2 form 4’s both on trusts
Silencer shop kiosk
Mailed 8/29/21
Approved 1/28/22
Picked up on 2/15/22
Silencer shop kiosk
Mailed 8/29/21
Approved 1/28/22
Picked up on 2/15/22
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For you with a 5/24 cash date? No... Not for at least another 2 months, IMO. But it never hurts to call at least once and make sure it's still "Pending" and that everything is fine with your Form-4.
I have no idea. I had 4 items that were in my name on a form 4 that I moved to my kids trust. All those forms showed up in my mailbox 4 days before my dealer called me on the 2 supressors. I don’t know if that had anything to do with it.
All 6 of the forms were signed by the same examiner.
And yet, I'm almost 11 months in on 2 Sandman-S cans, and already been approved for 3 other cans between middle of 2021 and Jan 2022... It's like, folks...I've already passed your background check 3 times in less than a year...What's taking so damn long?
I finally got my micro30 today after just over a year! Already planning my next.
Question though, if I purchase a suppressor from a smaller shop online and they transfer to my local FFL that has a silencer shop kiosk, can I do the rest of the process on the kiosk? Or is there any way I can do the new efile that they’re claiming is going to take only 3 months?
Question though, if I purchase a suppressor from a smaller shop online and they transfer to my local FFL that has a silencer shop kiosk, can I do the rest of the process on the kiosk? Or is there any way I can do the new efile that they’re claiming is going to take only 3 months?
Yes, you can purchase, and then have them send it to your local SOT. But your local SOT will have to email/fax a copy of their FFL/SOT (if it's not already on file with the online store) to the online dealer before they can Form 3 it to them. Then once it arrives at your local dealer, then you go in and do your SS paperwork on the kiosk from there.
From a Dealer's point of view - this E-file is a MESS.
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Sometimes I can get in... sometimes I can't. Trust submissions now require coordination so that the dealer and the customer are both signed in at the same time which I cannot make happen.
They took a broken system and broke it. I've still got submissions for customers that are 13 months in the pipeline and we are both wondering how their clearances fit in with the ones who will now only take 90 days max.
Starting to see submissions come back -- "RETURN WITHOUT ACTION - Open FBI File". Never seen that before. Guy has a Secret Clearance for GodsSake...
Mess...
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Sometimes I can get in... sometimes I can't. Trust submissions now require coordination so that the dealer and the customer are both signed in at the same time which I cannot make happen.
They took a broken system and broke it. I've still got submissions for customers that are 13 months in the pipeline and we are both wondering how their clearances fit in with the ones who will now only take 90 days max.
Starting to see submissions come back -- "RETURN WITHOUT ACTION - Open FBI File". Never seen that before. Guy has a Secret Clearance for GodsSake...
Mess...
It’s such BS. I too held security clearances in both mil and as a contractor but those extensive background checks are absolutely not considered in favor of some low level FBI civil servant doing a fucking computer database check on you.
My good friend has way higher clearances than I did, also mil and civ, and it also makes no difference.
Utter horse shit.
You are completely correct. We have had dozens of customers since the e-file went live struggle with it in some way, proceed to take their anger out on us, demand a refund, and have taken business elsewhere. While on the dealer end it takes hours or usually days to hear back from either ATF or SilencerShop dealer sales to help resolve issues because everything is for the most part automated....
We have got a couple back "RETURN WITHOUT ACTION" and 1 denial, which is kinda funny because they are all current CCW permit holders, retired LE or MIL, and don't even has a much as a speeding ticket....
Form: 4 paper through SS
Entity: NFA Trust
Pending: 3/10/21
Approved: 2/21/2022
Standardized wait: 348
Stamp at dealer: 3/3/22
Total time: 13 months after purchase
State: Tx
My approval was delayed a month due to an error on my form 4. I have an additional can pending 10/15/2021, no batch approval.
Entity: NFA Trust
Pending: 3/10/21
Approved: 2/21/2022
Standardized wait: 348
Stamp at dealer: 3/3/22
Total time: 13 months after purchase
State: Tx
My approval was delayed a month due to an error on my form 4. I have an additional can pending 10/15/2021, no batch approval.
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FFS...is there any type of appeal process or ability to get access to why no action so they can clear it up...whatever the fuck those assholes in ATF/FBI think is out there?
Bushwacker 46 Gen 2
Purchased February 16, 2021
Check Cashed March 10, 2021
Approved January 18, 2022
Stamp at Dealer February 1, 2022
Picked up February 5, 2022
3 more sitting at the dealer waiting with a 4th in E-Forms limbo as my dealer can't get anything to work on the E-File system. The dealer is more frustrated and angrier about the cluster of E-File than I am. He said if he can't get it processed to the next step by March 15th he will pay the $200 tax stamp fee towards my next suppressor.
Purchased February 16, 2021
Check Cashed March 10, 2021
Approved January 18, 2022
Stamp at Dealer February 1, 2022
Picked up February 5, 2022
3 more sitting at the dealer waiting with a 4th in E-Forms limbo as my dealer can't get anything to work on the E-File system. The dealer is more frustrated and angrier about the cluster of E-File than I am. He said if he can't get it processed to the next step by March 15th he will pay the $200 tax stamp fee towards my next suppressor.
I had a buddy do it that was PCSing overseas. It took a letter and a copy of his orders showing a need to be expedited. There has to be a reason to expedite it for military service, or they won't do it.
So now I have to join the military? Man this supressor business is getting out of hand.
All you have to do is join and catch one of the upcoming trips to the com bloc to get your supressors expedited.
Finally picked up my dominus k sr
Form 4 trust filed by SilencerShop
Check cashed 11MAR2021
Approved 21JAN2022
Sucks that I gotta send it in to tbac to be inspected as it is within the serial number range they sent out a few months ago.
Form 4 trust filed by SilencerShop
Check cashed 11MAR2021
Approved 21JAN2022
Sucks that I gotta send it in to tbac to be inspected as it is within the serial number range they sent out a few months ago.
I just picked mine up yesterday. I don't remember the exact day, but it was early February 2021 when I purchased it through Silencer Shop and they efiled it for me.
It was a Surefire Socom II and I purchased 2-12-21. I can't find the date the check was cashed and I have no idea when it was actually approved. The 2 cans I bought November 2020 (dead air sandman L and a silencerco sparrow) took roughly 10 months iirc. Hope that helps. I just figured it was going to take forever and I tried not to think about it too much. It gets frustrating though.
I am at about 330 days on a TBAC ultra 7. I got my last one in about 5 months...
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Yup... been pretty quiet around this thread. I'm at 336 days. The SOT is saying 12-14mo. Called the ATF again and I'm still pending. Not sure if they tell you if it's been assigned to an examiner or not. Sucks because we had been seeing mid March cash dates and I'm march 29th..
I'm waiting to see (hopefully soon) the efiles come back. Especially the early ones. Rumor of the 29 day one, that would be very nice.
I haven't done one yet. I'm enjoying my Nomad-L but next can is for PCC mainly. Fingers crossed that the 90 days is the new norm.
I had a short break at work this morning so, after 11 months, I finally broke down and called the ATF for an update. I knew I was needlessly torturing myself, but reassured that my call was important to them I settled in to listen to some hold music. Less than 30 seconds later my cell phone rang. It was my dealer calling to tell me he had my stamp. I should have called 6 months ago…
FWIW it was a form 4 individual via SilencerShop, check cashed 3/23/21. 3 weeks shy of a year.
FWIW it was a form 4 individual via SilencerShop, check cashed 3/23/21. 3 weeks shy of a year.
5/6 cans from March last year have cleared and I have picked up.
still to go: 1 check cashed MAR, (FFL had to make correction) and 1 check cashed APR.
hopefully sometime in March this year, last two will make it our of purgatory.
still to go: 1 check cashed MAR, (FFL had to make correction) and 1 check cashed APR.
hopefully sometime in March this year, last two will make it our of purgatory.
State : Louisiana
Check cashed: 4-1-21
Stamp Approved: 2-28-22
Arrived at dealer: Waiting
Called this morning and was told it was approved yesterday. Almost exactly 11 months.
Now I just have to wait for the stamp to arrive so I can take it home.
Surefire Socom SB2 in 5.56
Check cashed: 4-1-21
Stamp Approved: 2-28-22
Arrived at dealer: Waiting
Called this morning and was told it was approved yesterday. Almost exactly 11 months.
Now I just have to wait for the stamp to arrive so I can take it home.
Surefire Socom SB2 in 5.56
Have been faithfully albeit painfully practicing the submit it and forget it.
Decided to call today. First time.
23 minute wait time.
Gentleman answering the phone was polite and friendly.
DeadAir Nomad L
TBAC 22L1
Form 4 individual paper through local SOT
Purchased 4/30/21
Submitted 5/3/21
ATF received 5/11/21
Check cashed 5/12/21
Both Pending 3/1/22
Asked about "assigned to an examiner" and he said that information was not on his screen.
Hope we are in the home stretch as I have a couple coyotes hangin' around the cows patiently waiting for me to try them out...............hate to disappoint the song dogs
Decided to call today. First time.
23 minute wait time.
Gentleman answering the phone was polite and friendly.
DeadAir Nomad L
TBAC 22L1
Form 4 individual paper through local SOT
Purchased 4/30/21
Submitted 5/3/21
ATF received 5/11/21
Check cashed 5/12/21
Both Pending 3/1/22
Asked about "assigned to an examiner" and he said that information was not on his screen.
Hope we are in the home stretch as I have a couple coyotes hangin' around the cows patiently waiting for me to try them out...............hate to disappoint the song dogs
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Rugged Obsidian 45
Purchased through SilencerShop - 2/5/2021
Check cashed 4/30/2021
Pending
Decided to call today, still pending. The nice lady on the phone said based on the date they received it she thought sometime in April. Absolutely insane, a full year tied up in the government bureaucracy. 14 months from the date of purchase.
Purchased through SilencerShop - 2/5/2021
Check cashed 4/30/2021
Pending
Decided to call today, still pending. The nice lady on the phone said based on the date they received it she thought sometime in April. Absolutely insane, a full year tied up in the government bureaucracy. 14 months from the date of purchase.
Form 4 Trust (1 Responsible Person)
State: Indiana
Rugged Oculus 22
Purchased: 3/26/2021
Check Cashed: 4/8/2021
Approval: 2/27/2022
Received: TBD
Rugged Obsidian 45
Purchased: 3/26/2021
Check Cashed: 4/6/2021
Approval: 2/27/2022
Received: TBD
YHM Resonator R2
Purchased: 3/26/2021
Check Cashed: 4/6/2012
Approval: 2/27/2022
Received: TBD
State: Indiana
Rugged Oculus 22
Purchased: 3/26/2021
Check Cashed: 4/8/2021
Approval: 2/27/2022
Received: TBD
Rugged Obsidian 45
Purchased: 3/26/2021
Check Cashed: 4/6/2021
Approval: 2/27/2022
Received: TBD
YHM Resonator R2
Purchased: 3/26/2021
Check Cashed: 4/6/2012
Approval: 2/27/2022
Received: TBD
Just got word me 30 cal hearing protection device has been approved... after about 13 months.
In the words of today's brunch crowd... "YAAAASSSSSS!!!!"
In the words of today's brunch crowd... "YAAAASSSSSS!!!!"
Order Placed - February 24, 2021
Check cashed - March 9, 2021
ATF Approval - January 13, 2022
In my hands - March 1, 2022
Still have another suppressor purchased November 2021 that is supposed to go through eForms that is in complete limbo due to my FFL/SOT moving and the ATF giving him crap.
Order placed Feb 2, 2022
Registration completed, information reviewed by Silencer Shop, Documents require signature 4 Feb, 2022
Ready to certify 23 Feb, 2022*
Check cashed 25 Feb, 2022
*still haven't gotten through the "certify" process, the website keeps timing out. Called the LGS this morning (closed Sun-Mon), to see if I could come in and finish the "certification" process, since the check was "cashed", still hangs up on the same page. Voicemail and email (by LGS) sent to Silencer Shop last Friday (25 Feb, 2022), haven't heard back...
Registration completed, information reviewed by Silencer Shop, Documents require signature 4 Feb, 2022
Ready to certify 23 Feb, 2022*
Check cashed 25 Feb, 2022
*still haven't gotten through the "certify" process, the website keeps timing out. Called the LGS this morning (closed Sun-Mon), to see if I could come in and finish the "certification" process, since the check was "cashed", still hangs up on the same page. Voicemail and email (by LGS) sent to Silencer Shop last Friday (25 Feb, 2022), haven't heard back...
TBAC Dominus
Cashed 03/29/2021
Approved 02/27/2022
State: Colorado
Woot! Woot! First can!
Cashed 03/29/2021
Approved 02/27/2022
State: Colorado
Woot! Woot! First can!
I was going to call the NFA division again today to check if any progress was made. I picked up my phone and there’s a text from my guy at the FFL, “your paperwork came back, come pick up your suppressor.”
Check cashed 3/11/21
Arrived at dealer 3/2/22
Picking up my sandman-s tomorrow.
Check cashed 3/11/21
Arrived at dealer 3/2/22
Picking up my sandman-s tomorrow.
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Just checked on my 1st of the last 2 (currently) pending Form 4's... Both Sandman-S cans. Instantly got through, and no wait time, and the lady was nice.
The first one was cashed on 4/12/21... She says it's still pending, and has NOT yet been assigned to an examiner...Which sucks. So she said to try back closer to the end of the month, and that they're seeing 11-12 months average right now for the time frame from when my cash date was.
As soon as my new Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen L & S cans make it to my local SOT, then I'll be trying out these new eForm 4's, and seeing how fast those are...Hoping for 90 or less. Luckily, they're a range, so I get to use them while waiting. He's waiting on the eForm-3 to get approved now so he can transfer them to my dealer.
The first one was cashed on 4/12/21... She says it's still pending, and has NOT yet been assigned to an examiner...Which sucks. So she said to try back closer to the end of the month, and that they're seeing 11-12 months average right now for the time frame from when my cash date was.
As soon as my new Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen L & S cans make it to my local SOT, then I'll be trying out these new eForm 4's, and seeing how fast those are...Hoping for 90 or less. Luckily, they're a range, so I get to use them while waiting. He's waiting on the eForm-3 to get approved now so he can transfer them to my dealer.
Check cashed 3/17/2021
Approved 02/10/2022
Stamp at dealer 03/03/2022
I had called to check on the progress of this suppressor on 02/18/2022 and they told me that it was still pending and hadn't been assigned so I assumed I had at least a couple more months. I was surprised when I got the call the my paper work was in and when I went to pick it up I noticed that the approval date was 8 days before I had called. Kinda makes me wonder if they actually check or if the standard answer is just to say it's pending
Approved 02/10/2022
Stamp at dealer 03/03/2022
I had called to check on the progress of this suppressor on 02/18/2022 and they told me that it was still pending and hadn't been assigned so I assumed I had at least a couple more months. I was surprised when I got the call the my paper work was in and when I went to pick it up I noticed that the approval date was 8 days before I had called. Kinda makes me wonder if they actually check or if the standard answer is just to say it's pending
Batch approval! Now that I don't have any cans in jail WTF am I going to complain about?
Form 4 - YHM Resonator K
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 3/18/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 343 days
State: NC
Form 4 - Griffin GP5
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 4/9/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 321 days
State: NC
Form 4 - Dead Air Sandman K
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 6/2/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 267 days
State: NC
Form 4 - Rugged Oculus
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 9/8/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 169 days
State: NC
Form 4 - YHM Resonator K
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 3/18/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 343 days
State: NC
Form 4 - Griffin GP5
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 4/9/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 321 days
State: NC
Form 4 - Dead Air Sandman K
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 6/2/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 267 days
State: NC
Form 4 - Rugged Oculus
Trust (2 RP)
Pending: 9/8/21
Approved: 2/23/22
Standardized wait: 169 days
State: NC
I'm just impressed that the norm is 1 - 2 weeks slower than the slowest USPS option.
It's because ATF sends out the approvals in batches, it doesn't get mailed as soon as it's approved so wherever your approval falls between mailings will control how long you have to wait, I was lucky enough to have mine approved right before a batch shipment.
Mine was approved 2-28-22. Since you got yours and I haven’t maybe I just missed a batch mailing
Highly possible, they might've mailed the batch out Monday morning and yours got approved during the day?Mine was approved 2-28-22. Since you got yours and I haven’t maybe I just missed a batch mailing
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