out of Europe.
As far as the modified seed, time will tell.
Btw Syngenta has their own versions as well.
The US has enjoyed the highest quality "cheap" food on the face of the earth.
The fucked up trade deals will kill that.

R

 

[orkan]

I could explain in painful detail all the ways this chemical assault in farming has affected my life and that of my family's over the past 20 years... but no one gives a shit. Least of which, farmers. ... and why would they? They just want to farm and make money.

I knew farmers wouldn't stop using it all... so we moved to where the ground was so rough there were no farmers. It's been 3 years of bliss. I haven't been sick in 3 years. (vs. 2-3 times a year) My family's immune systems are healing. Serious "unknown immune system problems" that no doctor in the country could adequately diagnose or treat... miraculously going away on their own.

So spray your fields with agent orange and DDT if that's what you want. There will be a reckoning.

 

[Mwalex]

Is this the Monsanto seed that produces good crop but the plants are barren and the farmer must agreee to buy more of their seed exclusively?

I may have that all screwed up in understanding.

If its legit though its not a comforting relationship between supplier and user and Id have concerns about the viability of the plant over time.

Kind of have the mindset "Darwin" does a better job than science when it comes to life.

Yeah, that was certainly the case for while and it might still be. Monsanto did some pretty shitty things such as the seed carryover result you mentioned and requiring that farmers pay a technology fee per acre or pound of seed, I cannot remember which one. There are other non-Monsanto herbicide tolerant seeds in the market but glyphosate was, or possibly still is, the best non-selective option.

It is interesting that you mentioned "Darwin" because the traits that make a crop tolerant to glyphosate have been crossing over into weed species, making them glyphosate tolerant. That is not exclusive to glyphosate by any means but it happens at a greater rate due to the acreage of Monsanto based crops.

Also, rather then gene insertion (ala Monsanto) one of their competitors was creating herbicide tolerance through natural selection. You get to the same point eventually regardless of the process.

 

[pmclaine]

Round up goes inert in short order after contact to dirt.
Look up ground water concerns with previous versions of incorporating chemicals and runoff.
Or nitrates in wells.
Delt with the above concerns for 30 years.
Much of the "news" about GMOs was paid for by syngenta, the European's version of Monsanto.
An economic game to keep the money flowing to Syngenta/keep competition out of Europe.
As far as the modified seed, time will tell.
Btw Syngenta has their own versions as well.
The US has enjoyed the highest quality "cheap" food on the face of the earth.
The fucked up trade deals will kill that.

R

I cant decide "thumbs up" emoji or "sad face".....

 

[Mwalex]

I could explain in painful detail all the ways this chemical assault in farming has affected my life and that of my family's over the past 20 years... but no one gives a shit. Least of which, farmers. ... and why would they? They just want to farm and make money.

I knew farmers wouldn't stop using it all... so we moved to where the ground was so rough there were no farmers. It's been 3 years of bliss. I haven't been sick in 3 years. (vs. 2-3 times a year) My family's immune systems are healing. Serious "unknown immune system problems" that no doctor in the country could adequately diagnose or treat... miraculously going away on their own.

So spray your fields with agent orange and DDT if that's what you want. There will be a reckoning.

Are you saying the health issues are due to intake with food, water or exposure during application?

 

[Mwalex]

Round up goes inert in short order after contact to dirt.
Look up ground water concerns with previous versions of incorporating chemicals and runoff.
Or nitrates in wells.
Delt with the above concerns for 30 years.
Much of the "news" about GMOs was paid for by syngenta, the European's version of Monsanto.
An economic game to keep the money flowing to Syngenta/keep competition out of Europe.
As far as the modified seed, time will tell.
Btw Syngenta has their own versions as well.
The US has enjoyed the highest quality "cheap" food on the face of the earth.
The fucked up trade deals will kill that.

R

Syngenta and Dow have their own glyphosate tolerant crops, as do MANY other companies. Monsanto is the 800 pound gorilla and are hated outside the US because of how they do business in Europe.

 

[pmclaine]

Yeah, that was certainly the case for while and it might still be. Monsanto did some pretty shitty things such as the seed carryover result you mentioned and requiring that farmers pay a technology fee per acre or pound of seed, I cannot remember which one. There are other non-Monsanto herbicide tolerant seeds in the market but glyphosate was, or possibly still is, the best non-selective option.

It is interesting that you mentioned "Darwin" because the traits that make a crop tolerant to glyphosate have been crossing over into weed species, making them glyphosate tolerant. That is not exclusive to glyphosate by any means but it happens at a greater rate due to the acreage of Monsanto based crops.

Also, rather then gene insertion (ala Monsanto) one of their competitors was creating herbicide tolerance through natural selection. You get to the same point eventually regardless of the process.

The natural selection process scares me less.

There are fuck up though...

This...

can be made into this....

 

[W54/XM-388]

I don't know exactly what he's trying to point out since he's all over the map, but I have an autistic nephew. He was born perfectly normal and at about 2 years of age, something changed. There was no reason (outwardly) for the change, but there was a definite change.

Did you check for any correlational in regards to the timings when they got shoved a whole big batch of vaccines stuffed with all kind of toxic chemicals, including stuff specifically to get it to get into your brain and keep your body from flushing it out?

 

[Mwalex]

The natural selection process scares me less.

There are fuck up though...

This...

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can be made into this....

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Just keep in mind, in the context of herbicide tolerant seeds, the end products are the exact same regardless of lab or environmental manipulations. The gene manipulations can insert "other" traits, such as reduced output from carryover seeds.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Syngenta and Dow have their own glyphosate tolerant crops, as do MANY other companies. Monsanto is the 800 pound gorilla and are hated outside the US because of how they do business in Europe.

Monsanto (now of course owned by Bayer of 3rd Reich fame) deserves every last little bit of hatred they get and a ton more.
The stuff they were doing in Canada to farmers who wanted to grow organic crops was pure evil.

It's one of the things I find a lot of common ground with the hippie earth loving types.
Next time one of them asks why you need that scary black rifle, just say... because Monsanto.... They might suddenly agree.

 

[Mwalex]

Monsanto (now of course owned by Bayer of 3rd Reich fame) deserves every last little bit of hatred they get and a ton more.
The stuff they were doing in Canada to farmers who wanted to grow organic crops was pure evil.

It's one of the things I find a lot of common ground with the hippie earth loving types.
Next time one of them asks why you need that scary black rifle, just say... because Monsanto.... They might suddenly agree.

I have NEVER been a fan of their business practices, only their science.

 

[orkan]

Are you saying the health issues are due to intake with food, water or exposure during application?

All. The exposure during application caused trips to emergency room and WEEKS of hell. All because we accidentally drove down wind of a field getting hit.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I have NEVER been a fan of their business practices, only their science.

I wouldn't give them any credit for their "science" of evil.

Now if you want to see science done for the good of humanity, here is a true scientific hero:

Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Gluten allergies are one of those things that seem to have exploded.

He is not allergic to gluten. Which is good because he can eat high gluten rice.

 

[Mwalex]

All. The exposure during application caused trips to emergency room and WEEKS of hell. All because we accidentally drove down wind of a field getting hit.

I can certainly understand the exposure issues due to level of concentrations. The response might not have been due to glyphosate itself but the adjuvant needed for activity. There is a high concentration of adjuvant present in most glyphosate products that can be irritating. Regardless of that you were effected by a pesticide product. Sorry that happened.

 

[Mwalex]

I wouldn't give them any credit for their "science" of evil.

Now if you want to see science done for the good of humanity, here is a true scientific hero:

Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We will have to agree to disagree on their "science of evil". The best of intentions are ruined when profit can be attached.

 

[coachtech]

They are accomplishing their Intentions of greed and control.

Seig Heil

 

[oneshot86]

My son loved Hawaiian sweet rolls when he was little, still does actually (However, they are home made now). He ended up getting eczema really bad. So, had him tested for allergies and he's allergic to wheat. The funny thing is he can eat wheat that was grown and processed in Europe with no reactions. However, wheat grown in the US fucks him up. So, I can definitely see food being fucked up with Glyphosate.

https://www.foeeurope.org/sites/default/files/press_releases/foee_4_human_contamination_glyphosate.pdf

I don't have much time to post.
But, do searches of tooth decay and civilizations that have remains w all their teeth, it's few regions of the world and has to do w development of seed for wheats and and similar others, for production growing. Many centuries in the doing and topped off w new chemistry

 

[GrantB]

I’ve farmed for 40 years, livestock and row crops. Seems to me that farmers should have an elevated disease rate being exposed so much. I’m not saying that all the chemicals we use are harmless by any means but here’s the dilemma. If we stop using the modern marvels like oil based fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides, genetically modified plants and growth hormones the world’s farmers could not produce enough food for the current population. So it seems to me that the video is saying that we should go back to the old ways of farming which would require the population of around the 1900s. So isn’t this video telling me the same thing that Bill Gates and tree huggers have been saying all along, too many people on the earth. Just to give you a little perspective in the 70s we would feel blessed to harvest 30 to 35 bushel/acre soy beans and 60 and 70 bushel corn today we’re pushing 70 bushels soy beans and over 100 bushel corn per acre

 

[ggmanning]

I have literally bathed in glophos over the years before cabbed tractors. So has every farmer I know of as well as sucker spray, 2-4D, nitrogen, you name it. Farmers I know die old after years of working hard at honest labor and the good physical shape that kind of work provides. Few I know use primarily glyphos to burn down before field prep because there are far better faster products and no farmer worth a crap way over applies any chemicals. Primarily it's too damn costly in a business where fertilizer and chemical bills are the difference between making a living and not. Chemicals are measured carefully, input in the sprayer software and regulated to the fractional oz per acre output. Glyphos only gets used on livestock fence lines and glyphos ready corn and beans....and then only when needed to allow the crop to get up and shade out the weeds/grass on its' own. It's been out since the 60's and I guarantee was applied in much larger amounts to the acre for a few decades guessing output by speed, nozzles and pressure than today with modern computer controlled application programmed sprayers. If you want to starve as a country roll back modern farming. Farmers will keep growing in the old ways with old ways yields but they'll be the only ones eating.

All that said I am sure there are those that can be affected like Greg and his family's problems. Same with many things used in all walks of life. It's certainly not the norm or nobody would be healthy enough to farm. All the farmers I know are salt of the earth hard working folks trying to make a living and would not want to be directly responsible for harming anybody.

 

[orkan]

It's certainly not the norm or nobody would be healthy enough to farm. All the farmers I know are salt of the earth hard working folks trying to make a living and would not want to be directly responsible for harming anybody.

I agree. They aren't doing it on purpose... they just don't know and aren't in a hurry to find out. They aren't bad people. They've just been misled. 20 years. That's roughly how long full scale hardcore chemical farming has been going on.

I remember being out coyote hunting, and accidentally wandered across some stubble that just been hit with "something." I made it about 30yds into the stubble field on foot and caught wind of it and the shit basically put me on my knees. Couldn't breathe, eyes burned so bad I couldn't see, etc. When I finally got back out of there, I was spitting and sputtering and trying to hose my face out with water for 30 minutes before I could see straight and get right. I have no clue what the hell it was... but the shit might as well have been mustard gas as it was being cooked off by a powerful sun. Then there's the time I have came across a small lake after a heavy rain... and all the fish are dead. Excess runoff... and it killed the entire lake. Small private lake, sure... but dead as disco none the less.

I'm not going to pretend like I understand. I don't understand these chemicals and what they do to people. However, I have very good reasons to be distrustful of ultra-large international corporations and what our government will allow them to do to us. As I said, I had no desire to have my family be a part of the inevitable eventual statistics... so we just left farm country. Adverse reactions to this stuff is on the rise. There's no debating it. I'll leave the "why" and "how" to someone that is qualified. I'm not qualified to talk about much outside of precision rifles... but this stuff has harmed my family in very personal and very specific ways. It's hard to stay silent about it. I'll leave you all to your discussion.

 

[supercorndogs]

The big change in the numbers of people with autism is actually because of a change in diagnosis. Autism is a disorder, there are no marks, there is no virus or disease. There is no blood test you take to diagnose autism. Autism is a set of behaviors, and today it encompasses a very wide set of behaviors. We see this all time, people want their children diagnosed as autistic, it gets them on an IEP, on an easy route through school, and straight to SSD when they graduate.

IF you look at the history of autism, it was lumped in the schizophrenia in the 60s. Kids today whom are 100% functional but maybe didn't talk until 3 are diagnosed autistic, or older kids sometimes high school age that have functioned as an average student, that wasn't happening even 20 years ago.

I do not think there is any link between glophsate and autism. I do think there is link between bad food and auto immune disorders. I don't think they have met the burden of proof that the bad food is due to our "degraded farm ground." I would imagine it has a lot more to do with generational bad diets. Plus there is a need to turn up the fear on everything today.

Probably the most concerning thing when looking at conventional agriculture is the rate we loose top soil. We can look at ancient farm lands from around the world and see how the plow degraded the soil, until there was nothing left over a couple thousand years.

Dr. Elaine Ingham, Johnson Su bioreactor, Game Brown, Joel Saltin, Charels Dowding, Stefan Sobkowiak if your curious.

 

[Frank Warren]

He is not allergic to gluten. Which is good because he can eat high gluten rice.

Sticky rice / gluteninous rice does not have wheat gluten /protein in it’s makeup

 

[supercorndogs]

I think we were made to eat a lot more fruit and veg than grains. I think soy beans make better fertilizer than food. I think processed and bleached sugar and flour are not good, possibly to the point of being bad{sugar definitely is bad}. I think if they can manage to breed a cereal grain that is a perennial grass instead off an annual grass, it might be a game changer.

Ever see toddler who was given soda in their baby bottle? A 3-4 year old who has had to have all their front teeth pulled out because they were rotten. Very sad. In a big school she would have been diagnosed as autistic. I would venture a guess she wasn't talking at 3 because her teeth were probably causing her excruciating pain. I imagine it was difficult for her to focus through pain. One of her first phrases was "my teeth hurt."

 

[Texasflyer]

I think we were made to eat a lot more fruit and veg than grains. I think soy beans make better fertilizer than food. I think processed and bleached sugar and flour are not good, possibly to the point of being bad{sugar definitely is bad}. I think if they can manage to breed a cereal grain that is a perennial grass instead off an annual grass, it might be a game changer.

Ive always hated cereal... im lactos intolerant... i think, not diagnosed but every now and then i still drink milk and pay for it later. Breakfast was invented by some dudes that didnt want you to play with yourself, around the same time they killed the parlor and made it the living room, and convinced everyone to spend money to landscape their yards. Now cereal is just a sugar delivery system, the living room is a place for people to act like zombies, and your lawn can get you kicked out of your house in some places....

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Yeah, somethin aint right.

 

[supercorndogs]

Ive always hated cereal... im lactos intolerant... i think, not diagnosed but every now and then i still drink milk and pay for it later. Breakfast was invented by some dudes that didnt want you to play with yourself, around the same time they killed the parlor and made it the living room, and convinced everyone to spend money to landscape their yards. Now cereal is just a sugar delivery system, the living room is a place for people to act like zombies, and your lawn can get you kicked out of your house in some places....

Cereal - Wikipedia

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