I believe they still have to be signed by a LEO so you can’t just do your own and send in.
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Nice. That’s good to know. My wife is a cop so we did our own and had one of her partners sign off but maybe next time we’ll just do it and send it in.
I'm completely retarded when it comes to whats what for NFA. Mainly because I don't care about their dumb laws, but anyways.
For a Form1 if I am understanding it right, would both of these qualify:
- Pistol that I already own yet I want to put a stock on as an SBR
- AR15 lower on a 10.5 CQB 'pistol' with a pistol brace on it that I want to put a real stock on as an SBR
Also, whats the difference now between individual and trust? Is it just that you basically have to do the fingerprints and passport photo for both now?
@hunting_fishing_addict
Yes, both of those would apply as you are wanting to change what is essentially a pistol into an SBR.
Unfortunately, the only real difference between a trust and an individual now is that with the trust, anyone that is on there with you can be in possession of Said items with or without you there. So, if something were to happen to you you wouldn’t inadvertently put your family at risk of violating the law since they would most likely be on the trust. There is a grace period anyways but you get where I am going. If you were just an individual then anytime someone wanted to shoot your stuff you’d have to be with them. Make sense? All of my stuff is a mixed bag, some is on trust and some is just me. You still have to do prints and photos now for either....which is utterly stupid. They should be able to keep a trust on file and keep everything under that one folder than having to resubmit everything every time. But it wasn’t created for efficiency, more of a roadblock I imagine.
Is it possible to do a trust but not have family/spouse on it purely because I dont want to get her involved with a background check/have her name attached to it?
Mainly trying to avoid having to engrave my full name on the weapon and instead put a short Trust name on it.
@SilentStalkr
Mainly trying to avoid having to engrave my full name on the weapon and instead put a short Trust name on it.
@SilentStalkr
Absolutely. You can have anyone you want on the trust, just be sure that whoever is on there is more trustworthy than family!
I was wrong about not having to engrave. Going back and looking at my stuff I forgot that I gave it to my cop buddy to engrave on one of their machines. Better to engrave and not need it then the opposite. Basically most info is already there, you just need to engrave your name or the name of the trust, hence why I see the trust as a better option than an individual. If a firearm is engraved and you died and nobody else was on that trust, I assume it would have to be destroyed instead of being able to be passed down to your family. Of course, I have my doubts about how many ATF people will be tracking nfa items down 50 years from now but that’s another story.
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The whole “need to engrave” thing has caused a lot of confusion over the years and I’m sure many arguments along the way. After hearing conflicting information from a dealer and the attorney that wrote my trust I just decided to call the ATF and ask about whether or not I needed to engrave my Form 1 SBR and the short answer was no. The only time you would need to engrave it is if you wanted to sell. All this providing that you “built” it from an already manufactured lower that had all the info on it. If you actually built from an 80% lower or for a suppressor build on form 1 then you need to have your information engraved on it but for me, buying my DD MK18 as a pistol and then form 1’ing it I do not need to add anything else unless I intend to seek it one day.
That’s more or less what I was told to but in saying that, I’d rather have it in the trust and be able to be passed down instead of destroyed, which is why I engraved. I figured this way the family could sell it, I think, if they wanted and get something out of it vs. getting nothing. At least that’s what I remember lol. Been a long time. Either way, didn’t really cost anything to engrave and like I said, I have my doubts the ATF will be looking for these 50 years from now.
Anyone have an estimated wait time for a F1 for a can? Assuming a trust and electronic submit?
Any recommendations on vendors for parts for a F1 can? ....while staying legal.
Any recommendations on vendors for parts for a F1 can? ....while staying legal.
Me too. Not sure what that was all about. Only thing I seen was form 4 stuff not online at the moment...
So what your saying....i can do Form 1s for cans at half the price and time of a form 4 ?
Gents and Gals. Your law abiding citizens. Do not be afraid to do this, it is your legal right. The process is simple and does not require signature from LEO, only information them that your making an approved firearm, and that all markings are to be in compliance with 27 CFR 478.92 and 479.102. Just do it, its worth it. That's what it comes down to.
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I finally received my approved form 1 on a trust back just now. Submitted December 25th. I’m not sure what their hold up was but they didn’t need anything changed or fixed. Just took them a long time.
I do have 6 suppressors sitting in jail on a form 4 trust that might have affected it.
I do have 6 suppressors sitting in jail on a form 4 trust that might have affected it.
5-30-19 Just submitted two form 1 apps. Fd up the first by accidentally putting my trust docs on the firearm page also. Now says pending research....
2nd one I managed to do correctly. We will see what happens.
2nd one I managed to do correctly. We will see what happens.
13 business days for me. Only 7 if you start from when they received my fingerprints
Got my stamp yesterday
Filed 2 on the 22nd. Still waiting on a cover letter to sent. I got a control number on the 24th.
I got 1 cover letter immediately, one a couple days later because I fucked it up a little bit
Mailed prints yesterday, should arrive to them on Friday. Going to send my lower to get engraved Friday when I go to pick up a Form 4 stamp. Any luck, I'll get stamp and receiver at roughly the same time.
I would think so. It switched to in processing on the 25th. Will give it till the end of the week before I call and see if there’s something wrong
Called this morning. Turns out the attachments were in the email I received earlier this week. You just can’t see them on an iPhone. You have to open them on a computer. I tried forwarding them to my wife to have her open and print them but that didn’t work. She had to sign into my email and then open them. Kind of weird but I’ll get them out today.
Did a Form 1 online today and received my coversheet right away. Prints are sent off as well and should be in their mailbox Tue/Wed. I’ll update when it gets approved.
Got approval this week so worked out to 15 calendar days after prints were delivered by USPO.
Got my efile Form 1 approval today. 14 days exactly from date prints were received by ATF. Submitting another one this week with prints I rolled myself on ATF fingerprint cards. We shall see
Sounds like something got lost. You call to make sure they got your prints/cover letter in the mail?
I’ll give them a call tomorrow or Tuesday. Now that I said that, they’ll approve me tomorrow morning or something.
Ok, but can’t you contact ATF and have the stamp “destroyed” by Filing that, say the SBR configuration is no longer being used and the gun is returned to its original configuration?
I called it, got approval this morning. If you’re still waiting just make a post about your wait time and they email your approval right away.
eFiled another Form 1 today. rolled my own fingerprints on ATF fingerprint cards they mailed me and just dropped them in the mail with the cover letter. The wait begins. Form 1 to build a suppressor this time.
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Time may be getting longer. Prints were received on the 28th. That's 18 days as of today.
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We shall see.... prints received July 11th. 5 days in. My June 24th prints received got approval back July 7th..13 days.
I got in on some Form 1 action too. Submitted efforts and mailed prints this week. Couple SBR’s and going to do a 9mm can and a 450 Bushmaster can.
Fingers crossed for quick turnaround... I’m still waiting on Form 4’s from last Fall.
Fingers crossed for quick turnaround... I’m still waiting on Form 4’s from last Fall.
@padom I looked at that website b/c a form 1 interests too. However, if you purchase their complete kit you are at the price of a 22 can, and actually over the price of some less popular cans.
So what would be the logic in going this route over buying a can and going form 4?
I have very little knowledge of all of this, and am just beginning my research to buy one.
Thank you
For me, the quicker approvals was the driver. ~1-2 months versus 10-12+ is a no brainer. Plus I am looking forward to the projects.
For a centerfire can, assembling components or a kit from companies like Diversified Machine, Totality Infustries, Super Precision Concepts - is cheaper comparably to an off the shelf can that you Form 4 and wait a year for. But it depends on the specifics of what you’re doing I guess.
For a centerfire can, assembling components or a kit from companies like Diversified Machine, Totality Infustries, Super Precision Concepts - is cheaper comparably to an off the shelf can that you Form 4 and wait a year for. But it depends on the specifics of what you’re doing I guess.
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